Boycott Vista

If the Corporate Monsters who run Microsoft are going to fill Vista full of
spyware we should not support this as a whole. The so called EULA is
disturbing. I will not support it. My family will not as well. We are real
people. Not a souless, corporate entity that does not think or feel like
Microsoft. The Eula essentially means if I 'purchase a licsence' I can only
install it twice. So, if my PC dies twice, this means I have to purchase a
new copy of vista? Not happening. I will go to Linux I swear. What the
pinheads at Microsoft are not getting, is that anyone who purchases a Vista
License should only be able to use it on one PC at a time. A unique hardware
key is assigned. If it is installed on a new PC the old ID should be
cancelled in the system. Why not make people login to a site and actually
activate the new key themselves, with their unique login. There is a program
called Alcohol 120% that does this. The install is only good for one PC.
If I choose to reinstall 100 times, as long as it is one PC it should be my
decision. As of this writing I am urging everyone to not buy or support
Windows vista. Let Microsoft know how we feel about their unfriendly,
unwholesome, business practices.

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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Jon Acord wrote:
> If the Corporate Monsters who run Microsoft are going to fill Vista full of
> spyware we should not support this as a whole. The so called EULA is
> disturbing. I will not support it. My family will not as well. We are real
> people. Not a souless, corporate entity that does not think or feel like
> Microsoft. The Eula essentially means if I 'purchase a licsence' I can only
> install it twice. So, if my PC dies twice, this means I have to purchase a
> new copy of vista? Not happening. I will go to Linux I swear. What the
> pinheads at Microsoft are not getting, is that anyone who purchases a Vista
> License should only be able to use it on one PC at a time. A unique hardware
> key is assigned. If it is installed on a new PC the old ID should be
> cancelled in the system. Why not make people login to a site and actually
> activate the new key themselves, with their unique login. There is a program
> called Alcohol 120% that does this. The install is only good for one PC.
> If I choose to reinstall 100 times, as long as it is one PC it should be my
> decision. As of this writing I am urging everyone to not buy or support
> Windows vista. Let Microsoft know how we feel about their unfriendly,
> unwholesome, business practices.

Microsoft interprets their EULA for Windows XP as
only allowing one transfer also.

Steve

No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.

I suggest you move to Linux today. You'll need the head start, because it
will take you and your family about 4 years to get up to speed on Linux.
Your children can teach you how to compile the kernel and its updates. They
can scout around for all the drivers for you, because you don't have time.
Your wife can teach you the command line interface, so you can get it to do
anything you want. You can teach them how to type all the various commands
for building up the IP stack and enabling the IP firewall config files. All
of you can work together to scout all the various web sites in order to
discover the dozens of security patches that you will need to find each
year - and then you can all work together to learn how to install them.
Then you can PURCHASE technical support contracts from Red Hat or IBM,
because there's so little open discussion on the Internet about how a LAYMAN
can maintain his or her own system, and because so much of what is out there
is written way over your head.

And don't count on any of your friends for support, because none of them has
ever even seen Linux. They don't even know how to pronounce it. And don't
call your ISP for support or setup of your Internet connection or your email
application, because they don't support any of the Linux desktop UIs.

And while you're learning how to install and configure Linux, accumulate all
that free (and highly reliable) software, and install and configure it all,
the next Windows operating system will have been released by Microsoft, and
the rest of the world will have moved on. And, we, the mindless sheep, will
finally be under total mind control by Microsoft, and Bill Gates will use us
all to finally achieve his life's ambition of making us all play solitaire
for the rest of our hopeless lives.

Those are your only options. Good luck.

-- Dave

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:0705D8BF-495F-4F4A-ADC8-6C83E6BB2164@microsoft.com...
> If the Corporate Monsters who run Microsoft are going to fill Vista full
> of
> spyware we should not support this as a whole. The so called EULA is
> disturbing. I will not support it. My family will not as well. We are
> real
> people. Not a souless, corporate entity that does not think or feel like
> Microsoft. The Eula essentially means if I 'purchase a licsence' I can
> only
> install it twice. So, if my PC dies twice, this means I have to purchase
> a
> new copy of vista? Not happening. I will go to Linux I swear. What the
> pinheads at Microsoft are not getting, is that anyone who purchases a
> Vista
> License should only be able to use it on one PC at a time. A unique
> hardware
> key is assigned. If it is installed on a new PC the old ID should be
> cancelled in the system. Why not make people login to a site and actually
> activate the new key themselves, with their unique login. There is a
> program
> called Alcohol 120% that does this. The install is only good for one PC.
> If I choose to reinstall 100 times, as long as it is one PC it should be
> my
> decision. As of this writing I am urging everyone to not buy or support
> Windows vista. Let Microsoft know how we feel about their unfriendly,
> unwholesome, business practices.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Dave Burns wrote:
> No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.

False. From
http://news.com.com/Week+in+review+V...3-6127838.html :

"Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies
of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only
once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have
to buy a new copy of the operating system. In the past, those who bought
a retail copy of Windows needed to uninstall it before moving it to
another machine, but there was no limit to how many times this could be
done."

Snip drivel.

Alias

Those of us who use the OS to operate a functional computer system in order
to produce a constant flow of input and output from our computers do not
install our operating systems over and over on a multitude of PCs over a few
(3-5) years' time. We install it once and then use it until we replace the
computer (this is the vast majority or home and business users who represent
Microsoft's target market).

Those of us who test and install multiple times usually use the eval. or the
TechNet licenses, so that we don't worry about this issue. We are generally
well supported by newsgroups like this one, by all kinds of tech sites, by
Microsoft itself, etc.

Those of us who don't know what the hell we're doing technically and just
like loading and reloading Windows as a steady habit (and pretend we're
techies), onto all kinds of cheapo, off-brand hardware (and think of
ourselves as enthusiasts) are such an infinitesimally small grumbling group
that Microsoft probably doesn't give a damn what we think.

So flame on . . .

-- Dave


"Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
news:ezsPJCQ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Dave Burns wrote:
>> No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.
>
> False. From
> http://news.com.com/Week+in+review+V...3-6127838.html :
>
> "Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies of
> Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only once.
> If they want to move their software a second time, they will have to buy a
> new copy of the operating system. In the past, those who bought a retail
> copy of Windows needed to uninstall it before moving it to another
> machine, but there was no limit to how many times this could be done."
>
> Snip drivel.
>
> Alias

The XP retail EULA does not say that. The retail version in effect allows
unlimited transfers provided the OS is only on one machine at a time.
Microsoft have never interpreted it as one transfer as I have replaced my
motherboard and other components many times over the last few years with no
problems over activation.
Microsoft are only now saying that that they meant one transfer for XP since
the concern raised over the facct that "one transfer" is actually written
into the newly published EULA for Vista. They are simply indulging in "spin"
in an attempt to get them out of a hole.
Alan

"Steve de Mena" <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote in message
news:LEl_g.10183$8C4.6968@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> Jon Acord wrote:
>> If the Corporate Monsters who run Microsoft are going to fill Vista full
>> of spyware we should not support this as a whole. The so called EULA is
>> disturbing. I will not support it. My family will not as well. We are
>> real people. Not a souless, corporate entity that does not think or feel
>> like Microsoft. The Eula essentially means if I 'purchase a licsence' I
>> can only install it twice. So, if my PC dies twice, this means I have to
>> purchase a new copy of vista? Not happening. I will go to Linux I
>> swear. What the pinheads at Microsoft are not getting, is that anyone
>> who purchases a Vista License should only be able to use it on one PC at
>> a time. A unique hardware key is assigned. If it is installed on a new
>> PC the old ID should be cancelled in the system. Why not make people
>> login to a site and actually activate the new key themselves, with their
>> unique login. There is a program called Alcohol 120% that does this.
>> The install is only good for one PC. If I choose to reinstall 100
>> times, as long as it is one PC it should be my decision. As of this
>> writing I am urging everyone to not buy or support Windows vista. Let
>> Microsoft know how we feel about their unfriendly, unwholesome, business
>> practices.
>
> Microsoft interprets their EULA for Windows XP as only allowing one
> transfer also.
>
> Steve

Dave Burns wrote:
> Those of us who use the OS to operate a functional computer system in
> order to produce a constant flow of input and output from our computers
> do not install our operating systems over and over on a multitude of PCs
> over a few (3-5) years' time. We install it once and then use it until
> we replace the computer (this is the vast majority or home and business
> users who represent Microsoft's target market).
>
> Those of us who test and install multiple times usually use the eval. or
> the TechNet licenses, so that we don't worry about this issue. We are
> generally well supported by newsgroups like this one, by all kinds of
> tech sites, by Microsoft itself, etc.
>
> Those of us who don't know what the hell we're doing technically and
> just like loading and reloading Windows as a steady habit (and pretend
> we're techies), onto all kinds of cheapo, off-brand hardware (and think
> of ourselves as enthusiasts) are such an infinitesimally small grumbling
> group that Microsoft probably doesn't give a damn what we think.
>
> So flame on . . .
>
> -- Dave

You're changing the subject and being supercilious. The people you say
MS doesn't "target" are the same people who beta test their products.
Upgrading a computer is normal and there's nothing wrong or illegal
about it.

Alias
>
>
> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
> news:ezsPJCQ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Dave Burns wrote:
>>> No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.
>>
>> False. From
>> http://news.com.com/Week+in+review+V...3-6127838.html :
>>
>> "Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies
>> of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only
>> once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will
>> have to buy a new copy of the operating system. In the past, those who
>> bought a retail copy of Windows needed to uninstall it before moving
>> it to another machine, but there was no limit to how many times this
>> could be done."
>>
>> Snip drivel.
>>
>> Alias
>

Here's a hypothetical, I have Vista installed on PC 1. I then upgrade my
computer, (M/B, CPU, HDD, and RAM) which makes it PC 2. PC 2 gets stolen. I
then build a replacement PC, which makes it PC 3. I still have a valid Vista
licence, but I'm not allowed to use it, I must buy another licence.



I suppose that seems fair, considering I am the wealthy individual that I
am.



stevek



"Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
news:ukqNeOQ9GHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Dave Burns wrote:
>> Those of us who use the OS to operate a functional computer system in
>> order to produce a constant flow of input and output from our computers
>> do not install our operating systems over and over on a multitude of PCs
>> over a few (3-5) years' time. We install it once and then use it until
>> we replace the computer (this is the vast majority or home and business
>> users who represent Microsoft's target market).
>>
>> Those of us who test and install multiple times usually use the eval. or
>> the TechNet licenses, so that we don't worry about this issue. We are
>> generally well supported by newsgroups like this one, by all kinds of
>> tech sites, by Microsoft itself, etc.
>>
>> Those of us who don't know what the hell we're doing technically and just
>> like loading and reloading Windows as a steady habit (and pretend we're
>> techies), onto all kinds of cheapo, off-brand hardware (and think of
>> ourselves as enthusiasts) are such an infinitesimally small grumbling
>> group that Microsoft probably doesn't give a damn what we think.
>>
>> So flame on . . .
>>
>> -- Dave
>
> You're changing the subject and being supercilious. The people you say MS
> doesn't "target" are the same people who beta test their products.
> Upgrading a computer is normal and there's nothing wrong or illegal about
> it.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
>> news:ezsPJCQ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Dave Burns wrote:
>>>> No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.
>>>
>>> False. From
>>> http://news.com.com/Week+in+review+V...3-6127838.html
>>> :
>>>
>>> "Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies
>>> of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only
>>> once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have
>>> to buy a new copy of the operating system. In the past, those who bought
>>> a retail copy of Windows needed to uninstall it before moving it to
>>> another machine, but there was no limit to how many times this could be
>>> done."
>>>
>>> Snip drivel.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>

Upgrading a computer does not qualify as a transfer of the license. Please
read the EULA more carefully.

Most of the people in this newsgroup are not sufficiently technically
sophisticated enough to be taken by Microsoft as serious beta testers.
Simply figuring out how to get a beta copy of Windows Vista does not make
one a beta tester. One may be a self-proclaimed enthusiast - meaning you
like to install and re-install and tinker around with Windows. But the
complaints about how many times people need to reinstall Windows over the
course of a few years' time is really about an inability to troubleshoot
problems - so you reload Windows.

Re-installing your operating system on a computer with a new mobo is not a
transfer of the license. The guys who make the most wild-eyed ravings about
Microsoft the totalitarian world dominator don't know how to read and
interpret the EULA (most of them haven't even read the EULA - they just like
imagining horrible things and ranting in public), leave alone understanding
what a beta test program is or how to setup, prepare for, and respond to a
beta test. Those people are tinkerers and curiosity seekers.

Re-read the posts in this newsgroup. Tinkerers and curiosity seekers.

-- Dave


"Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
news:ukqNeOQ9GHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Dave Burns wrote:
>> Those of us who use the OS to operate a functional computer system in
>> order to produce a constant flow of input and output from our computers
>> do not install our operating systems over and over on a multitude of PCs
>> over a few (3-5) years' time. We install it once and then use it until
>> we replace the computer (this is the vast majority or home and business
>> users who represent Microsoft's target market).
>>
>> Those of us who test and install multiple times usually use the eval. or
>> the TechNet licenses, so that we don't worry about this issue. We are
>> generally well supported by newsgroups like this one, by all kinds of
>> tech sites, by Microsoft itself, etc.
>>
>> Those of us who don't know what the hell we're doing technically and just
>> like loading and reloading Windows as a steady habit (and pretend we're
>> techies), onto all kinds of cheapo, off-brand hardware (and think of
>> ourselves as enthusiasts) are such an infinitesimally small grumbling
>> group that Microsoft probably doesn't give a damn what we think.
>>
>> So flame on . . .
>>
>> -- Dave
>
> You're changing the subject and being supercilious. The people you say MS
> doesn't "target" are the same people who beta test their products.
> Upgrading a computer is normal and there's nothing wrong or illegal about
> it.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
>> news:ezsPJCQ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Dave Burns wrote:
>>>> No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.
>>>
>>> False. From
>>> http://news.com.com/Week+in+review+V...3-6127838.html
>>> :
>>>
>>> "Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies
>>> of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only
>>> once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have
>>> to buy a new copy of the operating system. In the past, those who bought
>>> a retail copy of Windows needed to uninstall it before moving it to
>>> another machine, but there was no limit to how many times this could be
>>> done."
>>>
>>> Snip drivel.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>

What you would do is call the Microsoft clearinghouse and explain your
circumstance to the operator, who would help you activate your license.
Total time < 10 min.

I've had to do it twice, with Win2K and with Office XP. It's quick and
easy. That procedure's essentially the same for Vista.

-- Dave


"Steve" <noodle59@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23iknDmQ9GHA.4012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Here's a hypothetical, I have Vista installed on PC 1. I then upgrade my
> computer, (M/B, CPU, HDD, and RAM) which makes it PC 2. PC 2 gets stolen.
> I then build a replacement PC, which makes it PC 3. I still have a valid
> Vista licence, but I'm not allowed to use it, I must buy another licence.
>
>
>
> I suppose that seems fair, considering I am the wealthy individual that I
> am.
>
>
>
> stevek
>
>
>
> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
> news:ukqNeOQ9GHA.4964@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Dave Burns wrote:
>>> Those of us who use the OS to operate a functional computer system in
>>> order to produce a constant flow of input and output from our computers
>>> do not install our operating systems over and over on a multitude of PCs
>>> over a few (3-5) years' time. We install it once and then use it until
>>> we replace the computer (this is the vast majority or home and business
>>> users who represent Microsoft's target market).
>>>
>>> Those of us who test and install multiple times usually use the eval. or
>>> the TechNet licenses, so that we don't worry about this issue. We are
>>> generally well supported by newsgroups like this one, by all kinds of
>>> tech sites, by Microsoft itself, etc.
>>>
>>> Those of us who don't know what the hell we're doing technically and
>>> just like loading and reloading Windows as a steady habit (and pretend
>>> we're techies), onto all kinds of cheapo, off-brand hardware (and think
>>> of ourselves as enthusiasts) are such an infinitesimally small grumbling
>>> group that Microsoft probably doesn't give a damn what we think.
>>>
>>> So flame on . . .
>>>
>>> -- Dave
>>
>> You're changing the subject and being supercilious. The people you say MS
>> doesn't "target" are the same people who beta test their products.
>> Upgrading a computer is normal and there's nothing wrong or illegal about
>> it.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias~-" <notever@aolhell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ezsPJCQ9GHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Dave Burns wrote:
>>>>> No big changes in the EULA since XP Jon.
>>>>
>>>> False. From
>>>> http://news.com.com/Week+in+review+V...3-6127838.html
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> "Under changes to Microsoft's licensing terms, buyers of retail copies
>>>> of Vista will be able to transfer their software to a new machine only
>>>> once. If they want to move their software a second time, they will have
>>>> to buy a new copy of the operating system. In the past, those who
>>>> bought a retail copy of Windows needed to uninstall it before moving it
>>>> to another machine, but there was no limit to how many times this could
>>>> be done."
>>>>
>>>> Snip drivel.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>
>