Vista - Microsoft Changes Vista Transfer License

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
&subj=news

Todd VanDenHul wrote:
> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
> &subj=news

One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)

They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
:-)

Jeff

If your copy of Vista is genuine, how does SPP hurt you?

"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:ONfzefr$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Todd VanDenHul wrote:
>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
>> &subj=news
>
> One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)
>
> They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
> :-)
>
> Jeff

Well, I have a genuine version of Windows XP. Even the support
person told me that, after I read him the info off of the CD. However,
he still charged me $30.00 to keep Windows Update from rejecting
me. You see, if you have a problem, the only way to resolve it is to
pay for a support call, and the money is non-refundable. With XP
it only refused to allow me to get updates. With Vista it will turn your
operating system off, and you will be left with an inaimate lump of
coal, instead of a usable computer. So, it can hurt you big time.

-- Larry Maturo


"M. Murcek" <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:Of7iUmr$GHA.4604@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> If your copy of Vista is genuine, how does SPP hurt you?
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:ONfzefr$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Todd VanDenHul wrote:
>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
>>> &subj=news
>>
>> One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)
>>
>> They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
>> :-)
>>
>> Jeff
>
>

On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:00:49 -0000, M. Murcek
<mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> If your copy of Vista is genuine, how does SPP hurt you?
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:ONfzefr$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Todd VanDenHul wrote:
>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
>>> &subj=news
>>
>> One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)
>>
>> They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
>> :-)
>>
>> Jeff
>
>


Indeed, the ONLY people with something to fear from SPP (Software
Protection Platform) are software pirates...

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Re: "Indeed, the ONLY people with something to fear from SPP (Software
Protection Platform) are software pirates..."

That's the way that it should be, but not the way that it is,
unfortunately. There are quite a few documented cases in which a
legitimate copy of Windows, a copy that was previously activated
successfully, subsequenly failed a WGA test when no hardware changes has
been made. Apparently it's several percent of the WGA failures, which,
while small in relative terms, is millions or tens of millions of incidents.


Mark Gillespie wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:00:49 -0000, M. Murcek
> <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> If your copy of Vista is genuine, how does SPP hurt you?
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:ONfzefr$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Todd VanDenHul wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
>>>> &subj=news
>>>
>>>
>>> One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)
>>>
>>> They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Jeff
>
> Indeed, the ONLY people with something to fear from SPP (Software
> Protection Platform) are software pirates...
>

Barry Watzman wrote:
> Re: "Indeed, the ONLY people with something to fear from SPP (Software
> Protection Platform) are software pirates..."
>
> That's the way that it should be, but not the way that it is,
> unfortunately. There are quite a few documented cases in which a
> legitimate copy of Windows, a copy that was previously activated
> successfully, subsequenly failed a WGA test when no hardware changes has
> been made. Apparently it's several percent of the WGA failures, which,
> while small in relative terms, is millions or tens of millions of
> incidents.
>
>
> Mark Gillespie wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:00:49 -0000, M. Murcek
>> <mamurcekjr@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If your copy of Vista is genuine, how does SPP hurt you?
>>>
>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:ONfzefr$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Todd VanDenHul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
>>>>> &subj=news
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)
>>>>
>>>> They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>
>> Indeed, the ONLY people with something to fear from SPP (Software
>> Protection Platform) are software pirates...
>>
Yup,
Privacy issues; and kill switches aside.
God forbid it falsely invalidates your pc;especially if it's something
critical to you.

Jeff

Larry

You do not have to pay for support for any WGA issues and Microsoft has no way to "shut down" your computer. They can only prevent you from accessing online services such as Windows Update or other services that require a valid copy of Windows.

If you have any validation issues, go to the free Microsoft WGA forums. They are staffed by Microsoft PSS people and will take care of any false validation issues. If they determine that you have a high quality, illegal CD, they will even arrange to replace it with a genuine replacement CD and product key, free of charge.

Speak to us at Microsoft!:
http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/default.aspx


--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"Larry Maturo" <lmaturo@imceda.com> wrote in message news:ORv0bsr$GHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Well, I have a genuine version of Windows XP. Even the support
> person told me that, after I read him the info off of the CD. However,
> he still charged me $30.00 to keep Windows Update from rejecting
> me. You see, if you have a problem, the only way to resolve it is to
> pay for a support call, and the money is non-refundable. With XP
> it only refused to allow me to get updates. With Vista it will turn your
> operating system off, and you will be left with an inaimate lump of
> coal, instead of a usable computer. So, it can hurt you big time.
>
> -- Larry Maturo
>
<snip>

Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:
> Larry
>
> You do not have to pay for support for any WGA issues and Microsoft has no way to "shut down" your computer. They can only prevent you from accessing online services such as Windows Update or other services that require a valid copy of Windows.
>
> If you have any validation issues, go to the free Microsoft WGA forums. They are staffed by Microsoft PSS people and will take care of any false validation issues. If they determine that you have a high quality, illegal CD, they will even arrange to replace it with a genuine replacement CD and product key, free of charge.
>
> Speak to us at Microsoft!:
> http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/default.aspx
>
>
Ronnie,

Look at this post; if you will.

a partial post from Vista admin& acccounts.

"I can just run
> with "reduced functionality" which just runs Firefox and allows me to
visit
> sites. I can't access any files on my harddrive."


LOL lets see; not being able access his hard drive files; I consider
effectively shutting down a pc.
Explain to me; if you will; why MSFT has pulled WGA N from the update
servers? Or why there are 2 class action lawsuits about WGA N in the
courts now?


Jeff

M. Murcek wrote:
>> If your copy of Vista is genuine, how does SPP hurt you?
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:ONfzefr$GHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Todd VanDenHul wrote:
>>>> http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-6131...ss&tag=6131900
>>>> &subj=news
>>>
>>> One down(EULA); one to go! (SPP)
>>>
>>> They drop SPP and a whole lot of people will jump on board Vista.
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Jeff

***I've stated my opinion at length elsewhere under a different nym, but I
will point out some things about what some people, not necessarily me
though, think about only some aspects of SPP. And I am not going to debate
the virtue or vice of SPP - I'm simply reporting here, FYI. ***

Some feel that if SPP does on going checks and reports to Microsoft that it
is an invasion of privacy and a sort of "take over" of the ownership of the
computer i.e. the computer is engaging in activity not specifically
instructed by the owner. Also, if the SPP goes further and actually seizes
the computer - limited or full kill switch and/or any other taking hold of
the computer, it amounts to a seizure of one's personal "papers" and
documents and essentially is a violation of civil rights i.e. unWARRANTed
search and seizure of one's papers and one's possession at Microsoft caprice
and whim and done so without any proper legal recourse available to the
owner of the computer.

So that's why there's this "two-fold" protest of:

1. Please remove the transfer restriction [which has been done - thanks
Microsoft]

and 2. Please do not allow on-going search and possible seizure of the
computer (WGA-N and SPP and like software).

Now this is not about when the Microsoft software is first installed. Most
have accepted Windows Product Activation (WPA) which does a check at install
and occasionally thereafter but entirely client-side. And this is not simple
WGA - requiring a validation if you want to download extras but does not
report on you without your permission.

What is objected to is the on-going checking and reporting to Microsoft by
the operating system [whether one wants this or not] and the never-ending
threat of seizure completely at Microsoft's caprice and whim. Examples of
this are WGA-N and SPP.

Many people are kindly asking that Microsoft drop this scheme and stay with
WPA and WGA, but not go further than that (i.e. drop WGA-N and SPP from the
software).

OK? I hope that helps. Here's the text people are concerned about and that
some people feel Microsoft is according itself way to much liberty over the
control of one's own computer:

[Quote from current proposal for Vista EULA]

5. VALIDATION.
a. The software will from time to time validate the software, update or
require download of the
validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software
has been activated and
is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of
the software or to
obtain additional benefits. For more information, see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157.
b. During a validation check, the software will send information about the
software and the device
to Microsoft. This information includes the version and product key of the
software, and the
Internet protocol address of the device. Microsoft does not use the
information to identify or
contact you. By using the software, you consent to the transmission of this
information. For
more information about validation and what is sent during a validation
check, see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=69500.
c. If, after a validation check, the software is found not to be properly
licensed, the functionality of
the software may be affected. For example, you may
· need to reactivate the software, or
· receive reminders to obtain a properly licensed copy of the software,
or you may not be able to
· use or continue to use some of the features of the software, or
· obtain certain updates or upgrades from Microsoft.
d. You may only obtain updates or upgrades for the software from Microsoft
or authorized sources.
For more information on obtaining updates from authorized sources see
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=69502.

[/Quote]

Like I said, I'm not going to mention what I think, rather I'm expressing
what some people think is wrong with SPP just FYI since you asked.