Vista - Vista versus linux Ubuntu

Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10 (edgy
eft)

here follow some findings

pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
vista looks better
vista is more advanced
vista has more features
Vista has the potential to be highly productive
vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)

pro's of Ubuntu over vista
Ubuntu is free
Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN
Ubuntu is very fast
Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)
Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS
Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very tidy
looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the old days of
manually configuring files inorder to install apps, application setups are
very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection is very good in Ubuntu.

My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the internet for
some casual browsing and sending emails and run some office applications
then Ubuntu is well worth considering.

P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for those
who would like to use both)

Will schrieb:
....
> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the internet
> for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some office
> applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.
....

My understanding was/is that Linux is used by advanced users, even in
Redmond, especially for servers - and that Windows (98/XP/Vista) is
necessary for home users who are doing serious gaming!



Roy (XP SP2 and Vista b. 5744)

Will wrote:
> Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10
> (edgy eft)
>
> here follow some findings
>
> pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
> vista looks better
> vista is more advanced
> vista has more features
> Vista has the potential to be highly productive
> vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)
>
> pro's of Ubuntu over vista
> Ubuntu is free
> Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN
> Ubuntu is very fast
> Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)
> Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS
> Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very
> tidy looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the
> old days of manually configuring files inorder to install apps,
> application setups are very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection is
> very good in Ubuntu.
> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the
> internet for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some
> office applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.
>
> P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for
> those who would like to use both)

Actually I think you have it the wrong way around. Linux is more suited to a
advanced user. Imagine your typical home user using Linux in the following
situations. They buy a new USB all in one printer/scanner/copier/fax. They
buy a new digital camera. For their birthday they get a new game. As part of
their job they are given a Power Point slide deck to modify. It includes
video clips and VML graphics. An advanced user could probably make all of
this work in Linux. A typical home user could not. At the present time both
users may have problems with the all in one machine and the game with Vista
but once Vista is released those types of problems will go away quite
quickly. With Linux they have existed for as long as Linux has. An advanced
user can be just as productive with Linux as with any version of Windows.
The typical home user would be very frustrated with Linux very quickly.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

You do have a point there
I should rephrase the term "home user" to "advanced user with basic needs"
Although I would have to say when it comes to installing hardware Ubuntu
has made vast improvements over for example Redhat which is now fairly old
but it was my last linux experience before trying Ubuntu
Ubuntu detected my webcam, both my printers, my digital tuner card and my
digital camera's Xd card, This was a huge surprise for me I didn't expect
that.
However gaming is a different matter Vista is the one for that, but then
again not everybody plays games on the PC

"Will" <imagine_44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1DB65871-3C52-4A0F-9893-9A5612EDE653@microsoft.com...
> Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10 (edgy
> eft)
>
> here follow some findings
>
> pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
> vista looks better
> vista is more advanced
> vista has more features
> Vista has the potential to be highly productive
> vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)
>
> pro's of Ubuntu over vista
> Ubuntu is free
> Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN
> Ubuntu is very fast
> Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)
> Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS
> Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very tidy
> looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the old days of
> manually configuring files inorder to install apps, application setups are
> very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection is very good in Ubuntu.
>
> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the internet
> for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some office
> applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.
>
> P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for those
> who would like to use both)
>
>
>

Kerry this might come to you as a suprise...
but in a few short years ubuntu will be easier and more user friendly in
every aspect... in that same time
microsoft will have gotten tremendous blows from sales
from vista and office2007 since they will be avoided...

This will flip the whole technology upside down...

sit there and you will see this happen just as I am saying it.

5 years..... linux will be the dominant OS

I would have never have thought this possible.. but then again I would never
had thought microsoft
was capable of making so many mistakes all together and destroy their
products.....

this is more of a self destruction more than anything.. but this creates a
window for other
technologies to take advantage ....

The same thing is happening as we speak with ie7 and firefox. Because people
wanted a ie7 so much,
and they were tremendusly disapointed by the bugs, incompatibilites and bad
design of the UI,
they flocked to firefox 2 instead of going back to ie6...

as you can see this is a self destruction, because mozilla didnt have the
power to make all these people
shift browsers.... so it was microsoft that helped mozilla...

the same thing is happening now... microsoft is helping apple and linux
platforms..

You will see this happen... if you could for a little release yourself from
microsoft blinding propaganda....

you will see it. I am correct about this. But you may need to recieve more
information to start believing it...

MS is trying to grab suse into a deal of some kind.. some people in
Microsoft are very conserned...

the company has no guidence and its falling apart.. and its fruit of this is
vista... the worst OS microsoft has ever made.





"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:%236nkDtOAHHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Will wrote:
>> Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10
>> (edgy eft)
>>
>> here follow some findings
>>
>> pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
>> vista looks better
>> vista is more advanced
>> vista has more features
>> Vista has the potential to be highly productive
>> vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)
>>
>> pro's of Ubuntu over vista
>> Ubuntu is free
>> Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN
>> Ubuntu is very fast
>> Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)
>> Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS
>> Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very
>> tidy looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the
>> old days of manually configuring files inorder to install apps,
>> application setups are very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection is
>> very good in Ubuntu.
>> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
>> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
>> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the
>> internet for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some
>> office applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.
>>
>> P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for
>> those who would like to use both)
>
> Actually I think you have it the wrong way around. Linux is more suited to
> a advanced user. Imagine your typical home user using Linux in the
> following situations. They buy a new USB all in one
> printer/scanner/copier/fax. They buy a new digital camera. For their
> birthday they get a new game. As part of their job they are given a Power
> Point slide deck to modify. It includes video clips and VML graphics. An
> advanced user could probably make all of this work in Linux. A typical
> home user could not. At the present time both users may have problems with
> the all in one machine and the game with Vista but once Vista is released
> those types of problems will go away quite quickly. With Linux they have
> existed for as long as Linux has. An advanced user can be just as
> productive with Linux as with any version of Windows. The typical home
> user would be very frustrated with Linux very quickly.
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>
>
>

Will wrote:
> Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10
> (edgy eft)
>
> here follow some findings
>
> pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
> vista looks better

Yes it does.

> vista is more advanced

In some areas.

> vista has more features

In some areas.

> Vista has the potential to be highly productive

True.

> vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)

True.

>
> pro's of Ubuntu over vista

> Ubuntu is free

Nice, isn't it.

> Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN

These have never bothered me.

> Ubuntu is very fast

So is my XP or Vista.

> Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)

I can't remember when I've had BSOD or lockup with RTM quality OS.

> Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS

Maybe, but my favourite apps don't work in it. Not to mention nearly
every game available is not available within Ubuntu.

> Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very tidy
> looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the old days
> of manually configuring files inorder to install apps, application
> setups are very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection is very good in
> Ubuntu.

It may be very good in some areas, but not all. Namely sound cards,
printers and multimedia equipment. Reminds me of early windows
Plug-and-Pray method.

>
> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the internet
> for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some office
> applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.

This is true for some users.

>
> P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for
> those who would like to use both)

This is not exclusive for Ubuntu.

Will,

You forget the most important thing of all.

Ubuntu can't use 1/10th the software Vista can... that's the big ding
against Unbutu.
Not to mention the total lack of a unified support escalation at all...


Bill F.

"Will" <imagine_44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1DB65871-3C52-4A0F-9893-9A5612EDE653@microsoft.com...
> Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10 (edgy
> eft)
>
> here follow some findings
>
> pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
> vista looks better
> vista is more advanced
> vista has more features
> Vista has the potential to be highly productive
> vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)
>
> pro's of Ubuntu over vista
> Ubuntu is free
> Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN
> Ubuntu is very fast
> Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)
> Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS
> Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very tidy
> looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the old days of
> manually configuring files inorder to install apps, application setups are
> very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection is very good in Ubuntu.
>
> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the internet
> for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some office
> applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.
>
> P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for those
> who would like to use both)
>
>
>

It wouldn't be a surprise. I think it unlikely unless someone spends major
money on a marketing campaign and enforces some standards but the potential
is there with Ubuntu.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



MicroFox wrote:
> Kerry this might come to you as a suprise...
> but in a few short years ubuntu will be easier and more user friendly
> in every aspect... in that same time
> microsoft will have gotten tremendous blows from sales
> from vista and office2007 since they will be avoided...
>
> This will flip the whole technology upside down...
>
> sit there and you will see this happen just as I am saying it.
>
> 5 years..... linux will be the dominant OS
>
> I would have never have thought this possible.. but then again I
> would never had thought microsoft
> was capable of making so many mistakes all together and destroy their
> products.....
>
> this is more of a self destruction more than anything.. but this
> creates a window for other
> technologies to take advantage ....
>
> The same thing is happening as we speak with ie7 and firefox. Because
> people wanted a ie7 so much,
> and they were tremendusly disapointed by the bugs, incompatibilites
> and bad design of the UI,
> they flocked to firefox 2 instead of going back to ie6...
>
> as you can see this is a self destruction, because mozilla didnt have
> the power to make all these people
> shift browsers.... so it was microsoft that helped mozilla...
>
> the same thing is happening now... microsoft is helping apple and
> linux platforms..
>
> You will see this happen... if you could for a little release
> yourself from microsoft blinding propaganda....
>
> you will see it. I am correct about this. But you may need to recieve
> more information to start believing it...
>
> MS is trying to grab suse into a deal of some kind.. some people in
> Microsoft are very conserned...
>
> the company has no guidence and its falling apart.. and its fruit of
> this is vista... the worst OS microsoft has ever made.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:%236nkDtOAHHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Will wrote:
>>> Over the last few days I have been testing Linux Ubuntu version 6.10
>>> (edgy eft)
>>>
>>> here follow some findings
>>>
>>> pro's of Vista over Ubuntu
>>> vista looks better
>>> vista is more advanced
>>> vista has more features
>>> Vista has the potential to be highly productive
>>> vista is very stable (well at least for me it is)
>>>
>>> pro's of Ubuntu over vista
>>> Ubuntu is free
>>> Ubuntu doesn't have SPP WGA or WGAN
>>> Ubuntu is very fast
>>> Ubuntu is very stable (not a single BSOD's at all and no lockups)
>>> Ubuntu does everything a home user would want out of an OS
>>> Ubuntu although not at the same level as Vista it still has a very
>>> tidy looking user interface and linux has come a long way since the
>>> old days of manually configuring files inorder to install apps,
>>> application setups are very easy in Ubuntu plug and play detection
>>> is very good in Ubuntu.
>>> My conclusion if you are an advanced user and need a high level of
>>> productivity you really need to stick with MSFT and buy Vista.
>>> But if your just an average home user and all you do is use the
>>> internet for some casual browsing and sending emails and run some
>>> office applications then Ubuntu is well worth considering.
>>>
>>> P.S Ubuntu also daul boots very well with both Vista and XP pro (for
>>> those who would like to use both)
>>
>> Actually I think you have it the wrong way around. Linux is more
>> suited to a advanced user. Imagine your typical home user using
>> Linux in the following situations. They buy a new USB all in one
>> printer/scanner/copier/fax. They buy a new digital camera. For their
>> birthday they get a new game. As part of their job they are given a
>> Power Point slide deck to modify. It includes video clips and VML
>> graphics. An advanced user could probably make all of this work in
>> Linux. A typical home user could not. At the present time both users
>> may have problems with the all in one machine and the game with
>> Vista but once Vista is released those types of problems will go
>> away quite quickly. With Linux they have existed for as long as
>> Linux has. An advanced user can be just as productive with Linux as
>> with any version of Windows. The typical home user would be very
>> frustrated with Linux very quickly. --
>> Kerry
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

Will wrote:
> However gaming is a different matter Vista is the one for that, but then
> again not everybody plays games on the PC

Nowadays, games on the PC are just clones of games made for Playstation,
XBox, etc. I was very disappointed in TR7 that was like that, for example.

Alias

On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:00:27 -0500, Bill Frisbee wrote:

> Will,
>
> You forget the most important thing of all.
>
> Ubuntu can't use 1/10th the software Vista can... that's the big ding
> against Unbutu.

I've got 15,000 free applications at my fingertips and installable with
just a few mouseclicks. How many Vista applications can you afford?