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I am giving up!

  1. #1


    Paul Guest

    I am giving up!

    Ok, I am giving up. I thought the RC1 was going to be stable enough to do
    some decent testing, but every program and application and driver I try to
    install fails. Can't print, can't scan, can't run any of my programs.

    Yes, it is a nice looking OS, but who needs an OS that nothing will run on?
    Most application shops have officially stated that they have not updated
    their programs for Vista yet. Yes, the release date is supposed to be
    January, but I am guessing that it will be at least another year until all
    the programs I have and use have been Vista-sized.

    So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at least
    another year!

    --
    Paul

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  2. #2


    Alexander Suhovey Guest

    Re: I am giving up!

    "Paul" <Paul@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:E1842D72-8A55-4078-8A2D-4BA28AD9173D@microsoft.com...
    > So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at least
    > another year!
    >

    Take care, Paul.

    Oh, can I ask you to do something before you dump your Vista installation?

    Please go to Control Panel, open "Problem Reports and Solutions" program and
    click "Check for new solutions". Even if it will not help you with your
    problems immediately, it will let Microsoft guys (and most probably
    app/drivers developers if they are joined appropriate MSDN program) know
    about them and may help in solving them faster.

    Thank you.

    --
    Alexander Suhovey


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  3. #3


    John Barnes Guest

    Re: I am giving up!

    Know the feeling. I want to go to Vista64 from XP X-64 and 80% of my
    programs won't run either. At least I have drivers for all my hardware, but
    replaced most of that going to x-64.
    Good luck.


    "Paul" <Paul@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:E1842D72-8A55-4078-8A2D-4BA28AD9173D@microsoft.com...
    > Ok, I am giving up. I thought the RC1 was going to be stable enough to do
    > some decent testing, but every program and application and driver I try to
    > install fails. Can't print, can't scan, can't run any of my programs.
    >
    > Yes, it is a nice looking OS, but who needs an OS that nothing will run
    > on?
    > Most application shops have officially stated that they have not updated
    > their programs for Vista yet. Yes, the release date is supposed to be
    > January, but I am guessing that it will be at least another year until all
    > the programs I have and use have been Vista-sized.
    >
    > So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at least
    > another year!
    >
    > --
    > Paul




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  4. #4


    David R. Norton MVP Guest

    Re: I am giving up!

    Paul <Paul@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    news:E1842D72-8A55-4078-8A2D-4BA28AD9173D@microsoft.com:

    > Ok, I am giving up. I thought the RC1 was going to be stable
    > enough to do some decent testing, but every program and
    > application and driver I try to install fails. Can't print, can't
    > scan, can't run any of my programs.
    >
    > Yes, it is a nice looking OS, but who needs an OS that nothing
    > will run on? Most application shops have officially stated that
    > they have not updated their programs for Vista yet. Yes, the
    > release date is supposed to be January, but I am guessing that it
    > will be at least another year until all the programs I have and
    > use have been Vista-sized.
    >
    > So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at
    > least another year!


    Probably a wise choice. I'm sure that now Vista is RTM the vendors
    of both hardware and software will get busy and update their
    drivers/software, etc. very soon. I see that HP and others are now
    offering free upgrades to Vista:

    http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/c...g-1179-newLink

    so it would seem that HP, et. al. will be joining with MSFT in pressuring
    software/hardware vendors to get busy!


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  5. #5


    John Barnes Guest

    Re: I am giving up!

    May help with a few of the large software firms, but most of the software
    that the average consumer has accumulated over the past 5-8 years is from
    small niche companies who aren't in business anymore, gobbled up by bigger
    companies who have their other software and aren't going to do anything with
    the older programs except continue to sell to the millions of XP users.
    Lots of new companies will jump on the bandwagon and bring out new products,
    but is has been disappointing to have to buy 2-4 new programs to get the
    functions one little old program did.


    "David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9878BC0BBA01drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
    > Paul <Paul@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > news:E1842D72-8A55-4078-8A2D-4BA28AD9173D@microsoft.com:
    >
    >> Ok, I am giving up. I thought the RC1 was going to be stable
    >> enough to do some decent testing, but every program and
    >> application and driver I try to install fails. Can't print, can't
    >> scan, can't run any of my programs.
    >>
    >> Yes, it is a nice looking OS, but who needs an OS that nothing
    >> will run on? Most application shops have officially stated that
    >> they have not updated their programs for Vista yet. Yes, the
    >> release date is supposed to be January, but I am guessing that it
    >> will be at least another year until all the programs I have and
    >> use have been Vista-sized.
    >>
    >> So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at
    >> least another year!

    >
    > Probably a wise choice. I'm sure that now Vista is RTM the vendors
    > of both hardware and software will get busy and update their
    > drivers/software, etc. very soon. I see that HP and others are now
    > offering free upgrades to Vista:
    >
    > http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/c...g-1179-newLink
    >
    > so it would seem that HP, et. al. will be joining with MSFT in pressuring
    > software/hardware vendors to get busy!
    >




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  6. #6


    Gene Fitz Guest

    RE: I am giving up!

    Well Paul,

    You are using RC1, and RC1 has already been outdated as far as the test
    platforms go. A lot of things didn't work correctly in RC1. However, if you
    have a torrent setup, you may be able to find RC2, which your RC1 key will
    still work on. RC2 is much more stable, and should give you fewer issues.
    I'm sorry I can't give you more help, and I understand that it can be
    frustrating. I don't know why Microsoft is still offering RC1, when RC2 has
    already been released to the public, and they have already gone RTM with
    Vista.

    Hope this helps :-)

    "Paul" wrote:

    > Ok, I am giving up. I thought the RC1 was going to be stable enough to do
    > some decent testing, but every program and application and driver I try to
    > install fails. Can't print, can't scan, can't run any of my programs.
    >
    > Yes, it is a nice looking OS, but who needs an OS that nothing will run on?
    > Most application shops have officially stated that they have not updated
    > their programs for Vista yet. Yes, the release date is supposed to be
    > January, but I am guessing that it will be at least another year until all
    > the programs I have and use have been Vista-sized.
    >
    > So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at least
    > another year!
    >
    > --
    > Paul


      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7. #7


    Mark D. VandenBerg Guest

    Re: I am giving up!


    "David R. Norton MVP" <d_r_nortonNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9878BC0BBA01drnortonyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
    >
    >
    > Probably a wise choice. I'm sure that now Vista is RTM the vendors
    > of both hardware and software will get busy and update their
    > drivers/software, etc. very soon. I see that HP and others are now
    > offering free upgrades to Vista:
    >
    > http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/c...g-1179-newLink
    >
    > so it would seem that HP, et. al. will be joining with MSFT in pressuring
    > software/hardware vendors to get busy!
    >


    Which I find very funny since HP has, so far, been one of the worst
    offenders of not having Beta drivers available for their products.



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  8. #8


    Paul Guest

    RE: I am giving up!

    Well, Gene, it does not help much, but thanks for the reply. I am not going
    hunting for RC2, and I fully understand why MS is not making it available. If
    it is RTM, then obviously, they are not interested in customer feedback from
    RC1 or RC2. Besides, what feedback is there to give? "Product X does not work
    on Vista - MS response: contact Product X support and ask them to upgrade
    their product."

    Anyway, that is not the issue. The issue is that while the OS may be good
    and stable, and contain lots of new stuff including security fixes, it is
    totally useless to me if I cannot run my existing programs on it. And I doubt
    that by release date in January, there will be much difference. Right now, I
    cannot run my Norton AV, I cannot print to my new Dell 3010cn printer, I
    cannot run Adobe CS2, and on and on.. These are not archaic programs or
    devices - imagine if I tried some of my older stuff?!? It seems everything I
    try to load onto it fails.

    So, it is back to XP for me.. at least for another year. Hopefully, by then
    all the 3rd party developers will have their act together.. and hopefully, it
    will not cost me an arm and a leg to have to buy new products or upgrades to
    get them to run on Vista.


    --
    Paul


    "Gene Fitz" wrote:

    > Well Paul,
    >
    > You are using RC1, and RC1 has already been outdated as far as the test
    > platforms go. A lot of things didn't work correctly in RC1. However, if you
    > have a torrent setup, you may be able to find RC2, which your RC1 key will
    > still work on. RC2 is much more stable, and should give you fewer issues.
    > I'm sorry I can't give you more help, and I understand that it can be
    > frustrating. I don't know why Microsoft is still offering RC1, when RC2 has
    > already been released to the public, and they have already gone RTM with
    > Vista.
    >
    > Hope this helps :-)
    >
    > "Paul" wrote:
    >
    > > Ok, I am giving up. I thought the RC1 was going to be stable enough to do
    > > some decent testing, but every program and application and driver I try to
    > > install fails. Can't print, can't scan, can't run any of my programs.
    > >
    > > Yes, it is a nice looking OS, but who needs an OS that nothing will run on?
    > > Most application shops have officially stated that they have not updated
    > > their programs for Vista yet. Yes, the release date is supposed to be
    > > January, but I am guessing that it will be at least another year until all
    > > the programs I have and use have been Vista-sized.
    > >
    > > So, good bye folks.. I am dumping this and going back to XP for at least
    > > another year!
    > >
    > > --
    > > Paul


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  9. #9


    Alexander Suhovey Guest

    Re: I am giving up!

    "Paul" <Paul@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:5BCBDFA8-24B2-4D85-A609-1915158D61D8@microsoft.com...
    >Besides, what feedback is there to give? "Product X does not work on Vista


    Paul,

    When you report a problem using "Problem Reports and Solutions", it's not
    just "YOU: Hey, MS, this app is not working! MS: Well, let's see... Nope,
    can't help with that" kind of conversation. Windows sends to Microsoft a
    bunch of technical details about an error and environment at the time error
    occured. This information can really help devs with figuring out exact cause
    of an error. It is stored in a database. If there's already a solution in
    database for this or similair error you will get this info. If not, the
    issue will be piped to automatic and/or manual analysis. Third-party devs
    can also get access to [part of] this database to see if there are any
    problems reported regarding their software, get error details to work on and
    post back solutions.

    Microsoft has stated several times that CTP/CPP program was a huge success
    in terms of quantity and quality of feedback received [via PRaS and OCA].

    > - MS response: contact Product X support and ask them to upgrade their
    > product."


    Well ,this is IMHO not the attitude of people MS was targeting with public
    beta releases. The whole idea of beta is to try and break it, to install
    whatever you can think of and see if it works, to do all kinds of crazy
    things with OS and see if it can stand it. And if not, report all issues
    back to developer. If you're not that kind of enthusiast, probably you can
    save yourself a hassle and wait patiently (passively) until vendors fix all
    apps and drivers.

    --
    Alexander Suhovey


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  10. #10


    Sharon Fink Guest

    Re: I am giving up!

    In article <5BCBDFA8-24B2-4D85-A609-1915158D61D8@microsoft.com>,
    Paul <Paul@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    > The issue is that while the OS may be good
    > and stable, and contain lots of new stuff including security fixes, it is
    > totally useless to me if I cannot run my existing programs on it. And I doubt
    > that by release date in January, there will be much difference.


    No argument from me about your personal decisions. However, Vista is OEM
    only at this point. Retail will not show up until January. I would hope
    that by January there will be "Vista updates" from the various software
    vendors. I feel that this is a reasonable expectation since we've seen
    eventual software (and driver) updates appear after the official release
    of XP and just about every other major Windows version.

    --
    Sharon F
    MVP - Windows Shell

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