Vista - Unfair to Beta Testers who worked hard to better the product

It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing it
since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when no
one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had slapped
my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program I
am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean, because I
did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people who
made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not have
a heart, all they care about is money.

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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

No originally invented TechBeta participant had to pay a single cent to
Microsoft Corporation.


Customer Preview Program ( btw. there was no CPP at the time the project was
called Longhorn .. ) gave you the ability to test-drive a brand new OS
months before usual users would even know the name or the design.
You have been given the right to use for no fee or payment the Release
Candidates until a time when Vista will long be available in every store.

Now why are you complaining ?

Become a TechBeta Participant for a different Microsoft product by visiting
connect.microsoft.com and look under available programs, send in your
reports and see if you do qualify over the years for something big like a
OS.


It's not all about luck. It's real reward for real work.

I too would have loved a different policy for the CPPs that have made use of
the bug-reporting-tool to be fair, but hey...

SBJ



"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> it
> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> no
> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> slapped
> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> I
> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> because I
> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> who
> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> have
> a heart, all they care about is money.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The Technical
Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the CPP
has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only got 2
downloads.

Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that Microsoft
appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that was put
in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.


--
Josh
http://windowsconnected.com

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> it
> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> no
> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> slapped
> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> I
> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> because I
> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> who
> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> have
> a heart, all they care about is money.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> it
> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> no
> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> slapped
> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> I
> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> because I
> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> who
> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> have
> a heart, all they care about is money.



You weren't promised a copy. You didn't receive a copy.

Where's the foul?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

A friendly reminder folks, please don't feed the trolls.

"Jon Acord" wrote:

> It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing it
> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when no
> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had slapped
> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program I
> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean, because I
> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people who
> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not have
> a heart, all they care about is money.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Ben, Ben , Ben, Right, Maybe you did not understand my original post...CPP
testers have provided valuable work as well. We are just are deserving of a
reward as you are. We have helped Micro$oft test and develop the product.
WHY should ANYONE pay to test Alpha and beta software? Thats absurd...REAL
testing my friend is hard work. Program compatibility, crashes, hardware and
so on. You clearly have not a clue. I worked hard, tested Longhorn and
every single version of Vista, so just shut up.

"Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" wrote:

> No originally invented TechBeta participant had to pay a single cent to
> Microsoft Corporation.
>
>
> Customer Preview Program ( btw. there was no CPP at the time the project was
> called Longhorn .. ) gave you the ability to test-drive a brand new OS
> months before usual users would even know the name or the design.
> You have been given the right to use for no fee or payment the Release
> Candidates until a time when Vista will long be available in every store.
>
> Now why are you complaining ?
>
> Become a TechBeta Participant for a different Microsoft product by visiting
> connect.microsoft.com and look under available programs, send in your
> reports and see if you do qualify over the years for something big like a
> OS.
>
>
> It's not all about luck. It's real reward for real work.
>
> I too would have loved a different policy for the CPPs that have made use of
> the bug-reporting-tool to be fair, but hey...
>
> SBJ
>
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> > It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> > it
> > since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> > reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> > remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> > no
> > one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> > copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> > slapped
> > my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> > I
> > am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> > because I
> > did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> > their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> > bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> > who
> > made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> > have
> > a heart, all they care about is money.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>
>

Josh, Josh, Josh, MSDN and Technet subscribers are paying a FEE $$$ to
Microsoft. Thats the ONLY reason they get a copy, and CPP users do not.
Because I put ALOT of hard work in on testing LH and Vista. so don't tell me
its fair!!!!!!

"Josh" wrote:

> Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
> anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The Technical
> Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the CPP
> has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
> They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
> rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only got 2
> downloads.
>
> Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that Microsoft
> appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that was put
> in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>
>
> --
> Josh
> http://windowsconnected.com
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> > It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> > it
> > since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> > reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> > remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> > no
> > one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> > copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> > slapped
> > my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> > I
> > am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> > because I
> > did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> > their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> > bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> > who
> > made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> > have
> > a heart, all they care about is money.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>

No one was 'Promised' a copy. The FACT is that CPP users who did alot of
hard work are being tretaed like 2nd class citizens by Micro$ot...we are Just
as deserving as recognition as anyone else. I tested Vista for years and
faithfully submitted bug reports. But, because I have not payed a ridiculous
$600.00 fee to be an MSDN Subscriber Micro$oft chooses to ignore me. That is
unfair and biased. They have no heart.

"PNutts" wrote:

> A friendly reminder folks, please don't feed the trolls.
>
> "Jon Acord" wrote:
>
> > It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing it
> > since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> > reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> > remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when no
> > one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> > copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had slapped
> > my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program I
> > am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean, because I
> > did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> > their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> > bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people who
> > made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not have
> > a heart, all they care about is money.
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

SO SIGN UP AS A TECHNICAL BETA TESTER

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> It’s been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been doing
> it
> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product when
> no
> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> slapped
> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview program
> I
> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> because I
> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
> who
> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
> have
> a heart, all they care about is money.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Jon Acord wrote:

> Josh, Josh, Josh, MSDN and Technet subscribers are paying a FEE $$$ to
> Microsoft.

And the MSDN/Technet versions are only for testing, not for day-to-day use.

David Wilkinson