Vista - Wake up Mike Brannigan [MSFT] and smell the reality!

Yo Mike Brannigan--

BTW anyone wanting to reach Mr. Brannigan can do so at
mikebran@microsoft.com

Good to see you slumming in here. Again I can count the number of softies
that have been in the pubic groups on the fingers of one hand once or
twice--Darrell Gorter, Jill Zoeller and that's about it. Corey Snow and
Nick White once when their names were invoked.

Jill's blog is excellent but neither she nor anyone else has lifted a finger
to put comprehensive articles on Technet or MSDN or any other Vista
sites--including the offbeat urls from MSFT that few people find.

MSDN and Technet blogs and Radio 9 are a very promising phenom for
communication. It's a shame that Rob Scoble is no longer with MSFT in one
sense, but promising that he has moved on--I haven't seen anyone taking his
place and filling those very large shoes at MSFT yet. His blog will always
live on. There's always Mini for some slices of MSFT culture:

minimsft.blogspot.com

I would love to see you Mr. Brannigan address a couple issues--boy would I
like to have a conversation with you on them. I also invite you and your
homeboys and girls to take a particular Vista challenge with me.

MSFT in the form of one OEM VP Scotty DI aka Scott Di Valerio has arm
twisted OEM named partners (300 of 'em Mike) to not include OS on media when
your customers pay hard earned cash for a new box from them. Instead MSFT
wants to ship the very profitable pre-loaded OS via OEM named partners
without any viable competent means to recover a broken Vista or XP with the
most capable tool--the entire OS code on media.

This is in part mirrored by the MSFT report last quarter of a nearly 20%
(19%) increase in profit from OEM sales of hardware with the preinstalled OS
and or Office on it (that's be XP at the time and Office 2003 Systems) and a
20% plummeting of retail software profits. MSFT's major cash cows have been
the Windows OS and Office, although they finally after years of foot
dragging have recognized Jo Anne Bradford's push to market web advertising
because Google has been kicking MSFT's butt in profits in that venue all
over the playing field.

I'd like to challenge you personally and anyone you want to choose at
Redmond up through Allchin and Gates to go into a room and take your spiffy
laptop and we'll break your Vista or your XP if you like--let's break both.
I'll break mine and I want a Vista DVD but you can have an OEM piece of crap
recovery disc or recovery parititon and lets repeat this scores of itmes and
see who wins as to recovering the OS.

Why was there such a global systemic tin ear as to many many components of
Vista that TBTs spelled out for various members of the Redmond Vista teams
that were ignored repeatedly?

Why were so many promising features left on the cutting room floor that had
been proposed and promised for Vista?

Why is there such a significant lack of efficacy in your crash cart for
Vista PM Desmond Lee's team's Win RE's Startup Repair compared with the
success rate of repairing Win XP with a Repair Install or Inplace Upgrade as
it's called in the MSKBs--provided--and this is a big if because it's rare
for about 800 million of your OEM customers of Win XP on the planet now and
will be equally rare for Vista customers to have a genuine OS media shipped
with their new computer after the expenditure of many hard earned bucks?

Why is your PSS so horrendous for Win XP, Office, and now Vista? Why is
your cheap Convergys outsourcing it to Indans who know so little about
fixing Office and XP and Vista and who are largely unintelligible in English
and best characterized as "minimum waged butts in seats"?

Why hasn't Device Manger been fixed so it can distinguish between a corrupt
driver and an intatc healthy one? Isn't 11 years enough time? It wasn't
fixed in Vista either. Team members associated with devices and drivers
confirmed this in Beta chats.

CH


"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:uM0xgU0CHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:7562A9F3-9D25-440E-A8B3-A53A96188F5C@microsoft.com...
>> Josh, Josh, Josh, MSDN and Technet subscribers are paying a FEE $$$ to
>> Microsoft. Thats the ONLY reason they get a copy, and CPP users do not.
>> Because I put ALOT of hard work in on testing LH and Vista. so don't tell
>> me
>> its fair!!!!!!
>>
>
> Jon, you are confusing a number of issues here
> .
> MSDN users pay to receive various Microsoft products for development and
> testing purposes only. so they subscribe for up to a couple of thousand
> dollars to receive a whole raft of operating systems, servers applications
> and development tools. The fact that they have access now to Vista is
> just a function if it being a released OS that they should have access to,
> to continue to develop products and applications for as well as all the
> other areas around integration etc etc etc
> TechNet have access to a number of operating system and desktop/server
> applications for testing and demonstration purposes only. They pay to
> receive these products to allow them to test, learn and demo them as part
> of the subscribers role as IT Professionals.
> So neither of these groups are getting anything for free - they are
> getting entirely what they paid for.
> The members of the Technical Beta groups were involved in the testing and
> shaping of the Vista product for a significant amount of time. There are
> significant requirements on you as a member of this group as regards
> continued participation in various pieces of work from feedback, chat
> sessions, feature focus work, etc etc.
> There are invites to participate based on a number of criteria. They are
> not paid and are not expected to receive anything for the work they do. A
> decision was made for the Vista Tech Beta that those that met the relevant
> criteria would be offered a single copy of one of the Vista products for
> their own personal use.
>
> The CPP that you paid a nominal amount for, gave you access to the pre
> release product to allow you to gain some experience of the product prior
> to release. there was no requirement for you to do anything and you got
> what you paid for -- namely access to the product prior to release.
> So the product has now RTM'd and you as a member of the general public
> will be able to purchase it in Jan 07.
> If you did choose to provide feedback and do any particular "work" with eh
> CPP builds then you did so under your own time and without any commitment
> from Microsoft to reward you in any way.
>
> So there is absolutely no reason for you to feel hard done by now for not
> getting some freebie that you seem to thing you are owed for doing
> voluntary work.
>
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:7562A9F3-9D25-440E-A8B3-A53A96188F5C@microsoft.com...
>> Josh, Josh, Josh, MSDN and Technet subscribers are paying a FEE $$$ to
>> Microsoft. Thats the ONLY reason they get a copy, and CPP users do not.
>> Because I put ALOT of hard work in on testing LH and Vista. so don't tell
>> me
>> its fair!!!!!!
>>
>> "Josh" wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
>>> anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
>>> Technical
>>> Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
>>> CPP
>>> has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
>>> They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
>>> rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only
>>> got 2
>>> downloads.
>>>
>>> Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
>>> Microsoft
>>> appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that was
>>> put
>>> in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Josh
>>> http://windowsconnected.com
>>>
>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
>>> > It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
>>> > doing
>>> > it
>>> > since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
>>> > reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care
>>> > to
>>> > remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
>>> > when
>>> > no
>>> > one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
>>> > 'complimentary'
>>> > copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
>>> > slapped
>>> > my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
>>> > program
>>> > I
>>> > am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>>> > because I
>>> > did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
>>> > better
>>> > their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
>>> > bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
>>> > people
>>> > who
>>> > made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
>>> > not
>>> > have
>>> > a heart, all they care about is money.
>>> >
>>> > ----------------
>>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>> > the "I
>>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>> > follow
>>> > this
>>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> > then
>>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>> >
>>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>
>

I'm floored about all those who want Vista for free. I don't know what the
licensing is for the Technet subscribers for whom Vista has been made
available but I can talk about the licensing for MSDN.

While MSDN includes licenses for installing up to 10 copies of Vista, none
of those licensed installations can be used for ANY production work! You
cannot write a document on them, you cannot check your email even for work or
developer related issues, you cannot surf the Internet, and you cannot play
games on them - not even solitaire.

I suppose I am probably in violation of the license for even using it to go
to these forums even though the only reason I went in the first place was to
report an issue with using the product in the way it was licensed to be used
- for testing software I am developing.

We are only permitted to use the Vista installation for testing software we
develop. We can't even do the actual development on Vista (or any other MSDN
OS installation), we have to buy a regular license just like everyone else.

The reason MSDN includes operating systems, and the reason we get it fast
when new versions come out is so that developers can write or modify software
to run on that OS. That is a win-win for Microsoft and the developer
community.

So for all of those who have their underpants in a wad because they can't
get their hands on Vista for a while, either get over it or pay their $3100
per year street price for MSDN without even getting to use the software for
production or fun!

Dale
--
Dale Preston
MCAD C#
MCSE, MCDBA


"Chad Harris" wrote:

> Yo Mike Brannigan--
>
> BTW anyone wanting to reach Mr. Brannigan can do so at
> mikebran@microsoft.com
>
> Good to see you slumming in here. Again I can count the number of softies
> that have been in the pubic groups on the fingers of one hand once or
> twice--Darrell Gorter, Jill Zoeller and that's about it. Corey Snow and
> Nick White once when their names were invoked.
>
> Jill's blog is excellent but neither she nor anyone else has lifted a finger
> to put comprehensive articles on Technet or MSDN or any other Vista
> sites--including the offbeat urls from MSFT that few people find.
>
> MSDN and Technet blogs and Radio 9 are a very promising phenom for
> communication. It's a shame that Rob Scoble is no longer with MSFT in one
> sense, but promising that he has moved on--I haven't seen anyone taking his
> place and filling those very large shoes at MSFT yet. His blog will always
> live on. There's always Mini for some slices of MSFT culture:
>
> minimsft.blogspot.com
>
> I would love to see you Mr. Brannigan address a couple issues--boy would I
> like to have a conversation with you on them. I also invite you and your
> homeboys and girls to take a particular Vista challenge with me.
>
> MSFT in the form of one OEM VP Scotty DI aka Scott Di Valerio has arm
> twisted OEM named partners (300 of 'em Mike) to not include OS on media when
> your customers pay hard earned cash for a new box from them. Instead MSFT
> wants to ship the very profitable pre-loaded OS via OEM named partners
> without any viable competent means to recover a broken Vista or XP with the
> most capable tool--the entire OS code on media.
>
> This is in part mirrored by the MSFT report last quarter of a nearly 20%
> (19%) increase in profit from OEM sales of hardware with the preinstalled OS
> and or Office on it (that's be XP at the time and Office 2003 Systems) and a
> 20% plummeting of retail software profits. MSFT's major cash cows have been
> the Windows OS and Office, although they finally after years of foot
> dragging have recognized Jo Anne Bradford's push to market web advertising
> because Google has been kicking MSFT's butt in profits in that venue all
> over the playing field.
>
> I'd like to challenge you personally and anyone you want to choose at
> Redmond up through Allchin and Gates to go into a room and take your spiffy
> laptop and we'll break your Vista or your XP if you like--let's break both.
> I'll break mine and I want a Vista DVD but you can have an OEM piece of crap
> recovery disc or recovery parititon and lets repeat this scores of itmes and
> see who wins as to recovering the OS.
>
> Why was there such a global systemic tin ear as to many many components of
> Vista that TBTs spelled out for various members of the Redmond Vista teams
> that were ignored repeatedly?
>
> Why were so many promising features left on the cutting room floor that had
> been proposed and promised for Vista?
>
> Why is there such a significant lack of efficacy in your crash cart for
> Vista PM Desmond Lee's team's Win RE's Startup Repair compared with the
> success rate of repairing Win XP with a Repair Install or Inplace Upgrade as
> it's called in the MSKBs--provided--and this is a big if because it's rare
> for about 800 million of your OEM customers of Win XP on the planet now and
> will be equally rare for Vista customers to have a genuine OS media shipped
> with their new computer after the expenditure of many hard earned bucks?
>
> Why is your PSS so horrendous for Win XP, Office, and now Vista? Why is
> your cheap Convergys outsourcing it to Indans who know so little about
> fixing Office and XP and Vista and who are largely unintelligible in English
> and best characterized as "minimum waged butts in seats"?
>
> Why hasn't Device Manger been fixed so it can distinguish between a corrupt
> driver and an intatc healthy one? Isn't 11 years enough time? It wasn't
> fixed in Vista either. Team members associated with devices and drivers
> confirmed this in Beta chats.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
> news:uM0xgU0CHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:7562A9F3-9D25-440E-A8B3-A53A96188F5C@microsoft.com...
> >> Josh, Josh, Josh, MSDN and Technet subscribers are paying a FEE $$$ to
> >> Microsoft. Thats the ONLY reason they get a copy, and CPP users do not.
> >> Because I put ALOT of hard work in on testing LH and Vista. so don't tell
> >> me
> >> its fair!!!!!!
> >>
> >
> > Jon, you are confusing a number of issues here
> > .
> > MSDN users pay to receive various Microsoft products for development and
> > testing purposes only. so they subscribe for up to a couple of thousand
> > dollars to receive a whole raft of operating systems, servers applications
> > and development tools. The fact that they have access now to Vista is
> > just a function if it being a released OS that they should have access to,
> > to continue to develop products and applications for as well as all the
> > other areas around integration etc etc etc
> > TechNet have access to a number of operating system and desktop/server
> > applications for testing and demonstration purposes only. They pay to
> > receive these products to allow them to test, learn and demo them as part
> > of the subscribers role as IT Professionals.
> > So neither of these groups are getting anything for free - they are
> > getting entirely what they paid for.
> > The members of the Technical Beta groups were involved in the testing and
> > shaping of the Vista product for a significant amount of time. There are
> > significant requirements on you as a member of this group as regards
> > continued participation in various pieces of work from feedback, chat
> > sessions, feature focus work, etc etc.
> > There are invites to participate based on a number of criteria. They are
> > not paid and are not expected to receive anything for the work they do. A
> > decision was made for the Vista Tech Beta that those that met the relevant
> > criteria would be offered a single copy of one of the Vista products for
> > their own personal use.
> >
> > The CPP that you paid a nominal amount for, gave you access to the pre
> > release product to allow you to gain some experience of the product prior
> > to release. there was no requirement for you to do anything and you got
> > what you paid for -- namely access to the product prior to release.
> > So the product has now RTM'd and you as a member of the general public
> > will be able to purchase it in Jan 07.
> > If you did choose to provide feedback and do any particular "work" with eh
> > CPP builds then you did so under your own time and without any commitment
> > from Microsoft to reward you in any way.
> >
> > So there is absolutely no reason for you to feel hard done by now for not
> > getting some freebie that you seem to thing you are owed for doing
> > voluntary work.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mike Brannigan
> >
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:7562A9F3-9D25-440E-A8B3-A53A96188F5C@microsoft.com...
> >> Josh, Josh, Josh, MSDN and Technet subscribers are paying a FEE $$$ to
> >> Microsoft. Thats the ONLY reason they get a copy, and CPP users do not.
> >> Because I put ALOT of hard work in on testing LH and Vista. so don't tell
> >> me
> >> its fair!!!!!!
> >>
> >> "Josh" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow, Ok first off Microsoft has not given MSDN or Technet Subscribers
> >>> anything. They purchased it. Those programs aren't free. The
> >>> Technical
> >>> Beta participants who have been in this program FAR FAR longer than the
> >>> CPP
> >>> has even been around do much much more than just file a couple of bugs.
> >>> They are responsible for feature focus testing each week. They have to
> >>> rebuild there systems far more often than someone in the CPP who only
> >>> got 2
> >>> downloads.
> >>>
> >>> Now I agree that this program certainly helps and I am sure that
> >>> Microsoft
> >>> appreciates the testing, but is it the same level of commitment that was
> >>> put
> >>> in by the Tech Beta participants...NO WAY.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Josh
> >>> http://windowsconnected.com
> >>>
> >>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> >>> news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...
> >>> > It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
> >>> > doing
> >>> > it
> >>> > since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
> >>> > reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care
> >>> > to
> >>> > remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
> >>> > when
> >>> > no
> >>> > one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away
> >>> > 'complimentary'
> >>> > copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
> >>> > slapped
> >>> > my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
> >>> > program
> >>> > I
> >>> > am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
> >>> > because I
> >>> > did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and
> >>> > better
> >>> > their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
> >>> > bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the
> >>> > people
> >>> > who
> >>> > made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does
> >>> > not
> >>> > have
> >>> > a heart, all they care about is money.
> >>> >
> >>> > ----------------
> >>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
> >>> > the "I
> >>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
> >>> > follow
> >>> > this
> >>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >>> > then
> >>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
> >>>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>