Vista - No VISTA For Christmas

Nicely put, Travis. So nice to see someome writing rationally about this
whole thing.

Lang

"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
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> I'm a CPP participant, and while I do think we deserve some kind of reward
> such as a reduced price *if* you have reported several quality bug reports
> (at least 10 throughout your involvement) as well as getting on the CPP
> very early (I signed up in March even though I couldn't get Vista until
> June), I do not feel we should get it for free although it would be nice.
> The reason being is this. What did we pay to test Vista? At most, $10
> for having the DVDs of RC1 and Beta 2 both shipped. The people at MSDN
> that pay hundreds if not more for a subscription should have that right,
> however. Furthermore, if MS were ever that nice to give a CPP participant
> a free copy of Vista, I would also take the time to send them a letter
> thanking them for it. That might encourage them to do things like that
> more often.
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:72B671EE-2AD4-456E-8BFE-0DE300772501@microsoft.com...
>>
>> Richard: My previous rants? Now that statement is unfair. As we
>> discussed
>> previously, *yawn*, CPP participants contributed as much as anyone else.
>> And
>> yet, those of us who faithfully submitted bugs, were not rewarded with
>> even a
>> discount coupon, much less a free copy. I was invited by microsoft to
>> participate in the CPP. I never Just went and downloaded it because I
>> saw
>> it. Here is an actual copy and paste from one of the numerous e-mails
>> microsoft sent to me: QUOTE: Thank you for participating in the Windows
>> Vista Customer Preview Program. Customer feedback is an integral part of
>> our
>> development process and your continued support is very important to help
>> us
>> improve the overall quality of Windows Vista. That aside, it would be
>> great
>> if PC enthusiasts were able to buy a copy of VISTA ultimate for
>> Christmas.
>> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>>
>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:966BA522-0BD9-42A5-BE72-59F028C5CE39@microsoft.com...
>>> > Apparently no one will be able to buy VISTA Ultimate for christmas. I
>>> > just
>>> > built a new computer, so buying another PC just to get VISTA is not an
>>> > option. Why doesn't microsoft let people download and pay for RTM
>>> > right
>>> > here, right now? It seems like they would make a ton of money, and
>>> > make
>>> > lots
>>> > of people deleriously happy. I have $400.00 just burning a hole in my
>>> > pocket. DO NOT miss out on the holiday season! Its all about
>>> > pleasing
>>> > the
>>> > consumer right when possible right? Please, make our dreams come
>>> > true!
>>> > VISTA ultimate for Christmas! It would save money on having to box it
>>> > and
>>> > put it on DISC on so on, and so forth! My idea does have some merit!
>>> >
>>> > ----------------
>>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>> > the "I
>>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>> > follow
>>> > this
>>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> > then
>>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>> >
>>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is one of the only things I have heard you state that has a bit of
>>> merit. A "bit", mind you.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I don't thing there is a server farm in existence that
>>> could
>>> handle the crush. Microsoft is experiencing problems now with the
>>> relatively
>>> few (by comparison) people who want to download from the MSDN website.
>>>
>>> Then there is the internet backbone itself. Could the internet stand up
>>> to
>>> the massive flow of traffic. How about the smaller ISP's whose equipment
>>> would go into meltdown from the massive flow of bits.
>>>
>>> Would YOU be happy when the first, second and maybe the third download
>>> is
>>> corrupted and you have to do it over, yet again. From what I gather from
>>> your previous rants I don't think that you are the type of person who
>>> would
>>> accept that which is not under anyone's control.
>>>
>>> And I know what you are going to say. Microsoft should only offer it
>>> this
>>> way to the CPP participants, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>
>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>>
>

"Charlie" <charlie@ease.biz> wrote in message
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> >DO NOT miss out on the holiday season! Its all about pleasing the
>>consumer right when possible right?
>
> No.... it's all about Jesus Christ...
>
> --
>
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:966BA522-0BD9-42A5-BE72-59F028C5CE39@microsoft.com...
>> Apparently no one will be able to buy VISTA Ultimate for christmas. I
>> just
>> built a new computer, so buying another PC just to get VISTA is not an
>> option. Why doesn't microsoft let people download and pay for RTM right
>> here, right now? It seems like they would make a ton of money, and make
>> lots
>> of people deleriously happy. I have $400.00 just burning a hole in my
>> pocket. DO NOT miss out on the holiday season! Its all about pleasing
>> the
>> consumer right when possible right? Please, make our dreams come true!
>> VISTA ultimate for Christmas! It would save money on having to box it
>> and
>> put it on DISC on so on, and so forth! My idea does have some merit!
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>
>
>

December 1st? Sounds great! I can't wait. I plan on buying Ultimate.

"**__Mike__**" wrote:

> Supposedly there will be a trial version available for download on December
> 1st that will allow you to use it until you are able to purchase and
> activate it with a product key. So most of us should have Vista for
> Christmas.
>
> -Mike
>
> "Gernot Frisch" <Me@Privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:4sgmvaFvk4s1U1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >> [snip] I have $400.00 just burning a hole in my
> >> pocket. DO NOT miss out on the holiday season!
> >
> > You can send it to me. I can spend it without worrying about Vista. And
> > when you have them in your pocket again, Vista is in the stores.
> >
>
>
>

I second that
"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Charlie" <charlie@ease.biz> wrote in message
> news:12m696nr00j9ec3@corp.supernews.com...
>> >DO NOT miss out on the holiday season! Its all about pleasing the
>>>consumer right when possible right?
>>
>> No.... it's all about Jesus Christ...
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:966BA522-0BD9-42A5-BE72-59F028C5CE39@microsoft.com...
>>> Apparently no one will be able to buy VISTA Ultimate for christmas. I
>>> just
>>> built a new computer, so buying another PC just to get VISTA is not an
>>> option. Why doesn't microsoft let people download and pay for RTM right
>>> here, right now? It seems like they would make a ton of money, and make
>>> lots
>>> of people deleriously happy. I have $400.00 just burning a hole in my
>>> pocket. DO NOT miss out on the holiday season! Its all about pleasing
>>> the
>>> consumer right when possible right? Please, make our dreams come true!
>>> VISTA ultimate for Christmas! It would save money on having to box it
>>> and
>>> put it on DISC on so on, and so forth! My idea does have some merit!
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Why should you expected to be rewarded? Where did you get the notion that
you would be? Just because you reported a few bugs here and there doesn't
entitle you to a discount or a freebie. Do you expect Ford to give a
discount for taking a new car for a test drive? This is the same thing the
Beta was a test drive, nothing more.
When you joined the testing program you weren't promised anything other than
the opportunity to see what Vista offers.

"Jon Acord" wrote:

>
> Richard: My previous rants? Now that statement is unfair. As we discussed
> previously, *yawn*, CPP participants contributed as much as anyone else. And
> yet, those of us who faithfully submitted bugs, were not rewarded with even a
> discount coupon, much less a free copy. I was invited by microsoft to
> participate in the CPP. I never Just went and downloaded it because I saw
> it. Here is an actual copy and paste from one of the numerous e-mails
> microsoft sent to me: QUOTE: Thank you for participating in the Windows
> Vista Customer Preview Program. Customer feedback is an integral part of our
> development process and your continued support is very important to help us
> improve the overall quality of Windows Vista. That aside, it would be great
> if PC enthusiasts were able to buy a copy of VISTA ultimate for Christmas.
> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>
> > "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> > news:966BA522-0BD9-42A5-BE72-59F028C5CE39@microsoft.com...
> > > Apparently no one will be able to buy VISTA Ultimate for christmas. I
> > > just
> > > built a new computer, so buying another PC just to get VISTA is not an
> > > option. Why doesn't microsoft let people download and pay for RTM right
> > > here, right now? It seems like they would make a ton of money, and make
> > > lots
> > > of people deleriously happy. I have $400.00 just burning a hole in my
> > > pocket. DO NOT miss out on the holiday season! Its all about pleasing
> > > the
> > > consumer right when possible right? Please, make our dreams come true!
> > > VISTA ultimate for Christmas! It would save money on having to box it and
> > > put it on DISC on so on, and so forth! My idea does have some merit!
> > >
> > > ----------------
> > > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > > this
> > > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> > >
> > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
> >
> >
> >
> > This is one of the only things I have heard you state that has a bit of
> > merit. A "bit", mind you.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I don't thing there is a server farm in existence that could
> > handle the crush. Microsoft is experiencing problems now with the relatively
> > few (by comparison) people who want to download from the MSDN website.
> >
> > Then there is the internet backbone itself. Could the internet stand up to
> > the massive flow of traffic. How about the smaller ISP's whose equipment
> > would go into meltdown from the massive flow of bits.
> >
> > Would YOU be happy when the first, second and maybe the third download is
> > corrupted and you have to do it over, yet again. From what I gather from
> > your previous rants I don't think that you are the type of person who would
> > accept that which is not under anyone's control.
> >
> > And I know what you are going to say. Microsoft should only offer it this
> > way to the CPP participants, right?
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Richard Urban
> > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >
> > Quote from George Ankner:
> > If you knew as much as you think you know,
> > You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >
> >