Vista - No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!

On 26/11/2006 in message <OuTLu#XEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> John
Barnes wrote:

>If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the
>size and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.

I appreciate that but what the OP said was :

>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!

And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on Explorer -
folders don't have a size.

--
Jeff Gaines

On 26/11/2006 in message <OQnkgYYEHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> Chad
Harris wrote:

>Jeff --
>
>If I'm understanding you correctly, I think that you can modify those
>column heads by going to that icon/folder at the lower left of your
>explorer folder window and right clicking>and highlighting sort by/group
>by/stack by/and by clicking on any of those menu choices click "more"
>which gives you over 120 choices for COLUMN HEADERS which will apply
>whichever view you use including DETAILS. It's working for me.

The only problem with choice is you have to make a decision :-)

I still don't believe there is an entry for folder size though which is
what the OP was implying.

Have you noticed the column headers still show even when you're not using
details view?

--
Jeff Gaines

Jeff--

The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
heading "MORE" as I said.

If I go to the ole list of columns and take out the checkmarks and all the
columns go bye bye regardless of the View.

CH

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6nxs2zrf0003@msnews.microsoft.com...
> On 26/11/2006 in message <OuTLu#XEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> John
> Barnes wrote:
>
>>If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the
>>size and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.
>
> I appreciate that but what the OP said was :
>
>>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>
> And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on Explorer -
> folders don't have a size.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines

Hey
Nice Aero color!!
lol
Did ya get my correct e-mail?

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"Chad Harris" <FixVista'nRedmondToo@kickit.net> wrote in message
news:OpSW9DaEHHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Jeff--
>
> The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
> can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
> completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
> left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
> talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
> heading "MORE" as I said.
>
> If I go to the ole list of columns and take out the checkmarks and all
> the
> columns go bye bye regardless of the View.
>
> CH
>
> "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
> news:xn0eu6nxs2zrf0003@msnews.microsoft.com...
>> On 26/11/2006 in message <OuTLu#XEHHA.4048@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl> John
>> Barnes wrote:
>>
>>>If you right click on any folder and select properties you will get the
>>>size and size on disk as well as sub file and folder count.
>>
>> I appreciate that but what the OP said was :
>>
>>>No Folder Size in Details Pane or Details View ?!
>>
>> And I replied that I had never seen an entry for Folder Size on
>> Explorer -
>> folders don't have a size.
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Gaines
>

On 26/11/2006 in message <OpSW9DaEHHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
Harris wrote:

>Jeff--
>
>The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
>can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
>completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
>left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
>talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
>heading "MORE" as I said.

This is getting a bit convoluted!

The standard behaviour for a ListView is that columns are only shown in
details view. Have a look at Explorer in XP, you shouldn't see any column
headers in any other view except details whatever column choices you have
made. They don't make sense since the data in the ListView is not lined up
with the columns. If I switch to an icon view in Vista the headers are
still there and one icon is in a column called 'Name' and the next icon is
in a column called 'Date Modified' and so on, it doesn't make any sense at
all. Just switch between views and look at it :-)

I reckon an MS programmer has missed that completely and nobody has picked
it up.

--
Jeff Gaines

Jeff--

My intent of course was not to muddy waters. It basically was to focus
attention on the one way I know to get the ability to list from among about
130 or more listings for what you call columns.

That's why I included the screenshot to focus on that lower left icon's
right click and that I can choose List View and have no columns or whichever
I want when I want bu invoking that list of checkboxes via the right click
of that lower left icon> clicking the heading MORE.

I will look at XP when I boot to it. I'm on Vista now. I may be able to
open explorer on XP from my Vista desktop, and if I can I will.

Meanwhile if I were you, and you think a developer has overloooked something
I'd try to contact the Shell Team and you can do this via their blog and
they can surely get your comments to the right people and hopefully get you
some feedback.

Again, in Vista I can choose List or any other category and completely
control columns, eliminate them, or do whatever I want.

I can do the same in XP and I use Show in Groups as well. I can list
columns in any view or not, but the checkbox categories are about 25% of the
variety and number in Vista.

Contact Shell Team via this blog:

http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shellblog/default.aspx

Best,

CH


"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6v67cqtdc00d@msnews.microsoft.com...
> On 26/11/2006 in message <OpSW9DaEHHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
> Harris wrote:
>
>>Jeff--
>>
>>The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
>>can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
>>completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
>>left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
>>talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
>>heading "MORE" as I said.
>
> This is getting a bit convoluted!
>
> The standard behaviour for a ListView is that columns are only shown in
> details view. Have a look at Explorer in XP, you shouldn't see any column
> headers in any other view except details whatever column choices you have
> made. They don't make sense since the data in the ListView is not lined up
> with the columns. If I switch to an icon view in Vista the headers are
> still there and one icon is in a column called 'Name' and the next icon is
> in a column called 'Date Modified' and so on, it doesn't make any sense at
> all. Just switch between views and look at it :-)
>
> I reckon an MS programmer has missed that completely and nobody has picked
> it up.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines

On 27/11/2006 in message <#$WlHegEHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
Harris wrote:

>Meanwhile if I were you, and you think a developer has overloooked
>something I'd try to contact the Shell Team and you can do this via their
>blog and they can surely get your comments to the right people and
>hopefully get you some feedback.

I asked in one of the DotNet Groups if this change of behaviour was
something developers should follow and got the following reply:

******************
Hi Jeff,

Yes, you're right. It is a change of behavior in Windows Explorer in Vista.
No matter what kind of view we select for the Windows Explorer, the column
headers are always displayed.

I think one of benefits of this feature is to enable us to sort the
listview in Windows Explorer by clicking the column headers.

Maybe this is a feature that we will follow. But I am not very sure about
it.

******************

And it's right, now that the column headers show all the time you can sort
the folder contents in any view - very neat!

--
Jeff Gaines

There's no way they could have made this mistake. Look at software such as
Folder Size (http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/) it's open source, so it
should be easy to port - and it's very well done.

Question is, WHY ISN'T IT IN VISTA?

-Felix

"Jeff Gaines" wrote:

> On 26/11/2006 in message <OpSW9DaEHHA.3524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Chad
> Harris wrote:
>
> >Jeff--
> >
> >The only column headers that show are the ones I choose to have show and I
> >can change that in any view the way I said or I can make them go away
> >completely by right clicking that folder icon or other icon on the lower
> >left. John Barnes pointed out how you can get a size assessment but I am
> >talking columns that show or don't show according to what I select in the
> >heading "MORE" as I said.
>
> This is getting a bit convoluted!
>
> The standard behaviour for a ListView is that columns are only shown in
> details view. Have a look at Explorer in XP, you shouldn't see any column
> headers in any other view except details whatever column choices you have
> made. They don't make sense since the data in the ListView is not lined up
> with the columns. If I switch to an icon view in Vista the headers are
> still there and one icon is in a column called 'Name' and the next icon is
> in a column called 'Date Modified' and so on, it doesn't make any sense at
> all. Just switch between views and look at it :-)
>
> I reckon an MS programmer has missed that completely and nobody has picked
> it up.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines
>

"Antagonist" <Antagonist@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:73A4FFA8-46C9-43F2-98F5-3AABDA7752CA@microsoft.com...
>
> There's no way they could have made this mistake. Look at software such as
> Folder Size (http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/) it's open source, so it
> should be easy to port - and it's very well done.
>


Have you tried installing this with Vista? Does it work okay?

ss.

Alas, yes I've tried, and no it doesn't work unfortunately. Folder Size works
by writing new column entries, such as "Folder Size, File Children" but they
don't show up in vista. I've e-mailed Folder Size's dev, but he hasn't
replied. *shrug*

His website says it works with vista - but in my experience, it doesn't.

-F

"Synapse Syndrome" wrote:

> "Antagonist" <Antagonist@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:73A4FFA8-46C9-43F2-98F5-3AABDA7752CA@microsoft.com...
> >
> > There's no way they could have made this mistake. Look at software such as
> > Folder Size (http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/) it's open source, so it
> > should be easy to port - and it's very well done.
> >
>
>
> Have you tried installing this with Vista? Does it work okay?
>
> ss.
>
>