Vista - Windows Vista upgrade disk

Well, I sure hope so but it's not what others suggested for the "completely
clean installation".

But if it's true, glad to know.

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:us6KfEVEHHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to
>>> do both.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is it confirmed?
>
> The RTM is the exact DVD image that will be shipping (that's what RTM
> means -
> MS has turned it over to Manufacturing to be pressed into DVDs. There
> will be
> NO further changes before launch). Since the RTM can do both, the
> shipping
> DVDs will do both.
>
> Tom Lake

Yet another thread on this!

It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista upgrade as
well.

Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already happened.
Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the Upgrade
Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until the end
of January, the sale is now!

"Jon Acord" wrote:

> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>
> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista operating
> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking in
> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>
> Users will not be able to:
>
> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I applaud
> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues, is
> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>
> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option of
> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
> appealing.
>
> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to the
> general public of Windows Vista.
>
> Cordially yours,
>
> Jon Acord
>
>
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> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Jon, it has been stated by Darrell Gorter (MSFT) that a clean install can be
done to another volume (read partition), so until I hear otherwise from him,
I am going to assume that he is correct. To my knowledge no Microsoft
employee has stated otherwise.


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
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> Tom we are not talking about the subscriber edition you downloaded from
> MSDN.
> This discussion is concerning the upgrade edition of Vista that will be
> due
> January 30th. This disk is reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be
> started within the OS. From what I have learned it cannot do a clean
> install. Only an upgrade of the existing OS, even if that OS is corrupt,
> or
> has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.
>
> "Tom Lake" wrote:
>
>> > Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>> > operating
>> > system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>> > lacking
>> > in
>> > features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>> >
>> > Users will not be able to:
>> >
>> > 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>> > permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>> > genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>> > applaud
>> > your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>> > upgrade,
>> > should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>> > issues,
>> > is
>> > corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>
>> I used the RTM version (legally obtained on MSDN) to upgrade my test
>> machine's XP but it didn't work out so I did a clean install with the
>> same
>> DVD. It boots AND does an upgrade.
>>
>> Tom Lake
>>
>>

The version you are talking about is the full version, not the one that
checks whether or not a qualifying operating system is present to qualify
for the discount. Full versions will both update and install clean, but do
not have the qualification check.

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:us6KfEVEHHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to
>>> do both.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is it confirmed?
>
> The RTM is the exact DVD image that will be shipping (that's what RTM
> means -
> MS has turned it over to Manufacturing to be pressed into DVDs. There
> will be
> NO further changes before launch). Since the RTM can do both, the
> shipping
> DVDs will do both.
>
> Tom Lake

John Barnes wrote:
> Jon, it has been stated by Darrell Gorter (MSFT) that a clean install
> can be done to another volume (read partition), so until I hear
> otherwise from him, I am going to assume that he is correct. To my
> knowledge no Microsoft employee has stated otherwise.

Which is totally unsatisfactory for the majority of non-technical home users
who will be buying an upgrade package, who may not have a suitable second
partition, won't know how to create one, and won't realise the implications.
But who may well be burned by the Vista upgrade process if they do anything
other than a "clean upgrade".

I agree 100%. My upgrades have been a disaster and the procedure is not
customer friendly, but it will be possible and I'm sure that computer
service departments will be happy to install properly. Lets guess you save
$100 to $150 and pay the computer tech around $75. Might as well go for the
full version and save transporting the computer.


"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Barnes wrote:
>> Jon, it has been stated by Darrell Gorter (MSFT) that a clean install
>> can be done to another volume (read partition), so until I hear
>> otherwise from him, I am going to assume that he is correct. To my
>> knowledge no Microsoft employee has stated otherwise.
>
> Which is totally unsatisfactory for the majority of non-technical home
> users who will be buying an upgrade package, who may not have a suitable
> second partition, won't know how to create one, and won't realise the
> implications. But who may well be burned by the Vista upgrade process if
> they do anything other than a "clean upgrade".
>

That's because it is NOT and UPGRADE edition. It is a full edition. We all
know what the full edition does. It is the Upgrade edition that none of us
have ever seen.

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>> operating
>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
>> in
>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>
>> Users will not be able to:
>>
>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>> applaud
>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
>> is
>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>
> I used the RTM version (legally obtained on MSDN) to upgrade my test
> machine's XP but it didn't work out so I did a clean install with the same
> DVD. It boots AND does an upgrade.
>
> Tom Lake

I'm sorry Tom but you still don't understand what we are talking about. The
only editions available so far ar FULL editions. No Upgrade editions have
been available for download. Of course the full edition can boot the
computer and of course it can either do a clean installation or an upgrade.
But we are looking at what you will get when the Upgrade editions reach the
public in January and it doesn't sound like the kind of Upgrade edition we
got with XP.

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:us6KfEVEHHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to
>>> do both.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is it confirmed?
>
> The RTM is the exact DVD image that will be shipping (that's what RTM
> means -
> MS has turned it over to Manufacturing to be pressed into DVDs. There
> will be
> NO further changes before launch). Since the RTM can do both, the
> shipping
> DVDs will do both.
>
> Tom Lake

However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and in many
cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).

"cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Yet another thread on this!
>
> It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista upgrade as
> well.
>
> Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already happened.
> Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the
> Upgrade
> Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until the
> end
> of January, the sale is now!
>
> "Jon Acord" wrote:
>
>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>
>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>> operating
>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
>> in
>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>
>> Users will not be able to:
>>
>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>> applaud
>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
>> is
>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>
>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
>> of
>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
>> appealing.
>>
>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>> the
>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>
>> Cordially yours,
>>
>> Jon Acord
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

Pssst Jupiter,
Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
lol
Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
LOL

Jeff

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
> appropriate channel.
> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>
>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>> operating
>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
>> in
>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>
>> Users will not be able to:
>>
>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>> applaud
>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
>> is
>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>
>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
>> of
>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
>> appealing.
>>
>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>> the
>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>
>> Cordially yours,
>>
>> Jon Acord
>>
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>