Vista - Windows Vista upgrade disk

I like their personal approach too Robert~lol

Jeff

"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:OVXttSUEHHA.4208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Jon Acord wrote:
>> Yes I did send this in directly to Microsoft. The reply so far was:
>> Hello Jon,
>>
>> Thank you for writing to us at microsoft.com.
>>
>> We are sorry that your experience with our insert Product or Service
>> was less than acceptable. We will be forwarding your comments to the
>> appropriate Microsoft group, which will use your feedback when
>> planning and evaluating future enhancements.
>
> "Insert Product or Service" eh? It's those personal touches that matter so
> much!
>

Seems to depend on the OEM, Colin. Some appear to be using third party
fulfillment operations to provide the standard package. Lenovo even has an
option where you merely go out and purchase the upgrade package and send in
the receipt for a full refund. The latter is interesting since it represents
the only example I've seen for a free upgrade from XP Home right to Vista
Home Premium.

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
> Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and in many
> cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
>
> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CCC5DE62-D863-4424-BA59-055207EF4A36@microsoft.com...
> > Yet another thread on this!
> >
> > It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista upgrade as
> > well.
> >
> > Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already happened.
> > Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the
> > Upgrade
> > Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until the
> > end
> > of January, the sale is now!
> >
> > "Jon Acord" wrote:
> >
> >> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
> >>
> >> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
> >> operating
> >> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
> >> in
> >> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
> >>
> >> Users will not be able to:
> >>
> >> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
> >> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
> >> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
> >> applaud
> >> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
> >> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
> >> is
> >> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
> >>
> >> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
> >> of
> >> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
> >> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
> >> appealing.
> >>
> >> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
> >> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
> >> the
> >> general public of Windows Vista.
> >>
> >> Cordially yours,
> >>
> >> Jon Acord
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> "I
> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> this
> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> then
> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >>
> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>
>
>

No Jeff, they are not officially monitored by Microsoft.
When Microsoft employees are here, they do so on their own time.
An exception , which you seem to vaguely imply, is the managed newsgroups.
But even those only apply to current subscribers who are also properly
registered in the newsgroups.
The specific newsgroup also has to be managed since not all newsgroups are.
There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get the
suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
details.
You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
message from these newsgroups.
That is why Jon did the right thing and contacted Microsoft through the
appropriate channel.

Furthermore, the chance that an employee from the specific product group
desired for a specific message is slim to none.
Read my post again, you seem to have missed a few details.
There is no requirement or expectation that a Microsoft employee seeing a
message forward it to the appropriate product group.

There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get the
suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
details.
You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
message from these newsgroups.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Pssst Jupiter,
> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
> lol
> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
> LOL
>
> Jeff
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
>> appropriate channel.
>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>
>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>> operating
>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>> lacking in
>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>
>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>
>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>> applaud
>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>> upgrade,
>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>> issues, is
>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>
>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
>>> of
>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
>>> appealing.
>>>
>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>>> the
>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>
>>> Cordially yours,
>>>
>>> Jon Acord
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>
>

Unfortunately that is often all you get.
But at least that way the chances of the proper person getting the message
far more probable.

If you are really concerned, also send a letter by snail mail.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:95A1963E-5C7A-42D8-A9ED-3498532F7FCD@microsoft.com...
> Yes I did send this in directly to Microsoft. The reply so far was:
> Hello Jon,
>
> Thank you for writing to us at microsoft.com.
>
> We are sorry that your experience with our insert Product or Service was
> less than acceptable. We will be forwarding your comments to the
> appropriate
> Microsoft group, which will use your feedback when planning and evaluating
> future enhancements.
>
> Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.
>
>
>
> Devaiah
>
> Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
>
>
>
> If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience,
> please e-mail my manager, Sujith Sadasivan, at managers@microsoft.com
>
> So, looks like we will have to sit back and see what happens together!
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
>> appropriate channel.
>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>> > To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>> >
>> > Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>> > operating
>> > system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>> > lacking
>> > in
>> > features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>> >
>> > Users will not be able to:
>> >
>> > 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>> > permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>> > genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>> > applaud
>> > your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>> > upgrade,
>> > should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>> > issues,
>> > is
>> > corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>> >
>> > 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>> > option
>> > of
>> > booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>> > commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>> > less
>> > appealing.
>> >
>> > To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>> > respectfully
>> > request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>> > the
>> > general public of Windows Vista.
>> >
>> > Cordially yours,
>> >
>> > Jon Acord
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> > "I
>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> > this
>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> > then
>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >
>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>
>>

Hi Jeff,

Monitored? No, they aren't. There is an occasional post by a 'softie, but
that is done voluntarily and on their own time. No one actively monitors
these public groups, though some may look in from time to time.

Now, Technet and MSDN groups available to those with paid subscriptions are
a different story. Those have employees assigned and paid to monitor and
respond in. Don't confuse them with these public groups.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Pssst Jupiter,
> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
> lol
> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
> LOL
>
> Jeff
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
>> appropriate channel.
>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>
>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>> operating
>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>> lacking in
>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>
>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>
>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>> applaud
>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>> upgrade,
>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>> issues, is
>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>
>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
>>> of
>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
>>> appealing.
>>>
>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>>> the
>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>
>>> Cordially yours,
>>>
>>> Jon Acord
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------
>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>
>

Umm,

If having an appropriate MSFT employee respond to a post of a registered
technet subscriber;within 24 hours; is not monitoring a ng; Jupiter; then I
don't know what you consider monitored..
O.k.
Maybe not these specific Vista one's, yet.
But trust me;they will be.
And it's not vague; whatsoever.
Your blanket statements are starting to annoy Jupiter,
as is your flippant attitude
Don't need ta reread Jupiter; as I am VERY aware of what's up.

Psst.
Been around them a bit; some of which, ng's; you'de might suprised to learn
(ask some of your constituents)

Jeff

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:%23qU2iWZEHHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No Jeff, they are not officially monitored by Microsoft.
> When Microsoft employees are here, they do so on their own time.
> An exception , which you seem to vaguely imply, is the managed newsgroups.
> But even those only apply to current subscribers who are also properly
> registered in the newsgroups.
> The specific newsgroup also has to be managed since not all newsgroups
> are.
> There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get the
> suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
> details.
> You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
> message from these newsgroups.
> That is why Jon did the right thing and contacted Microsoft through the
> appropriate channel.
>
> Furthermore, the chance that an employee from the specific product group
> desired for a specific message is slim to none.
> Read my post again, you seem to have missed a few details.
> There is no requirement or expectation that a Microsoft employee seeing a
> message forward it to the appropriate product group.
>
> There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get the
> suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
> details.
> You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
> message from these newsgroups.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Pssst Jupiter,
>> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
>> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
>> lol
>> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
>> LOL
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
>>> appropriate channel.
>>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>
>>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>> operating
>>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>> lacking in
>>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>
>>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>>> applaud
>>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>> upgrade,
>>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>> issues, is
>>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>> option of
>>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>> less
>>>> appealing.
>>>>
>>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>> respectfully
>>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>>>> the
>>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>
>>>> Jon Acord
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>>> "I
>>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>>> this
>>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>>> then
>>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>
>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>
>

Rick,

Same exact ng's..
Not Vista;yet

Jeff

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23fdbkaZEHHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Monitored? No, they aren't. There is an occasional post by a 'softie, but
> that is done voluntarily and on their own time. No one actively monitors
> these public groups, though some may look in from time to time.
>
> Now, Technet and MSDN groups available to those with paid subscriptions
> are a different story. Those have employees assigned and paid to monitor
> and respond in. Don't confuse them with these public groups.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Pssst Jupiter,
>> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
>> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
>> lol
>> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
>> LOL
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
>>> appropriate channel.
>>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>
>>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>> operating
>>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>> lacking in
>>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>
>>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>>> applaud
>>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>> upgrade,
>>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>> issues, is
>>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>> option of
>>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>> less
>>>> appealing.
>>>>
>>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>> respectfully
>>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>>>> the
>>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>
>>>> Jon Acord
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>>> "I
>>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>>> this
>>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>>> then
>>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>
>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>
>

Hi,
btw-lol
Jeff

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23fdbkaZEHHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Monitored? No, they aren't. There is an occasional post by a 'softie, but
> that is done voluntarily and on their own time. No one actively monitors
> these public groups, though some may look in from time to time.
>
> Now, Technet and MSDN groups available to those with paid subscriptions
> are a different story. Those have employees assigned and paid to monitor
> and respond in. Don't confuse them with these public groups.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Pssst Jupiter,
>> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
>> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
>> lol
>> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
>> LOL
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
>>> appropriate channel.
>>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>
>>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>> operating
>>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>> lacking in
>>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>
>>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>>> applaud
>>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>> upgrade,
>>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>> issues, is
>>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>> option of
>>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>> less
>>>> appealing.
>>>>
>>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>> respectfully
>>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
>>>> the
>>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>
>>>> Jon Acord
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------
>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>>> "I
>>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>>> this
>>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>>> then
>>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>
>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>
>

Correct. Gateway, Dell, HP, all do their own customizations but the smaller
system builders are not likely to mess with it. I was reading the long list
of OEM's and there were many variations on the theme both in procedure and
pricing, whether or not they add shipping and handling, and so on.

The big houses will most likely provide a specialized dvd that is the
standard upgrade dvd customized to only operate on the model machine you
purchased. I know Compaq did that when they were selling machines in 2001
with ME preinstalled and were providing upgrade coupons for XP Home. I
bought one. I wound up buying XP Pro (full edition) and doing my own
upgrade. Had a bit of a problem with drivers at first but it came out well.

"cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E88A0D15-5FBF-4928-B94E-BDD06E1CC99E@microsoft.com...
> Seems to depend on the OEM, Colin. Some appear to be using third party
> fulfillment operations to provide the standard package. Lenovo even has an
> option where you merely go out and purchase the upgrade package and send
> in
> the receipt for a full refund. The latter is interesting since it
> represents
> the only example I've seen for a free upgrade from XP Home right to Vista
> Home Premium.
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
>> Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and in
>> many
>> cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
>>
>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:CCC5DE62-D863-4424-BA59-055207EF4A36@microsoft.com...
>> > Yet another thread on this!
>> >
>> > It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista upgrade
>> > as
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already
>> > happened.
>> > Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the
>> > Upgrade
>> > Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until
>> > the
>> > end
>> > of January, the sale is now!
>> >
>> > "Jon Acord" wrote:
>> >
>> >> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>> >>
>> >> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>> >> operating
>> >> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>> >> lacking
>> >> in
>> >> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>> >>
>> >> Users will not be able to:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only
>> >> is
>> >> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>> >> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>> >> applaud
>> >> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>> >> upgrade,
>> >> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>> >> issues,
>> >> is
>> >> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>> >> option
>> >> of
>> >> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>> >> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>> >> less
>> >> appealing.
>> >>
>> >> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>> >> respectfully
>> >> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release
>> >> to
>> >> the
>> >> general public of Windows Vista.
>> >>
>> >> Cordially yours,
>> >>
>> >> Jon Acord
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----------------
>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>> >> the
>> >> "I
>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>> >> follow
>> >> this
>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> >> then
>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >>
>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>
>>
>>

Hi again Colin,
just sayin hi-lol
how's the pc doing?

Jeff

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23g05f$ZEHHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Correct. Gateway, Dell, HP, all do their own customizations but the
> smaller system builders are not likely to mess with it. I was reading the
> long list of OEM's and there were many variations on the theme both in
> procedure and pricing, whether or not they add shipping and handling, and
> so on.
>
> The big houses will most likely provide a specialized dvd that is the
> standard upgrade dvd customized to only operate on the model machine you
> purchased. I know Compaq did that when they were selling machines in 2001
> with ME preinstalled and were providing upgrade coupons for XP Home. I
> bought one. I wound up buying XP Pro (full edition) and doing my own
> upgrade. Had a bit of a problem with drivers at first but it came out
> well.
>
> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E88A0D15-5FBF-4928-B94E-BDD06E1CC99E@microsoft.com...
>> Seems to depend on the OEM, Colin. Some appear to be using third party
>> fulfillment operations to provide the standard package. Lenovo even has
>> an
>> option where you merely go out and purchase the upgrade package and send
>> in
>> the receipt for a full refund. The latter is interesting since it
>> represents
>> the only example I've seen for a free upgrade from XP Home right to Vista
>> Home Premium.
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>>> However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
>>> Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and in
>>> many
>>> cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
>>>
>>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:CCC5DE62-D863-4424-BA59-055207EF4A36@microsoft.com...
>>> > Yet another thread on this!
>>> >
>>> > It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista
>>> > upgrade as
>>> > well.
>>> >
>>> > Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already
>>> > happened.
>>> > Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the
>>> > Upgrade
>>> > Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until
>>> > the
>>> > end
>>> > of January, the sale is now!
>>> >
>>> > "Jon Acord" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>> >> operating
>>> >> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>> >> lacking
>>> >> in
>>> >> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>> >>
>>> >> Users will not be able to:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only
>>> >> is
>>> >> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>> >> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>> >> applaud
>>> >> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>> >> upgrade,
>>> >> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>> >> issues,
>>> >> is
>>> >> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>> >> option
>>> >> of
>>> >> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>> >> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>> >> less
>>> >> appealing.
>>> >>
>>> >> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>> >> respectfully
>>> >> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release
>>> >> to
>>> >> the
>>> >> general public of Windows Vista.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cordially yours,
>>> >>
>>> >> Jon Acord
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----------------
>>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>> >> the
>>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>> >> the
>>> >> "I
>>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>> >> follow
>>> >> this
>>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> >> then
>>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>