Vista - Windows Vista upgrade disk

Read the last paragraph of my post and also read Ricks post.
The question was asked in this Vista newsgroup.
Whether this newsgroup will be managed in the future is irrelevant.
If the newsgroup is not managed today or the question is not asked by a
properly registered subscriber, there is no expectation of an answer.

Also the managed newsgroups are "to get answers to your break-fix
questions." and the OPs suggestion does not apply.
So there is no requirement or expectation even if the group was managed and
the user properly registered.

Read this for more details:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...427.aspx#bp_sd

And that takes us back to my original reply to the OP.
The OP stated he communicated with Microsoft through an appropriate channel.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:ej9Qf6ZEHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Umm,
>
> If having an appropriate MSFT employee respond to a post of a registered
> technet subscriber;within 24 hours; is not monitoring a ng; Jupiter; then
> I don't know what you consider monitored..
> O.k.
> Maybe not these specific Vista one's, yet.
> But trust me;they will be.
> And it's not vague; whatsoever.
> Your blanket statements are starting to annoy Jupiter,
> as is your flippant attitude
> Don't need ta reread Jupiter; as I am VERY aware of what's up.
>
> Psst.
> Been around them a bit; some of which, ng's; you'de might suprised to
> learn (ask some of your constituents)
>
> Jeff

fine- i give-lol
psst, just quit makin blanket statements-it doesn't suit ya well.
ya really need ta take some time off
lol

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:Oft%23iIaEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Read the last paragraph of my post and also read Ricks post.
> The question was asked in this Vista newsgroup.
> Whether this newsgroup will be managed in the future is irrelevant.
> If the newsgroup is not managed today or the question is not asked by a
> properly registered subscriber, there is no expectation of an answer.
>
> Also the managed newsgroups are "to get answers to your break-fix
> questions." and the OPs suggestion does not apply.
> So there is no requirement or expectation even if the group was managed
> and the user properly registered.
>
> Read this for more details:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...427.aspx#bp_sd
>
> And that takes us back to my original reply to the OP.
> The OP stated he communicated with Microsoft through an appropriate
> channel.
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:ej9Qf6ZEHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Umm,
>>
>> If having an appropriate MSFT employee respond to a post of a registered
>> technet subscriber;within 24 hours; is not monitoring a ng; Jupiter; then
>> I don't know what you consider monitored..
>> O.k.
>> Maybe not these specific Vista one's, yet.
>> But trust me;they will be.
>> And it's not vague; whatsoever.
>> Your blanket statements are starting to annoy Jupiter,
>> as is your flippant attitude
>> Don't need ta reread Jupiter; as I am VERY aware of what's up.
>>
>> Psst.
>> Been around them a bit; some of which, ng's; you'de might suprised to
>> learn (ask some of your constituents)
>>
>> Jeff
>

I'm sorry, but you are not correct. Please note that this ng is hosted on
msnews.microsoft.com. That is the public server and no ng's on msnews are
managed newsgroups. All exist for peer-to-peer self help. Managed
newsgroups are on servers like privatenews.microsoft.com and others.

"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:ej9Qf6ZEHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Umm,
>
> If having an appropriate MSFT employee respond to a post of a registered
> technet subscriber;within 24 hours; is not monitoring a ng; Jupiter; then
> I don't know what you consider monitored..
> O.k.
> Maybe not these specific Vista one's, yet.
> But trust me;they will be.
> And it's not vague; whatsoever.
> Your blanket statements are starting to annoy Jupiter,
> as is your flippant attitude
> Don't need ta reread Jupiter; as I am VERY aware of what's up.
>
> Psst.
> Been around them a bit; some of which, ng's; you'de might suprised to
> learn (ask some of your constituents)
>
> Jeff
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23qU2iWZEHHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> No Jeff, they are not officially monitored by Microsoft.
>> When Microsoft employees are here, they do so on their own time.
>> An exception , which you seem to vaguely imply, is the managed
>> newsgroups.
>> But even those only apply to current subscribers who are also properly
>> registered in the newsgroups.
>> The specific newsgroup also has to be managed since not all newsgroups
>> are.
>> There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get the
>> suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
>> details.
>> You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
>> message from these newsgroups.
>> That is why Jon did the right thing and contacted Microsoft through the
>> appropriate channel.
>>
>> Furthermore, the chance that an employee from the specific product group
>> desired for a specific message is slim to none.
>> Read my post again, you seem to have missed a few details.
>> There is no requirement or expectation that a Microsoft employee seeing a
>> message forward it to the appropriate product group.
>>
>> There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get the
>> suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
>> details.
>> You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
>> message from these newsgroups.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Pssst Jupiter,
>>> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
>>> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
>>> lol
>>> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>>>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using
>>>> an appropriate channel.
>>>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>>> operating
>>>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>>> lacking in
>>>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only
>>>>> is
>>>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>>>> applaud
>>>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>>> upgrade,
>>>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>>> issues, is
>>>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>>> option of
>>>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>>> less
>>>>> appealing.
>>>>>
>>>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>>> respectfully
>>>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release
>>>>> to the
>>>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Acord
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------
>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>>>> the "I
>>>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>>> follow this
>>>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>>>> then
>>>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

The Core 2 Duo box is going great guns. XP Pro x64 is doing so well on it I
decided not to upgrade it to Vista for a while. The AMD64 x2 box however
absolutely rocks with Vista x64. No hassles with rtm whatsoever.

"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:ORGr5AaEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi again Colin,
> just sayin hi-lol
> how's the pc doing?
>
> Jeff
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23g05f$ZEHHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Correct. Gateway, Dell, HP, all do their own customizations but the
>> smaller system builders are not likely to mess with it. I was reading
>> the long list of OEM's and there were many variations on the theme both
>> in procedure and pricing, whether or not they add shipping and handling,
>> and so on.
>>
>> The big houses will most likely provide a specialized dvd that is the
>> standard upgrade dvd customized to only operate on the model machine you
>> purchased. I know Compaq did that when they were selling machines in
>> 2001 with ME preinstalled and were providing upgrade coupons for XP Home.
>> I bought one. I wound up buying XP Pro (full edition) and doing my own
>> upgrade. Had a bit of a problem with drivers at first but it came out
>> well.
>>
>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E88A0D15-5FBF-4928-B94E-BDD06E1CC99E@microsoft.com...
>>> Seems to depend on the OEM, Colin. Some appear to be using third party
>>> fulfillment operations to provide the standard package. Lenovo even has
>>> an
>>> option where you merely go out and purchase the upgrade package and send
>>> in
>>> the receipt for a full refund. The latter is interesting since it
>>> represents
>>> the only example I've seen for a free upgrade from XP Home right to
>>> Vista
>>> Home Premium.
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
>>>> Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and in
>>>> many
>>>> cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
>>>>
>>>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:CCC5DE62-D863-4424-BA59-055207EF4A36@microsoft.com...
>>>> > Yet another thread on this!
>>>> >
>>>> > It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista
>>>> > upgrade as
>>>> > well.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already
>>>> > happened.
>>>> > Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the
>>>> > Upgrade
>>>> > Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed until
>>>> > the
>>>> > end
>>>> > of January, the sale is now!
>>>> >
>>>> > "Jon Acord" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>> >> operating
>>>> >> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>> >> lacking
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Users will not be able to:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a
>>>> >> verified
>>>> >> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>>> >> applaud
>>>> >> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>> >> upgrade,
>>>> >> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>> >> issues,
>>>> >> is
>>>> >> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>> >> option
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore
>>>> >> features
>>>> >> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>> >> less
>>>> >> appealing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>> >> respectfully
>>>> >> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cordially yours,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Jon Acord
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----------------
>>>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> "I
>>>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>> >> follow
>>>> >> this
>>>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> then
>>>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

psst,
sorry your wrong colin-they're on msnews.microsoft.com

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:O9Sl8baEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I'm sorry, but you are not correct. Please note that this ng is hosted on
> msnews.microsoft.com. That is the public server and no ng's on msnews are
> managed newsgroups. All exist for peer-to-peer self help. Managed
> newsgroups are on servers like privatenews.microsoft.com and others.
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:ej9Qf6ZEHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Umm,
>>
>> If having an appropriate MSFT employee respond to a post of a registered
>> technet subscriber;within 24 hours; is not monitoring a ng; Jupiter; then
>> I don't know what you consider monitored..
>> O.k.
>> Maybe not these specific Vista one's, yet.
>> But trust me;they will be.
>> And it's not vague; whatsoever.
>> Your blanket statements are starting to annoy Jupiter,
>> as is your flippant attitude
>> Don't need ta reread Jupiter; as I am VERY aware of what's up.
>>
>> Psst.
>> Been around them a bit; some of which, ng's; you'de might suprised to
>> learn (ask some of your constituents)
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23qU2iWZEHHA.4404@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> No Jeff, they are not officially monitored by Microsoft.
>>> When Microsoft employees are here, they do so on their own time.
>>> An exception , which you seem to vaguely imply, is the managed
>>> newsgroups.
>>> But even those only apply to current subscribers who are also properly
>>> registered in the newsgroups.
>>> The specific newsgroup also has to be managed since not all newsgroups
>>> are.
>>> There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get
>>> the suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
>>> details.
>>> You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
>>> message from these newsgroups.
>>> That is why Jon did the right thing and contacted Microsoft through the
>>> appropriate channel.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, the chance that an employee from the specific product group
>>> desired for a specific message is slim to none.
>>> Read my post again, you seem to have missed a few details.
>>> There is no requirement or expectation that a Microsoft employee seeing
>>> a message forward it to the appropriate product group.
>>>
>>> There is no expectation or requirement that anyone from Microsoft get
>>> the suggestions.Read the information referring to Managed Newsgroups for
>>> details.
>>> You will discover there is no reason to expect Microsoft to get Jon's
>>> message from these newsgroups.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:u$JKwuYEHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Pssst Jupiter,
>>>> Not that ya've noticed; or are familiar with technet subscriptions; but
>>>> these ng's are INDEED monitored by MSFT, just an FYI!!
>>>> lol
>>>> Might wanna come out of the mvp rooms once and awhile!!
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23J%23uccTEHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
>>>>> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using
>>>>> an appropriate channel.
>>>>> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>>>>> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>>>> operating
>>>>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>>>> lacking in
>>>>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>>>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>>>>> applaud
>>>>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>>>> upgrade,
>>>>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>>>> issues, is
>>>>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>>>> option of
>>>>>> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
>>>>>> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> appealing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>>>> respectfully
>>>>>> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cordially yours,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jon Acord
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------
>>>>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>>>>> the "I
>>>>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>>>> follow this
>>>>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

So,
IYOH,
is 64 the way to go?
Not lookin for awhile yet, but since you've been playin with one, whatcha
think?

Jeff

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OfQxfdaEHHA.1748@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The Core 2 Duo box is going great guns. XP Pro x64 is doing so well on it
> I decided not to upgrade it to Vista for a while. The AMD64 x2 box
> however absolutely rocks with Vista x64. No hassles with rtm whatsoever.
>
> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
> news:ORGr5AaEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi again Colin,
>> just sayin hi-lol
>> how's the pc doing?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23g05f$ZEHHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Correct. Gateway, Dell, HP, all do their own customizations but the
>>> smaller system builders are not likely to mess with it. I was reading
>>> the long list of OEM's and there were many variations on the theme both
>>> in procedure and pricing, whether or not they add shipping and handling,
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> The big houses will most likely provide a specialized dvd that is the
>>> standard upgrade dvd customized to only operate on the model machine you
>>> purchased. I know Compaq did that when they were selling machines in
>>> 2001 with ME preinstalled and were providing upgrade coupons for XP
>>> Home. I bought one. I wound up buying XP Pro (full edition) and doing
>>> my own upgrade. Had a bit of a problem with drivers at first but it
>>> came out well.
>>>
>>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:E88A0D15-5FBF-4928-B94E-BDD06E1CC99E@microsoft.com...
>>>> Seems to depend on the OEM, Colin. Some appear to be using third party
>>>> fulfillment operations to provide the standard package. Lenovo even has
>>>> an
>>>> option where you merely go out and purchase the upgrade package and
>>>> send in
>>>> the receipt for a full refund. The latter is interesting since it
>>>> represents
>>>> the only example I've seen for a free upgrade from XP Home right to
>>>> Vista
>>>> Home Premium.
>>>>
>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed, retail
>>>>> Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and
>>>>> in many
>>>>> cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
>>>>>
>>>>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:CCC5DE62-D863-4424-BA59-055207EF4A36@microsoft.com...
>>>>> > Yet another thread on this!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista
>>>>> > upgrade as
>>>>> > well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already
>>>>> > happened.
>>>>> > Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through the
>>>>> > Upgrade
>>>>> > Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed
>>>>> > until the
>>>>> > end
>>>>> > of January, the sale is now!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Jon Acord" wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>>> >> operating
>>>>> >> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>>> >> lacking
>>>>> >> in
>>>>> >> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Users will not be able to:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade
>>>>> >> only is
>>>>> >> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a
>>>>> >> verified
>>>>> >> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy.
>>>>> >> I
>>>>> >> applaud
>>>>> >> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>>> >> upgrade,
>>>>> >> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>>> >> issues,
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>>> >> option
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore
>>>>> >> features
>>>>> >> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it
>>>>> >> less
>>>>> >> appealing.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>>> >> respectfully
>>>>> >> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent
>>>>> >> release to
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cordially yours,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Jon Acord
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----------------
>>>>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> "I
>>>>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>>> >> follow
>>>>> >> this
>>>>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> then
>>>>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

On 26/11/2006 in message <O9Sl8baEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> Colin
Barnhorst wrote:

>I'm sorry, but you are not correct. Please note that this ng is hosted on
>msnews.microsoft.com. That is the public server and no ng's on msnews are
>managed newsgroups. All exist for peer-to-peer self help. Managed
>newsgroups are on servers like privatenews.microsoft.com and others.

That's incorrect, the MSDN site says:

"There are more than 220 MSDN Managed Newsgroups currently being offered
as part of the NNTP USENET public newsgroups. Because the MSDN Managed
Newsgroups are part of the NNTP Public USENET hierarchy, you are not
required to log on to Microsoft to gain access to these newsgroups. For a
list of MSDN Managed Newsgroups please visit"

I've left the link off because I think you need to be logged on to see it.

--
Jeff Gaines

If you're a technophile or buying a new system, yes. Just to do it, no. XP
Pro x64 is not an upgrade to XP SP2, just an alternative. They are feature
identical. Having said that, x64 is the stablist OS I have ever seen. It
just not go down like x86. The reason is that it was built on Windows
Server 2003 SP1 as a code base and not on XP x86. If you are moving up to
Vista then I would recommend x64 from the beginning.

"Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
news:emY0amaEHHA.3520@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> So,
> IYOH,
> is 64 the way to go?
> Not lookin for awhile yet, but since you've been playin with one, whatcha
> think?
>
> Jeff
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:OfQxfdaEHHA.1748@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The Core 2 Duo box is going great guns. XP Pro x64 is doing so well on
>> it I decided not to upgrade it to Vista for a while. The AMD64 x2 box
>> however absolutely rocks with Vista x64. No hassles with rtm whatsoever.
>>
>> "Jeff" <S.Cerevesiae@umm.edu> wrote in message
>> news:ORGr5AaEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi again Colin,
>>> just sayin hi-lol
>>> how's the pc doing?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23g05f$ZEHHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Correct. Gateway, Dell, HP, all do their own customizations but the
>>>> smaller system builders are not likely to mess with it. I was reading
>>>> the long list of OEM's and there were many variations on the theme both
>>>> in procedure and pricing, whether or not they add shipping and
>>>> handling, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> The big houses will most likely provide a specialized dvd that is the
>>>> standard upgrade dvd customized to only operate on the model machine
>>>> you purchased. I know Compaq did that when they were selling machines
>>>> in 2001 with ME preinstalled and were providing upgrade coupons for XP
>>>> Home. I bought one. I wound up buying XP Pro (full edition) and doing
>>>> my own upgrade. Had a bit of a problem with drivers at first but it
>>>> came out well.
>>>>
>>>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:E88A0D15-5FBF-4928-B94E-BDD06E1CC99E@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Seems to depend on the OEM, Colin. Some appear to be using third party
>>>>> fulfillment operations to provide the standard package. Lenovo even
>>>>> has an
>>>>> option where you merely go out and purchase the upgrade package and
>>>>> send in
>>>>> the receipt for a full refund. The latter is interesting since it
>>>>> represents
>>>>> the only example I've seen for a free upgrade from XP Home right to
>>>>> Vista
>>>>> Home Premium.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> However, those upgrade media will not be the same as the boxed,
>>>>>> retail
>>>>>> Upgrade edition. They are modified to suit the needs of the OEM and
>>>>>> in many
>>>>>> cases will be BIOS locked to the machine (SLA).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "cvp" <cvp@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:CCC5DE62-D863-4424-BA59-055207EF4A36@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> > Yet another thread on this!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It's a shame you didn't also mention the 32-bit to 64-bit Vista
>>>>>> > upgrade as
>>>>>> > well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Also I'd point out that "imminent release" has actually already
>>>>>> > happened.
>>>>>> > Upgrade copies are already being sold with PCs right now through
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > Upgrade
>>>>>> > Express program. Only the DELIVERY of those upgrades is delayed
>>>>>> > until the
>>>>>> > end
>>>>>> > of January, the sale is now!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "Jon Acord" wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>>>>> >> operating
>>>>>> >> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>>>>> >> lacking
>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>> >> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Users will not be able to:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade
>>>>>> >> only is
>>>>>> >> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a
>>>>>> >> verified
>>>>>> >> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy.
>>>>>> >> I
>>>>>> >> applaud
>>>>>> >> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>>>>> >> upgrade,
>>>>>> >> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>>>>> >> issues,
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the
>>>>>> >> option
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore
>>>>>> >> features
>>>>>> >> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes
>>>>>> >> it less
>>>>>> >> appealing.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I
>>>>>> >> respectfully
>>>>>> >> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent
>>>>>> >> release to
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> general public of Windows Vista.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Cordially yours,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Jon Acord
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----------------
>>>>>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion,
>>>>>> >> click the
>>>>>> >> "I
>>>>>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>>>>>> >> follow
>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> then
>>>>>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

My original plan was to get Home Premium upgrade and Word 2007.
I was until a few days ago thinking of upgrading to Vista ULTIMATE and
Office Home and Student.
If the "upgrade" version is the way it appears to be (No boot from DVD,no
clean install) I may even end up deciding on maybe JUST getting Word 2007
and stick with XP.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:u$uwOoXEHHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> That's because it is NOT and UPGRADE edition. It is a full edition. We
> all know what the full edition does. It is the Upgrade edition that none
> of us have ever seen.
>
> "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:OtQYV$TEHHA.3820@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
>>> operating
>>> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is
>>> lacking in
>>> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>>>
>>> Users will not be able to:
>>>
>>> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
>>> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
>>> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
>>> applaud
>>> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to
>>> upgrade,
>>> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain
>>> issues, is
>>> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>>
>> I used the RTM version (legally obtained on MSDN) to upgrade my test
>> machine's XP but it didn't work out so I did a clean install with the
>> same DVD. It boots AND does an upgrade.
>>
>> Tom Lake
>
>