Vista - Windows Vista upgrade disk

To the people who run Microsoft I would say:

Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista operating
system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking in
features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.

Users will not be able to:

1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I applaud
your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues, is
corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.

2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option of
booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
appealing.

To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to the
general public of Windows Vista.

Cordially yours,

Jon Acord


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"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
> To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
>
> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
> operating
> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
> in
> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>
> Users will not be able to:
>
> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
> applaud
> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
> is
> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>
> 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
> of
> booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
> commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
> appealing.
>
> To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
> request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
> the
> general public of Windows Vista.
>
> Cordially yours,
>
> Jon Acord
>
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

> Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
> operating
> system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
> in
> features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
>
> Users will not be able to:
>
> 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
> permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
> genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
> applaud
> your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
> should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
> is
> corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.

I used the RTM version (legally obtained on MSDN) to upgrade my test
machine's XP but it didn't work out so I did a clean install with the same
DVD. It boots AND does an upgrade.

Tom Lake

Yes I did send this in directly to Microsoft. The reply so far was:
Hello Jon,

Thank you for writing to us at microsoft.com.

We are sorry that your experience with our insert Product or Service was
less than acceptable. We will be forwarding your comments to the appropriate
Microsoft group, which will use your feedback when planning and evaluating
future enhancements.

Thank you for using Microsoft products and services.



Devaiah

Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative



If you have any feedback about your Online Customer Service experience,
please e-mail my manager, Sujith Sadasivan, at managers@microsoft.com

So, looks like we will have to sit back and see what happens together!


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Since these peer to peer newsgroups are officially not monitored by
> Microsoft, hopefully you have sent your suggestion to Microsoft using an
> appropriate channel.
> Otherwise it is likely Microsoft may never see your suggestion.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:65D82EC5-7D34-4C16-AC86-9BB0D64EB853@microsoft.com...
> > To the people who run Microsoft I would say:
> >
> > Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
> > operating
> > system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
> > in
> > features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
> >
> > Users will not be able to:
> >
> > 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
> > permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
> > genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
> > applaud
> > your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
> > should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
> > is
> > corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
> >
> > 2. Users who purchase an upgrade disk apparently do not have the option
> > of
> > booting the disk to access the repair diagnostics or restore features
> > commonly found with the previous version of Windows. This makes it less
> > appealing.
> >
> > To insure continued good faith on both sides of the fence I respectfully
> > request that these issues be addressed prior to the imminent release to
> > the
> > general public of Windows Vista.
> >
> > Cordially yours,
> >
> > Jon Acord
> >
> >
> > ----------------
> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> > this
> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>
>

Jon Acord wrote:
> Yes I did send this in directly to Microsoft. The reply so far was:
> Hello Jon,
>
> Thank you for writing to us at microsoft.com.
>
> We are sorry that your experience with our insert Product or Service
> was less than acceptable. We will be forwarding your comments to the
> appropriate Microsoft group, which will use your feedback when
> planning and evaluating future enhancements.

"Insert Product or Service" eh? It's those personal touches that matter so
much!

Tom we are not talking about the subscriber edition you downloaded from MSDN.
This discussion is concerning the upgrade edition of Vista that will be due
January 30th. This disk is reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be
started within the OS. From what I have learned it cannot do a clean
install. Only an upgrade of the existing OS, even if that OS is corrupt, or
has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.

"Tom Lake" wrote:

> > Dear people; Upon investigation of the forth coming Windows Vista
> > operating
> > system it has come to my attention that the Vista upgrade disk is lacking
> > in
> > features that the previous OS Windows Xp boasted.
> >
> > Users will not be able to:
> >
> > 1. Do a clean install of the OS. I understand that an upgrade only is
> > permitted. It is understood that this must be done within a verified
> > genuine, activated copy of the operating system to thwart piracy. I
> > applaud
> > your efforts in that respect. However, Users who have chosen to upgrade,
> > should have the option of a new install. If their Xp has certain issues,
> > is
> > corrupt, the option of a clean install would be a logical choice.
>
> I used the RTM version (legally obtained on MSDN) to upgrade my test
> machine's XP but it didn't work out so I did a clean install with the same
> DVD. It boots AND does an upgrade.
>
> Tom Lake
>
>

"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:70745C57-447B-47C3-AAC0-7007AEC1272E@microsoft.com...
> Tom we are not talking about the subscriber edition you downloaded from
> MSDN.
> This discussion is concerning the upgrade edition of Vista that will be
> due
> January 30th. This disk is reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be
> started within the OS. From what I have learned it cannot do a clean
> install. Only an upgrade of the existing OS, even if that OS is corrupt,
> or
> has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.

Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to do
both.

Tom Lake

> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to do
> both.

Hi,

Is it confirmed?



"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:70745C57-447B-47C3-AAC0-7007AEC1272E@microsoft.com...
>> Tom we are not talking about the subscriber edition you downloaded from
>> MSDN.
>> This discussion is concerning the upgrade edition of Vista that will be
>> due
>> January 30th. This disk is reportedly non bootable. An upgrade must be
>> started within the OS. From what I have learned it cannot do a clean
>> install. Only an upgrade of the existing OS, even if that OS is corrupt,
>> or
>> has a Virus. None of the repair options are available as a result.
>
> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to do
> both.
>
> Tom Lake

Tom Lake wrote:
>
> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able
> to do both.

A version of the "Upgrade Edition" of Windows Vista?

Got a link to some documentation? The issue Jon mentions is horrific if it's
true, so some documentation to show it isn't would be very useful.

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:us6KfEVEHHA.3224@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Yes, but there will be a version shipping on 1/30 that will be able to do
>> both.
>
> Hi,
>
> Is it confirmed?

The RTM is the exact DVD image that will be shipping (that's what RTM
means -
MS has turned it over to Manufacturing to be pressed into DVDs. There will
be
NO further changes before launch). Since the RTM can do both, the shipping
DVDs will do both.

Tom Lake