Vista Tutorial - Estimated TCO or Vista?

If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.

Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an average
user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and worked
without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but I
have the following issues:

TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
administrator.
UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).

I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace these
apps, £500 or so?

Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace loads
of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?

At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing something
right :-)

--
Jeff Gaines

Jeff Gaines wrote:
> If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>
> Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an
> average user.

Probably not by a completely independant body, if by anyone at all.

> Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace
> loads of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?

Yes, now is a good time to look at the new Mac OS that's coming real soon,
or at some of the more modern Linux builds.

> At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing
> something right :-)

Better than Microsoft, when you consider VS2005 itself isn't really a
"supported" app in Vista.

regards
rob

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:08:13 -0800, "Jeff Gaines"
<whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote:

>If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>
>Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an average
>user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
>before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and worked
>without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
>issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but I
>have the following issues:
>
>TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
>administrator.
>UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
>Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
>Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
>F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
>I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).
>
>I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
>stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace these
>apps, £500 or so?
>
>Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace loads
>of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?
>
>At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing something
>right :-)


A story in the local paper here gave average tco of $507 /yr, as
opposed to xp at $545 /yr.
-grain of salt-

"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6osl435yt007@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace loads
> of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?

Yeah, because it's *so* much cheaper to buy a whole new machine - from Apple
(grab your ankles!), and all new OS X apps! - than to just replace a few of
your Windows apps.

Mike

Hi,

I wonder if they've detailed items for TCO because $507/yr seems to be low,
so I wonder how they calculated it. Or maybe they just compared the support
cost?

Thanks for sharing if you have additional information.


"Eric Furness" <ericfurn@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:25ujm2huqt3h1h00v3ka0uq48f6cimrn83@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:08:13 -0800, "Jeff Gaines"
> <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote:
>
>>If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>>
>>Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an average
>>user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
>>before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and worked
>>without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
>>issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but I
>>have the following issues:
>>
>>TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
>>administrator.
>>UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
>>Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
>>Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
>>F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
>>I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).
>>
>>I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
>>stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace these
>>apps, £500 or so?
>>
>>Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace loads
>>of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?
>>
>>At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing something
>>right :-)
>
>
> A story in the local paper here gave average tco of $507 /yr, as
> opposed to xp at $545 /yr.
> -grain of salt-

It'd be difficult to estimate and would be varied by user environment. The
more appropriate TCO estimation will be those for business systems since its
configurations and installed applications would be relatively the same.

But I will speculate it'd be high for a normal user initially getting into
the OS including new hardware needed, finding software that may not work
properly and then need to upgrade, and the learning curve - which is the
major one but usually being left out.


"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0eu6osl435yt007@msnews.microsoft.com...
> If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>
> Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an average
> user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
> before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and worked
> without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
> issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but I
> have the following issues:
>
> TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
> administrator.
> UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
> Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
> Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
> F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
> I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).
>
> I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
> stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace these
> apps, £500 or so?
>
> Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace loads
> of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?
>
> At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing something
> right :-)
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines

If I remember right, it derives from the cost for an enterprise to deploy
and manintain and doesn't mean much to consumers. The greatest savings come
from the new wim file format and the tools for editing it prior to
deployment.

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:uVBhYzbEHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if they've detailed items for TCO because $507/yr seems to be
> low, so I wonder how they calculated it. Or maybe they just compared the
> support cost?
>
> Thanks for sharing if you have additional information.
>
>
> "Eric Furness" <ericfurn@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:25ujm2huqt3h1h00v3ka0uq48f6cimrn83@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:08:13 -0800, "Jeff Gaines"
>> <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>>If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>>>
>>>Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an average
>>>user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
>>>before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and worked
>>>without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
>>>issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but I
>>>have the following issues:
>>>
>>>TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
>>>administrator.
>>>UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
>>>Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
>>>Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
>>>F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
>>>I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).
>>>
>>>I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
>>>stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace
>>>these
>>>apps, £500 or so?
>>>
>>>Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace
>>>loads
>>>of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?
>>>
>>>At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing
>>>something
>>>right :-)
>>
>>
>> A story in the local paper here gave average tco of $507 /yr, as
>> opposed to xp at $545 /yr.
>> -grain of salt-
>
>

Eric Furness wrote:
>
>
> A story in the local paper here gave average tco of $507 /yr, as
> opposed to xp at $545 /yr.
> -grain of salt-

Interesting, may I ask which local paper? Or rather, do they have a
website or possibly any kind of online reference?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Hi,

Thanks and they did ignore the learning curve - the biggest item for TCO,
and may I suspect the original source is provided by the product provider?



"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23DQRlUcEHHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If I remember right, it derives from the cost for an enterprise to deploy
> and manintain and doesn't mean much to consumers. The greatest savings
> come from the new wim file format and the tools for editing it prior to
> deployment.
>
> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:uVBhYzbEHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder if they've detailed items for TCO because $507/yr seems to be
>> low, so I wonder how they calculated it. Or maybe they just compared the
>> support cost?
>>
>> Thanks for sharing if you have additional information.
>>
>>
>> "Eric Furness" <ericfurn@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:25ujm2huqt3h1h00v3ka0uq48f6cimrn83@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:08:13 -0800, "Jeff Gaines"
>>> <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>>>>
>>>>Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an average
>>>>user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
>>>>before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and worked
>>>>without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
>>>>issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but I
>>>>have the following issues:
>>>>
>>>>TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
>>>>administrator.
>>>>UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
>>>>Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
>>>>Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
>>>>F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
>>>>I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).
>>>>
>>>>I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
>>>>stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace
>>>>these
>>>>apps, £500 or so?
>>>>
>>>>Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace
>>>>loads
>>>>of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?
>>>>
>>>>At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing
>>>>something
>>>>right :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> A story in the local paper here gave average tco of $507 /yr, as
>>> opposed to xp at $545 /yr.
>>> -grain of salt-
>>
>>
>
>

Who else has access?

"xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%237c3wdcEHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> Thanks and they did ignore the learning curve - the biggest item for TCO,
> and may I suspect the original source is provided by the product provider?
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23DQRlUcEHHA.3596@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> If I remember right, it derives from the cost for an enterprise to deploy
>> and manintain and doesn't mean much to consumers. The greatest savings
>> come from the new wim file format and the tools for editing it prior to
>> deployment.
>>
>> "xfile" <cou-cou@remove.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:uVBhYzbEHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if they've detailed items for TCO because $507/yr seems to be
>>> low, so I wonder how they calculated it. Or maybe they just compared
>>> the support cost?
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing if you have additional information.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Eric Furness" <ericfurn@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:25ujm2huqt3h1h00v3ka0uq48f6cimrn83@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:08:13 -0800, "Jeff Gaines"
>>>> <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If this is going to start a war then please ignore/delete it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does anybody know if the TCO of Vista has been calculated for an
>>>>>average
>>>>>user. I did my second install today as part of the process of trying it
>>>>>before I use it in earnest. Two of my existing apps installed and
>>>>>worked
>>>>>without an issue (XanaNews and Hotmail Popper). I have overcome some
>>>>>issues by turning UAC off and running most things as administrator but
>>>>>I
>>>>>have the following issues:
>>>>>
>>>>>TheBat! is a 'known issue' - although I have got it running as
>>>>>administrator.
>>>>>UltraEdit doesn't hold its settings unless its run as administrator.
>>>>>Office 97 bombs out when applying SP2.
>>>>>Virtual CD won't install (thanks for the tip to try Magic Iso)
>>>>>F-Prot a/v won't work on Vista.
>>>>>I haven't tried Diskeeper light (perhaps I will try later).
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't run the latest versions of most apps, if they do what I want I
>>>>>stick with them, but if I'm average what would it cost me to replace
>>>>>these
>>>>>apps, £500 or so?
>>>>>
>>>>>Does make me wonder if people might decide if they've got to replace
>>>>>loads
>>>>>of apps perhaps now is a good time to try a Mac?
>>>>>
>>>>>At least all my own apps running in VS2005 work, I must be doing
>>>>>something
>>>>>right :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A story in the local paper here gave average tco of $507 /yr, as
>>>> opposed to xp at $545 /yr.
>>>> -grain of salt-
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>