Vista - The *Question* remains

After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.

Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
(that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
be a bootable disk?

The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
The question *is NOT* asked about XP
The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion

Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable. You
will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows install as
the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't trying to
upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.

Chris

"Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>
> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others) be
> a bootable disk?
>
> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion

I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify for
upgrade pricing.

"Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>
> Chris
>
> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>
>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>> be a bootable disk?
>>
>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>

This is why, as far as I am concerned, there should only be one version of
Vista - the full Ultimate. I remember that when XP first came out,
Microsoft was tired of supporting various versions, such as XP Home and XP
Pro. The talk at the time was that the next version of Windows would
eliminate the different versions. Well, we see how that turned out.
Instead of two, we have twelve versions!

Dale

"Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>
> Chris
>
> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>
>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>> be a bootable disk?
>>
>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>

Thanks Colin and Chris. Please - no disrespect intended. You are,
both, excellent participants in this News Group.

However - it took only one reply to the OP for 'speculation' to be
offered and the reply to that one changed the subject entirely.

I assure the answer to the OP is we are NOT going to get an answer from
anyone that knows certain and is willing to stake their, and
Microsoft's, reputation on an honest answer.



Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify for
> upgrade pricing.
>
> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>
>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>
>

I'll bet Marketing drove that decision.

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:etieQ5ZEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> This is why, as far as I am concerned, there should only be one version of
> Vista - the full Ultimate. I remember that when XP first came out,
> Microsoft was tired of supporting various versions, such as XP Home and XP
> Pro. The talk at the time was that the next version of Windows would
> eliminate the different versions. Well, we see how that turned out.
> Instead of two, we have twelve versions!
>
> Dale
>
> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>
>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>>
>

If Microsoft wanted to be really aggressive about strict enforcement of
the XP EULA relative to upgrades, they could implement a scheme in which
you had to install Windows Vista upgrade under a running, activated and
validated copy of XP, and then the act of upgrading to Vista actually
canceled that XP product key for good ... the XP product key would no
longer activate or be validated as genuine. Of course, that would cause
a HUGE problem for reinstallation from scratch, for example if a hard
drive failed and had to be replaced. Hopefully, they have not done
anything that draconian.

Still, I agree that fundamental and important questions remain
unanswered. And I suspect will remain unanswered until we get our hands
on actual retail production upgrade media.



Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify for
> upgrade pricing.
>
> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>
>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>
>

Dr. Heywood Floyd - Thanks for an intelligent post.
You don't get many of these!
I am in the same realm as you, 'how will the upgrade
from XP SP2 to Vista perform'.
As we all know, there isn't a upgrade version
available, yet. I apologise in advance, but I am of the
opinion that if ONE has gremlins in XP SP2, then they
will carry forward in any Vista upgrade!
As with you, I will have to wait 'til post 30 Jan '07
to see the (chaos) whoops, results.

regards to you and all

(my) Last Word

"Dr. Heywood Floyd" wrote:

> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>
> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
> be a bootable disk?
>
> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>

I don't think so. Even an upgrade from xp to Vista is a clean installation
of Vista so no vestige of the xp code is left. All files, settings, and
apps are moved to another part of the drive, the area needed for the image
is formatted and then the image is laid down and installed. Only then are
the apps reinstalled. Vista does not install by file copy the way XP and
earlier do. It is more like a block copy.

"LoneWolf" <LoneWolf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:597A1CE4-52E4-460E-B816-0E1C4007D7DE@microsoft.com...
> Dr. Heywood Floyd - Thanks for an intelligent post.
> You don't get many of these!
> I am in the same realm as you, 'how will the upgrade
> from XP SP2 to Vista perform'.
> As we all know, there isn't a upgrade version
> available, yet. I apologise in advance, but I am of the
> opinion that if ONE has gremlins in XP SP2, then they
> will carry forward in any Vista upgrade!
> As with you, I will have to wait 'til post 30 Jan '07
> to see the (chaos) whoops, results.
>
> regards to you and all
>
> (my) Last Word
>
> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" wrote:
>
>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>
>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>> be a bootable disk?
>>
>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>>

Thanks Colin. I have always relied on your advise.
However, we are getting away from the post
from Dr. Floyd.
Enough said. We will have to wait for Vista's release
and rely on MVP's and yourself for information
that is currently available.

regards

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> I don't think so. Even an upgrade from xp to Vista is a clean installation
> of Vista so no vestige of the xp code is left. All files, settings, and
> apps are moved to another part of the drive, the area needed for the image
> is formatted and then the image is laid down and installed. Only then are
> the apps reinstalled. Vista does not install by file copy the way XP and
> earlier do. It is more like a block copy.
>
> "LoneWolf" <LoneWolf@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:597A1CE4-52E4-460E-B816-0E1C4007D7DE@microsoft.com...
> > Dr. Heywood Floyd - Thanks for an intelligent post.
> > You don't get many of these!
> > I am in the same realm as you, 'how will the upgrade
> > from XP SP2 to Vista perform'.
> > As we all know, there isn't a upgrade version
> > available, yet. I apologise in advance, but I am of the
> > opinion that if ONE has gremlins in XP SP2, then they
> > will carry forward in any Vista upgrade!
> > As with you, I will have to wait 'til post 30 Jan '07
> > to see the (chaos) whoops, results.
> >
> > regards to you and all
> >
> > (my) Last Word
> >
> > "Dr. Heywood Floyd" wrote:
> >
> >> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
> >> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
> >>
> >> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
> >> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
> >> be a bootable disk?
> >>
> >> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
> >> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
> >> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
> >>
>
>
>