Vista - No Vista for Christmas-except on Ebay

I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I can't
keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being sold
with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me that
Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the opportunity
to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce. The
people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it to
be able to say, “Hey, we did it! We finished it.� This was what? 2 months
ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for Christmas.
This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista should
have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
promises Microsoft? I’ll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank you
Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

Again? Don't you ever tire of this?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:4F7AFD5B-F604-4CB1-8E98-AC6D1F51383E@microsoft.com...
>I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I
> can't
> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being
> sold
> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me
> that
> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the
> opportunity
> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce.
> The
> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it
> to
> be able to say, “Hey, we did it! We finished it.� This was what? 2
> months
> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for
> Christmas.
> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista
> should
> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
> promises Microsoft? I’ll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank
> you
> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

If I had to take a guess, the reason vista wasn't shipped before christmas
is probbly the OEM computer vendors fault... Not necessarily microsofts. It
takes quite some time for people like Dell and HP to integrate an operating
system top to bottom, throughout their computer lines... It also, is quite
poor for sales to be selling XP computers, with copies of vista sitting on
the shelves. Granted, it's not like Dell can complain too much, what other
option do they have when microsoft lays down the law... With mac expecting a
big year though, microsoft was probably being somewhat sensitive to the
vendors wishes.

If anyone is to blame, I'd say blame HP,DELL,Gateway,Bestbuy,Walmart... Not
microsoft


On 12/13/06 9:42 AM, in article
4F7AFD5B-F604-4CB1-8E98-AC6D1F51383E@microsoft.com, "Jon Acord"
<JOn@theacords.biz> wrote:

> I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I can't
> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being sold
> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me that
> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the opportunity
> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce. The
> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it to
> be able to say, ³Hey, we did it! We finished it.² This was what? 2 months
> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for Christmas.
> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista should
> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
> promises Microsoft? I¹ll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank you
> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

Sent using the Microsoft Entourage 2004 for Mac Test Drive.

While Windows Vista is RTM, time must be given to hardware
manufacturers to develope and test Vista compatible drivers
for their third-party hardware devices. Most folks who purchase
software on auction sites often end up with bogus software.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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"Jon Acord" wrote:

>I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I
> can't
> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being
> sold
> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me
> that
> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the
> opportunity
> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce.
> The
> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it
> to
> be able to say, "Hey, we did it! We finished it." This was what? 2
> months
> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for
> Christmas.
> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista
> should
> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
> promises Microsoft? I'll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank
> you
> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

I can aution my ol' RC! and RC2 DVDs for ridiculous sums ? Wow! 'Bet RC2
can fetch a better price than RC1.

Anyway. Vista was not ready in time for Christmas and Microsoft made a smart
move delaying the retail release to 2007. Why? While a new OS's bits might
be ready to take on the world, 3rd party manufacturers need time to ready
*their* products. Putting Vista under the Christmas tree might have meant
too many driver problems and issues as people hooked up their peripherals
only to find no drivers for them.

Merry Christmas.


"Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
news:4F7AFD5B-F604-4CB1-8E98-AC6D1F51383E@microsoft.com...
>I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I
> can't
> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being
> sold
> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me
> that
> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the
> opportunity
> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce.
> The
> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it
> to
> be able to say, “Hey, we did it! We finished it.� This was what? 2
> months
> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for
> Christmas.
> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista
> should
> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
> promises Microsoft? I’ll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank
> you
> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

RTM means Released To Manufacturing. This means that the manufacturers
now have the final built to check and modify their drivers, applications
and hardware ready for the full launch of Vista. There's been a small
launch to Volume License users, as usually these have long lead times to
get machines updates due to the number of machines they have.

http://isp.webopedia.com/TERM/R/RTM.html

By definition, RTM version tends to be before public release.

D

Jon Acord threw a tantrum and wrote:

> I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I can't
> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being sold
> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me that
> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the opportunity
> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce. The
> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it to
> be able to say, “Hey, we did it! We finished it.� This was what? 2 months
> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for Christmas.
> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista should
> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
> promises Microsoft? I’ll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank you
> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

What is your hurry? I don't plan to buy Vista until it at least has an
SP2. The above sounds like it comes from a spoiled brat who wants what
he wants when he wants it. Give your loved ones something else.

Alias

Other than the egos of wannabe power users (got to be one of the first
to have the newest toys) - what's the hurry? Your present computer(s),
with whatever OS(s) you use, will work just fine for years to come.

Jon Acord wrote:
> I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I can't
> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being sold
> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me that
> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the opportunity
> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce. The
> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it to
> be able to say, “Hey, we did it! We finished it.� This was what? 2 months
> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for Christmas.
> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista should
> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
> promises Microsoft? I’ll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank you
> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.

Richard Urban wrote:
> Again? Don't you ever tire of this?
>

Spoiled brats never get tired of throwing tantrums.

Alias

You pegged it!

--
Nancy Ward
Windows Live Butterfly
Windows Live MVP 2003-2006
>
"Saucy" <place@holder.email.sink> wrote in message
news:%231ZET%23sHHHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I can aution my ol' RC! and RC2 DVDs for ridiculous sums ? Wow! 'Bet RC2
>can fetch a better price than RC1.
>
> Anyway. Vista was not ready in time for Christmas and Microsoft made a
> smart move delaying the retail release to 2007. Why? While a new OS's bits
> might be ready to take on the world, 3rd party manufacturers need time to
> ready *their* products. Putting Vista under the Christmas tree might have
> meant too many driver problems and issues as people hooked up their
> peripherals only to find no drivers for them.
>
> Merry Christmas.
>
>
> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
> news:4F7AFD5B-F604-4CB1-8E98-AC6D1F51383E@microsoft.com...
>>I am confounded by all the illegal copies of Vista being sold on EBay as I
>> write this. People are hawking copies of RC1, RC2 for ridiculous sums of
>> money. I probably report about 100 auctions a week to EBay, but even I
>> can't
>> keep up with it. I really do not like to see people getting ripped off,
>> buying beta, and prerelease software. There are also OEM copies being
>> sold
>> with upgrade coupons. This too is illegal. It seems quite silly to me
>> that
>> Microsoft has released Vista to manufacturing, yet has missed the
>> opportunity
>> to promote the new OS for this holiday season. If Vista is not ready for
>> release to the general public, the fact that it went RTM seems a farce.
>> The
>> people at the top of the food chain at Microsoft Prematurely released it
>> to
>> be able to say, "Hey, we did it! We finished it." This was what? 2
>> months
>> ago I think? And yet, no one can buy a copy, except on EBay for
>> Christmas.
>> This tells me there are serious internal problems at Microsoft. Vista
>> should
>> have shipped, and been under my Christmas tree wrapped with a red ribbon.
>> Now, yet another delay, this makes what? 5 delays? How many more broken
>> promises Microsoft? I'll have to see January 30th to believe it. Thank
>> you
>> Microsoft for the Bah! Humbug! This season.
>