Vista - Bootable Vista Home Premiume

Hi Guys
I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the most part.
I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home Premium ,
can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a service pack. Make an
iso bootable DVD ?
Just wondering.
Thanks

--
Carl G

No.

"Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
news:899AA63D-E8DD-4B86-977E-F0762AD867F8@microsoft.com...
> Hi Guys
> I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the most
> part.
> I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home Premium ,
> can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a service pack. Make an
> iso bootable DVD ?
> Just wondering.
> Thanks
>
> --
> Carl G

Thanks Colin,
That kinda sucks for me.
I am retired and play on my pc a lot and reload windows quite
frequently,trying different things.
Guess I will have to stay with xp for the expearminting part hu.
thanks again.

--
Carl G

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
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> No.
>
> "Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:899AA63D-E8DD-4B86-977E-F0762AD867F8@microsoft.com...
>> Hi Guys
>> I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the most
>> part.
>> I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home Premium ,
>> can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a service pack. Make
>> an iso bootable DVD ?
>> Just wondering.
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Carl G
>

All retail Vista dvd's are bootable. The product key that comes with the
retail box will be either full edition or upgrade edition. The dvd's are
all the same.

However, the upgrade edition product key requires that the installer has to
run from your XP desktop, meaning that XP has to be installed and running.

With a full edition product key you can just install and reinstall Vista
without worrying about XP.

What I would do is set up my Vista and then image the drive with something
like Acronis. Then just reinstall the image when you want to refresh your
system. The advantage to using imaging is that you can have all your stable
apps already installed too.

You can rely on reinstalling XP and then Vista and then all your apps if you
prefer buying an upgrade edition product key and are intimidated by the idea
of imaging. It will work.

Or you can buy a full edition of Vista and drop XP altogether.

"Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
news:8E5DDCED-E749-4F56-9027-F745322352FC@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Colin,
> That kinda sucks for me.
> I am retired and play on my pc a lot and reload windows quite
> frequently,trying different things.
> Guess I will have to stay with xp for the expearminting part hu.
> thanks again.
>
> --
> Carl G
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:C0F7DECC-F971-447D-B77A-9C6EB694E7FC@microsoft.com...
>> No.
>>
>> "Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:899AA63D-E8DD-4B86-977E-F0762AD867F8@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi Guys
>>> I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the most
>>> part.
>>> I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home Premium
>>> , can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a service pack.
>>> Make an iso bootable DVD ?
>>> Just wondering.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Carl G
>>

You didn't mention that the image of Vista thus created will also be
activated, so there will be no need to reactivate upon reinstalling with
the image.

Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> All retail Vista dvd's are bootable. The product key that comes with
> the retail box will be either full edition or upgrade edition. The
> dvd's are all the same.
>
> However, the upgrade edition product key requires that the installer has
> to run from your XP desktop, meaning that XP has to be installed and
> running.
>
> With a full edition product key you can just install and reinstall Vista
> without worrying about XP.
>
> What I would do is set up my Vista and then image the drive with
> something like Acronis. Then just reinstall the image when you want to
> refresh your system. The advantage to using imaging is that you can
> have all your stable apps already installed too.
>
> You can rely on reinstalling XP and then Vista and then all your apps if
> you prefer buying an upgrade edition product key and are intimidated by
> the idea of imaging. It will work.
>
> Or you can buy a full edition of Vista and drop XP altogether.
>
> "Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:8E5DDCED-E749-4F56-9027-F745322352FC@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks Colin,
>> That kinda sucks for me.
>> I am retired and play on my pc a lot and reload windows quite
>> frequently,trying different things.
>> Guess I will have to stay with xp for the expearminting part hu.
>> thanks again.
>>
>> --
>> Carl G
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:C0F7DECC-F971-447D-B77A-9C6EB694E7FC@microsoft.com...
>>> No.
>>>
>>> "Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
>>> news:899AA63D-E8DD-4B86-977E-F0762AD867F8@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi Guys
>>>> I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the
>>>> most part.
>>>> I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home
>>>> Premium , can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a
>>>> service pack. Make an iso bootable DVD ?
>>>> Just wondering.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl G
>>>
>

It might not be activated if the image is transferred to a new box. But, in
general, yes. Anyway, activation is a minor consideration. The worst that
could happen is a call to the activation center, so if the user prefers
rebuilding from scratch it would not be a pain point to activate again.

"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:ubHFhltIHHA.4112@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> You didn't mention that the image of Vista thus created will also be
> activated, so there will be no need to reactivate upon reinstalling with
> the image.
>
>>

Colin:

Would you please point to a Microsoft web page that supports the statement:

> However, the upgrade edition product key requires that the installer has
> to run from your XP desktop, meaning that XP has to be installed and
> running.

If that is true, then you cannot buy the upgrade edition and install x64
over Windows MCE 2005, for example, which is ... insane. I'll believe MSFT
really made THAT big a mistake when I see it in print.

It's not that I doubt you, Colin, but there is a lot of confusion about
"updating" (installing when saving your existing settings) versus qualifying
for the upgrade price. Your statement implies (very strongly) that all of
us who bought Windows MCE 2005 machines that are 64-bit will now have to pay
FULL price to get to 64-bit Vista. That will foment a revolution.

P.S. As per usual, not for me. I have my copy from Technet Plus which, of
course, produced a bootable DVD.



"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23dNKuKtIHHA.1044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> All retail Vista dvd's are bootable. The product key that comes with the
> retail box will be either full edition or upgrade edition. The dvd's are
> all the same.
>
> However, the upgrade edition product key requires that the installer has
> to run from your XP desktop, meaning that XP has to be installed and
> running.
>
> With a full edition product key you can just install and reinstall Vista
> without worrying about XP.
>
> What I would do is set up my Vista and then image the drive with something
> like Acronis. Then just reinstall the image when you want to refresh your
> system. The advantage to using imaging is that you can have all your
> stable apps already installed too.
>
> You can rely on reinstalling XP and then Vista and then all your apps if
> you prefer buying an upgrade edition product key and are intimidated by
> the idea of imaging. It will work.
>
> Or you can buy a full edition of Vista and drop XP altogether.
>
> "Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:8E5DDCED-E749-4F56-9027-F745322352FC@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks Colin,
>> That kinda sucks for me.
>> I am retired and play on my pc a lot and reload windows quite
>> frequently,trying different things.
>> Guess I will have to stay with xp for the expearminting part hu.
>> thanks again.
>>
>> --
>> Carl G
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:C0F7DECC-F971-447D-B77A-9C6EB694E7FC@microsoft.com...
>>> No.
>>>
>>> "Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
>>> news:899AA63D-E8DD-4B86-977E-F0762AD867F8@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi Guys
>>>> I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the most
>>>> part.
>>>> I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home Premium
>>>> , can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a service pack.
>>>> Make an iso bootable DVD ?
>>>> Just wondering.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Carl G
>>>
>

No. That is what Darrell Gorter (MSFT) told us here in the ng. He said
that when you boot with the dvd and start Setup, when you enter an upgrade
edition product key you will receive a message instructing you that the
product key you entered requires you to exit Setup, restart the computer,
and run Setup from the desktop

"Robert Blacher" <rblacher@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:2CE9D406-8132-4F5C-B815-7CE4D7C420F4@microsoft.com...
> Colin:
>
> Would you please point to a Microsoft web page that supports the
> statement:
>
>> However, the upgrade edition product key requires that the installer has
>> to run from your XP desktop, meaning that XP has to be installed and
>> running.
>

Carl,

Please look into TrueImage HOME 10.4 at www.acronis.com. It cost about
$50.00. It is compatible with Vista.

What you do is load Vista the way you normally would. Get any updates. Get
all of your hardware running correctly.

THEN, activate the operating system. After activation, Install TrueImage
HOME. Create the TrueImage boot CD. Then create an image of your operating
system partition (hopefully drive C. Save this on a second hard drive or
external USB drive.

Now if you are playing and screw something up you can start TrueImage and
restore that image to it's original location. You will be back to where you
were at the time you created the image with an activated operating system
with all updates to that time and with your hardware fully functional.

To restore the image boot from the CD you created and browse to the image
location. Follow the instructions.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Carl G" <cgerving@msnDOTcom> wrote in message
news:899AA63D-E8DD-4B86-977E-F0762AD867F8@microsoft.com...
> Hi Guys
> I am running vista RC1 Build 5400,and it is running good for the most
> part.
> I was wondering when Vista hits the market and I buy Vista Home Premium ,
> can I make that a bootable DVD ? Like doing XP and a service pack. Make an
> iso bootable DVD ?
> Just wondering.
> Thanks
>
> --
> Carl G

OK, I searched through the newgroup for Darrell Gorter and found the
following msg dated 12/13:

"People have been out
I haven't got all the answers but I will update somewhat.
This thread is talking about multiple things but this is the core question
I believe
The compliance checking behavior.
As I under the question that CVP is asking is simply around the compliance
checking behavior of X64 upgrade product keys not around the porcess of
upgrading itself.
This is what found out:
If you boot to a retail Windows Vista x64 media and use an upgrade product
key, at some point shortly after entering the product key setup will search
the hard drive for an installed operating system that meets the compliance
check.
This is only for x64 media with an upgrade product key,,since you cannot
run setup from within 32-bit operating system to meet the compliance check.

I wish had more answers but they just aren't available yet.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"


The above is a full quote (and the spelling and typos are his, not mine).

Is that the message to which you were referring?

If so, I'll wait for an official Microsoft announcement that they were
really quite as stupid as they *may* have been. To be blunt, this guy can
barely type in complete sentences, makes it clear his info is tentative, is
repeating what HE understands others have said (hearsay), hasn't said
anything more since December 13 ... oh, I could go on.

In short, as a witness, I would slaughter him on cross-examination. :-}

Hypothetically, He may not know (or understand) that those who buy the
upgrade and then request the 64-bit DVD, if necessary, are then issued a new
key, which they can then install over the 32-bit version. Or, that you
simply can call the Microsoft activation hotline, or whatever they call it,
to get around this problem.

Absent better evidence, I just refuse to believe the following scenario:

One day before the "express upgrade" period began, Joe Idiot buys a 64-bit
Media Center PC which has MCE 2005 installed -- the MOST expensive version
of Windows. Now, to get 64-bit anything -- Home Premium or Ultimate -- he
must pay full retail price? THAT is SOOOOOOOO unfair, it's the stuff of
class-action lawyers dreams!

Please take no offense, Colin. Your conclusions from his message may turn
out to be correct, but I'd prefer to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt
before I also conclude that they have collectively lost their f'ing minds!

I saw, andunderstood, your other msg describing this nightmare scenario,
too, Colin, so please accept this as a reply to both.

And, I guess I can't resist saying that if the worst case turns out to be
true, I will be "evaluating" the full, retail-equivalent version of Vista
Ultimate I downloaded from TechNet Plus Direct for a VERY long time and with
a VERY clear conscience.


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:BBCEDEDC-F431-4E1E-90AF-1BC72F2EC381@microsoft.com...
> No. That is what Darrell Gorter (MSFT) told us here in the ng. He said
> that when you boot with the dvd and start Setup, when you enter an upgrade
> edition product key you will receive a message instructing you that the
> product key you entered requires you to exit Setup, restart the computer,
> and run Setup from the desktop
>
> "Robert Blacher" <rblacher@community.nospam> wrote in message
> news:2CE9D406-8132-4F5C-B815-7CE4D7C420F4@microsoft.com...
>> Colin:
>>
>> Would you please point to a Microsoft web page that supports the
>> statement:
>>
>>> However, the upgrade edition product key requires that the installer has
>>> to run from your XP desktop, meaning that XP has to be installed and
>>> running.
>>
>