Vista - Mark All as Read

Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!

Tom Lake

Seeing as how there are two threads here that are about 100 deep, which
threads are you trying to mark as read.

I am not seeing your problem. But then, I reset my folders every month and
start fresh in each group. I never have more than about 5000 downloaded
headers, of which maybe 500 have been read. The rest I bypass by choice.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>
> Tom Lake
>

Tom will using (from the main Win Mail toolbar) Message>Watch
Conversation>(and you can choose the colors of the threads you mark at
Tools>Options>Read Tab>Highlight Marked Messages) help you?

I use this to mark the threads I want to follow, and it's not hard to
remember if you've read message on a thread that interests you.

Also I wonder if this will help you? Unless you're experiencing performance
problems across the board, or the point Richard Urban mentioned would come
into play on a long thread, I wouldn't think that your Win Mail is
performing unusually slow.

Try using this:

From the main toolbar of Win Mail Tools>Options>Read Tab> Checkmark in Box
"Mark all messages as read" when exiting a newsgroup."

CH



"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>
> Tom Lake
>

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!


I have experienced this many times, it's not just you.


-Michael

> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!

Not just you, I'm only following 2 newsgroups and unless I purge the
messages daily, the time to mark all as read goes up day by day. RC2 was
horrendously slow at doing this, it's better in Beta 2 but still wonder why
it takes so damn long on a pretty powerful machine...

Well, I was having same issue until I've upgraded from WEI 1.x to 5.5+
(including RAID0 system volume using SATA2 8MB cache NCQ disks). The problem
(?) seems to be related to new storage scheme (one file per message instead
of single database file per "folder" in OE) so probably you can expect
delays with high number of messages stored on mediocre/slow HDDs. I was
reading somewhere that MS was based it's hw reqs planning for Vista on
rather optimistic predictions so there you go... Chasing Moore's Law, eh?..
:-)


--
Alexander Suhovey

P.S.
WEI = Windows Experience Index


"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>
> Tom Lake
>

I would strongly disagree. The messages are stored as individual files, but
that should have no bearing on whether they are marked as read or not.
First of all, if you just download the NG headers, you still have slow
performance even if the messages are not downloaded. Second, the marked
read bit is in the database and not the message files, so that again should
not involved any access of those files.

This feature was always slow in OE with large numbers of messages in a NG.
The performance decreases one is experiencing in WinMail are no doubt
related to the database and its design and the inherent difficulties with
keeping a large number of entries in a database.

steve

"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%235L1ER%23IHHA.2056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Well, I was having same issue until I've upgraded from WEI 1.x to 5.5+
> (including RAID0 system volume using SATA2 8MB cache NCQ disks). The
> problem (?) seems to be related to new storage scheme (one file per
> message instead of single database file per "folder" in OE) so probably
> you can expect delays with high number of messages stored on mediocre/slow
> HDDs. I was reading somewhere that MS was based it's hw reqs planning for
> Vista on rather optimistic predictions so there you go... Chasing Moore's
> Law, eh?.. :-)
>
>
> --
> Alexander Suhovey
>
> P.S.
> WEI = Windows Experience Index
>
>
> "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
>> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
>> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
>> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>>
>> Tom Lake
>>
>

Try CTRL-A followed by CTRL-Q. That has usually been faster in OE, but
performance of such features in WinMail is somewhat problematic with large
numbers of messages.

Also, there is a newsgroup for Windows Mail issues.

steve

"Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>
> Tom Lake
>

Thanks for explaining. What I said about performance issues corellation with
storage scheme was just guessing.

--
Alexander Suhovey

"Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote in message
news:66CB91B1-BE98-4673-B0B6-63371DD66119@microsoft.com...
>I would strongly disagree. The messages are stored as individual files,
>but that should have no bearing on whether they are marked as read or not.
>First of all, if you just download the NG headers, you still have slow
>performance even if the messages are not downloaded. Second, the marked
>read bit is in the database and not the message files, so that again should
>not involved any access of those files.
>
> This feature was always slow in OE with large numbers of messages in a NG.
> The performance decreases one is experiencing in WinMail are no doubt
> related to the database and its design and the inherent difficulties with
> keeping a large number of entries in a database.
>
> steve
>
> "Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%235L1ER%23IHHA.2056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Well, I was having same issue until I've upgraded from WEI 1.x to 5.5+
>> (including RAID0 system volume using SATA2 8MB cache NCQ disks). The
>> problem (?) seems to be related to new storage scheme (one file per
>> message instead of single database file per "folder" in OE) so probably
>> you can expect delays with high number of messages stored on
>> mediocre/slow HDDs. I was reading somewhere that MS was based it's hw
>> reqs planning for Vista on rather optimistic predictions so there you
>> go... Chasing Moore's Law, eh?.. :-)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexander Suhovey
>>
>> P.S.
>> WEI = Windows Experience Index
>>
>>
>> "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
>>> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
>>> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
>>> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>>>
>>> Tom Lake
>>>
>>
>

I just wanted to clarify, as others are slamming the new message store
format and blaming everything on it, and it is not the problem in this
circumstance.

cheers,

steve

"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:FDB5125A-E7E0-458B-B3ED-A35D1C2EED4A@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for explaining. What I said about performance issues corellation
> with storage scheme was just guessing.
>
> --
> Alexander Suhovey
>
> "Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote in message
> news:66CB91B1-BE98-4673-B0B6-63371DD66119@microsoft.com...
>>I would strongly disagree. The messages are stored as individual files,
>>but that should have no bearing on whether they are marked as read or not.
>>First of all, if you just download the NG headers, you still have slow
>>performance even if the messages are not downloaded. Second, the marked
>>read bit is in the database and not the message files, so that again
>>should not involved any access of those files.
>>
>> This feature was always slow in OE with large numbers of messages in a
>> NG. The performance decreases one is experiencing in WinMail are no doubt
>> related to the database and its design and the inherent difficulties with
>> keeping a large number of entries in a database.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%235L1ER%23IHHA.2056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Well, I was having same issue until I've upgraded from WEI 1.x to 5.5+
>>> (including RAID0 system volume using SATA2 8MB cache NCQ disks). The
>>> problem (?) seems to be related to new storage scheme (one file per
>>> message instead of single database file per "folder" in OE) so probably
>>> you can expect delays with high number of messages stored on
>>> mediocre/slow HDDs. I was reading somewhere that MS was based it's hw
>>> reqs planning for Vista on rather optimistic predictions so there you
>>> go... Chasing Moore's Law, eh?.. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexander Suhovey
>>>
>>> P.S.
>>> WEI = Windows Experience Index
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Lake" <tlake@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Of5V9i4IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Is it just my system or does using Mark All as Read take an
>>>> awfully long time in Windows Mail? In XP, Outlook Express marks
>>>> all messages as read almost instantaneously. Windows Mail takes
>>>> twenty to thirty seconds to mark just two or three messages!
>>>>
>>>> Tom Lake
>>>>
>>>
>>
>