Vista - The Reluctant Pirate

haha, your "company" ...lol. what a goof. just admit your a torrent user, and get it over with. really now, you "telecom kingpin" you...texan, are we? lol

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:10:39 -0600, Nina DiBoy wrote:

> With Vista it seems (correct me if I am wrong) they will go to the store
> and say, "Vista basic, vista home, vista enterprise, or vista ultimate?
> What does each do? How confusing!"

Just wait until someone throws 350 flavors of Linux into the mix. ;-)

> That is twice as many choices as they had before, and the naming
> convention for the XP versions seems to me more clear than the naming for
> the Vista versions.

People have to choose among an array of products almost every day. Which
computer game? Which word processor? What brand and model of computer to
buy? Which digital camera? How much and which brand/speed of flash memory
for the camera? If choosing one OS out of dozens is a big problem, it's
only because people aren't used to having to make that particular decision.

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:33:05 -0600, Nina DiBoy wrote:

> Robert Blacher wrote:
>> MSFT is a profit-seeking entity. They will charge as much for Vista as
>> the market will tolerate. That is what they are supposed to do.
>
> And what they are not supposed to do is to force the market to bear the
> insanely high prices they charge and keep jacking up the price by having a
> virtual monopoly.

Microsoft's monopoly isn't virtual. Courts all over the world, including
US and European, courts, have ruled Microsoft to be a defacto monopoly
under their laws. The legal definition of a monopoly only requires that a
company have sufficient market share that it's free of competitive
pressures in setting prices, features, terms of use, etc. Typically that
happens when a company owns around 90% of the market.

Just for fun, here's an interesting page that does a market simulation for
various types of companies and market situations:

http://www.egwald.com/economics/econpage.php3

It's educational to leave all other conditions equal while stepping
down through the number of competitors until you arrive at a monopoly. To
simplify comparisons it's best to use a different browser tab for each
computation so you can flip back and forth.

Dale wrote:
> Internet Explorer is not free. It is an integral part of the OS and you
> pay for it just as you pay for any other part of the OS including
> Windows Explorer, Notepad, WordPad, Calculator, Windows Media Player,
> and so on.
>
> Dale

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...IHZgBtjg%3d%3d

It does not charge me if I try to download IE here Dale. So what do you
mean that IE is not free?

>
> "caver1" <dlarrabe@columbus.rr.435.com> wrote in message
> news:%23NA61P2JHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Mike wrote:
>>> "arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
>>> newsan.2006.12.24.01.34.03.20744@goawayspammers.com...
>>>> Oh, please. VM technology is not all that complicated. The only reason
>>>> home users won't be using it is that Microsoft has made it so expensive
>>>> for them.
>>>
>>> Yeah, by giving away VPC 2007!
>>>
>>>> "Goldman is estimating that about 75 percent of the Vista consumer
>>>> demographic will go for the Home Premium version of Vista, as
>>>> opposed to
>>>> Home Basic."
>>>
>>> Which means that 25% will be happy with Home Basic. Sounds like a
>>> win-win to me.
>>>
>>>> What if I buy a laptop that comes with Vista Home and want to set
>>>> up a secure VM for surfing the Internet? I'm certainly competent to
>>>> install and use VM software.
>>>
>>> Then just do it and stop whining. I have Home Basic in VPC right now.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes VPC 2007 is free. But to run MS software on it you have to buy
>> additional programs. Yes IE is free but "Supposedly" it is a component
>> of the OS that cannot be separated so then to surf the internet in
>> VMware you have to buy another copy of the OS. Not too expensive?
>



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Nina DiBoy wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Internet Explorer is not free. It is an integral part of the OS and
>> you pay for it just as you pay for any other part of the OS including
>> Windows Explorer, Notepad, WordPad, Calculator, Windows Media Player,
>> and so on.
>>
>> Dale
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...IHZgBtjg%3d%3d
>
>
> It does not charge me if I try to download IE here Dale. So what do you
> mean that IE is not free?

Try downloading and installing it to anything that isn't XP SP2. It's
only free if you've *bought* XP or Vista.

Alias
>
>>
>> "caver1" <dlarrabe@columbus.rr.435.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23NA61P2JHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Mike wrote:
>>>> "arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
>>>> newsan.2006.12.24.01.34.03.20744@goawayspammers.com...
>>>>> Oh, please. VM technology is not all that complicated. The only reason
>>>>> home users won't be using it is that Microsoft has made it so
>>>>> expensive
>>>>> for them.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, by giving away VPC 2007!
>>>>
>>>>> "Goldman is estimating that about 75 percent of the Vista consumer
>>>>> demographic will go for the Home Premium version of Vista, as
>>>>> opposed to
>>>>> Home Basic."
>>>>
>>>> Which means that 25% will be happy with Home Basic. Sounds like a
>>>> win-win to me.
>>>>
>>>>> What if I buy a laptop that comes with Vista Home and want to set
>>>>> up a secure VM for surfing the Internet? I'm certainly competent to
>>>>> install and use VM software.
>>>>
>>>> Then just do it and stop whining. I have Home Basic in VPC right now.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes VPC 2007 is free. But to run MS software on it you have to buy
>>> additional programs. Yes IE is free but "Supposedly" it is a
>>> component of the OS that cannot be separated so then to surf the
>>> internet in VMware you have to buy another copy of the OS. Not too
>>> expensive?
>>
>
>
>

Whether or not it breaks the integrity of your network, it breaks your
personal integrity to pirate a copy of Windows. If you'll steal from
Microsoft, I would worry, if I were your customer, that you'd steal from me.

As for actually reading license agreements, there are, no doubt, license
agreements your customers sign when using your services. I'm sure their
lawyers would love to have this statement from you should you ever find
yourself in court to enforce terms of your agreement.

I'm not embarrassed. You should be, though. If only for not knowing that
platform has little to do with the spread of viruses and malware. There
was, a few years back, a virus called "red" something - I forget the name -
that was spread from Solaris server to Solaris server but the attack from
that virus was made to Windows servers on the same network as the Solaris
box. Just because most of your systems are not Windows doesn't make your
act any less stupid in a corporate environment.

And admitting to it on a Microsoft owned newsgroup is even more stupid.

Dale

"UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6B0E7DFC-B851-4598-B430-673EF619A2F7@microsoft.com...
> Might I also add, you know nothing at all about security, if you seriously
> think a pirated copy of windows, with a whopping 3 or 4 files edited from
> the
> original ISO, could in any way, shape, or form, affect private servers on
> a
> separate vlan, separate subnet, and even a separate facility for that
> matter.
> Especially when most of the equipment colo'd with us is owned and operated
> by
> other Service Providers.and more Cisco and Linux than Microsoft. And it's
> not
> my job to decrypt all the damn license agreements for every OS running in
> my
> data centers. Thanks, but once again, there are some of us on this planet
> that have better things to do than READ software license agreements.
>
> I apologize to the rest of the newsgroup for venting, but I don't think I
> have ever ran into such an exceptional display of ignorance online, and I
> have been online since there was an online.
>
> And I couldn't find a customer record for anyone named Dale in the 6 years
> that we've had customers. I assume that's not your real name, and just
> your
> Troll name you use when you need to embarrass yourself online?
>
>
> "Dale" wrote:
>
>> I have to wonder about your telecom company. You installed a pirated
>> copy
>> of Vista? I hope it wasn't on your company network! If you go to
>> Microsoft.com/windowsvista, you'll see that it is generally available
>> January 30th. Is there something so important in Vista that you'd risk
>> your
>> PC and company's systems to a pirated and admittedly modified version of
>> Vista and couldn't even live with RC2 until January?
>>
>> Being intelligent enough to run a datacom business with a few hundred
>> W2K3
>> licenses (sounds like a web-hosting or server-hosting company) you'd
>> think
>> that you'd be smart enough to avoid hacked and illegal downloads and to
>> know
>> that Vista will be out in January. I don't know about all versions of
>> the
>> Open License program but it was my understanding that the "largest"
>> customers would be the ones for which Vista was made available in
>> November.
>> Whether you can get it now or have to wait until January doesn't give you
>> the right to steal a copy now.
>>
>> I just went to http://uniondatacom.com. You're hosting customer servers
>> and
>> offering customers server space and yet you download an obviously hacked
>> version of Windows Vista from an unknown source and risk your hundreds of
>> W2K3 server customers' data? If I were looking for services you offer
>> (and
>> I have used them in the past) I would absolutely avoid Union Datacom!
>> You're one scary dude! On top of that, if you're willing to steal from
>> Microsoft, what does that mean for my data if I had colocated servers or
>> rented server space from you?
>>
>> I just wish there was a way I could get this information to your
>> customers
>> and your potential customers! I'm going to go back to your website and
>> see
>> if you have any customer testimonials or anything there.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> "UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news53CA634-849F-4607-96B8-862DF77B8ABE@microsoft.com...
>> >I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
>> >but
>> > it's buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
>> > stable,
>> > so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I've got 6
>> > months
>> > before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
>> > the
>> > plan anyway.
>> >
>> > So a few weeks go by and I see RTM on the Internet, but I don't get a
>> > copy
>> > of that one in the mail. MS no doubt wants me to buy it. I'm thought
>> > that
>> > wouldn't be a problem, but I can't find it. I own a telecom company in
>> > Dallas. I have a few hundred Win2K3 licenses, and a dozen or so XP
>> > License
>> > on
>> > workstations: spending plenty of money with MS, but my vendor doesn't
>> > have
>> > Vista, and I can't find a vendor on the MS Partner site to sell it to
>> > me.
>> > I
>> > leave all kinds of voicemails with these rinky dink outfits, but no one
>> > really has it to sell me TODAY. Not even retail like Best Buy, or
>> > CompUSA,
>> > nobody.
>> >
>> > But I see it all over the Internet, my techs have it, my friends have
>> > it,
>> > but I don't have it. So I download it, and read the details. It seems
>> > that
>> > this pirated RTM copy simply installs and pretends to be a beta. Now we
>> > all
>> > know even the RTM is going to have quite a few patches in the next few
>> > months, so in my mind the only difference is that this "beta" is a
>> > little
>> > newer than RC2. So I install the pirated copy, apply the crack, and I'm
>> > on
>> > Build 6000 that thinks it's RC2.
>> >
>> > Well, that worked for a few weeks. Then MS released some Genuine
>> > Advantage
>> > Activation thing, I UNCLICKED that update knowing it wasn't a good idea
>> > to
>> > install on my "pirated" copy, and it installed anyway. Then Vista
>> > disables
>> > my
>> > Aero (not sure why that even matters, but I miss it), and brings up the
>> > Software Licensing window at awkward times, steals focus, and generally
>> > pisses me off. But I had a previous experience with Genuine Advantage
>> > on
>> > XP,
>> > and you could complete the form, give MS your Credit Card, and they'd
>> > sell
>> > you a legitimate license right then. A truly ingenious move on the part
>> > of
>> > MS, no telling how much money they made off that one feature,
>> > converting
>> > lazy
>> > pirates to customers.
>> >
>> > But in Vista, there is no such option. The Buy Now button sends you to
>> > option screens, that send you to companies that can't even sell you the
>> > product, not even a volume license, for any amount of money.
>> >
>> > So can someone, anyone, tell me how to buy the damn product today? I
>> > don't
>> > care what it cost, I don't even really care what version it is. I just
>> > like
>> > the basic features and want to upgrade my personal machines, and my
>> > office
>> > machines.
>> >
>>
>>

Actually, having worked in the telecommunications industry for over 25
years, I do know about PBX and VoIP systems. I know about all types of
digital telecommunications switching systems, transmission systems,
networking and IP systems as well. I also know about the value of
data-mining those call records because I have done so in my jobs. If
reading contracts is a waste of time to you, that is just more evidence that
you, and your company, are not someone that a knowledgeable person would do
business with.

It's too bad that you call keeping your word and contracts being a
"by-the-book ass-clown". I call not keeping your word and honoring your
contracts dishonest. And all it takes is a whopping 1 modified file to
totally expose you and your customers to harm. There are a lot of people
who don't read license agreements or couldn't understand them if they did.
They often violate those agreements out of ignorance. Your violation of
your license agreement was not out of ignorance. It was out of dishonesty.

If you wanted Vista for evaluation purposes in order to test and evaluate
its compatibility and usefulness in your business, Microsoft has a TechNet
subscription that would have given you just that - without cheating. Ask
your IT staff. They already know about it. The fact that you don't know
about it makes me suspect that you aren't the one evaluating or determining
its usefulness for your customers. Or if you are, it's another stupid
mistake. You don't have the proper background and experience for it. Of
course your use of a stolen copy of Vista has nothing to do with your
customers. Here are your own words:

>> > So can someone, anyone, tell me how to buy the damn product today? I
>> > don't
>> > care what it cost, I don't even really care what version it is. I just
>> > like
>> > the basic features and want to upgrade my personal machines, and my
>> > office
>> > machines.
>> >

As for paying today, that wasn't really the issue anyway. The problem is,
at least as far as you knew, you couldn't buy it today. So you stole it.
Just because you were willing to pay means nothing. If I go to an auction
house and see an item I want and I am willing to pay any price but they
refuse to sell it to me before the auction next month, then by your
standards I'm now justified in breaking in tonight and taking the item. And
it's not stealing because I was willing to pay any price for it. What a
stupid argument you make.

Getting things "done at any cost" (the correct phrase where you said "at all
cost") means that you value profit and business above morality and honesty.
I can assure you that your customers expect you to be honest first and
profitable second. If you can't, and if they knew that you couldn't, be
honest first, they'd take their business elsewhere lest their business data
begin to look like dollar signs in your eyes.

Now you've shown yourself to be over-reactive and immature, along with your
lack of honesty and integrity in business.

Where's that customer reference list?

Dale

"UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2407B240-D403-4101-AD57-2B50711EB799@microsoft.com...
>I never stole anything retard, I said I WOULD PAY TODAY, and I DIDN'T CARE
> WHAT THE PRICE WAS. Where on the short bus did equate PAY ANYTHING to
> STEALING? I want the latest and greatest everything for the benefit of my
> clients, my employees, and my industry as a whole. It's the super anal
> by-the-book ass-clowns like you that hold back technology to begin with.
> Thank you very much, but my company gets things done AT ALL COST,
> providing
> the best service possible, regardless who's feelings we have to hurt to
> get
> the job done: especially the competition.
>
> And if you think my company is going to waste time and money on hard
> drives
> to accumulate and sell call records (which are worthless to begin with)
> you
> have announced to all the readers that you know zipl about VoIP. Why don't
> you try to read up on new technology instead of wasting your time reading
> software licensing agreements?
>
>
> "Dale" wrote:
>
>> I have to wonder about your telecom company. You installed a pirated
>> copy
>> of Vista? I hope it wasn't on your company network! If you go to
>> Microsoft.com/windowsvista, you'll see that it is generally available
>> January 30th. Is there something so important in Vista that you'd risk
>> your
>> PC and company's systems to a pirated and admittedly modified version of
>> Vista and couldn't even live with RC2 until January?
>>
>> Being intelligent enough to run a datacom business with a few hundred
>> W2K3
>> licenses (sounds like a web-hosting or server-hosting company) you'd
>> think
>> that you'd be smart enough to avoid hacked and illegal downloads and to
>> know
>> that Vista will be out in January. I don't know about all versions of
>> the
>> Open License program but it was my understanding that the "largest"
>> customers would be the ones for which Vista was made available in
>> November.
>> Whether you can get it now or have to wait until January doesn't give you
>> the right to steal a copy now.
>>
>> I just went to http://uniondatacom.com. You're hosting customer servers
>> and
>> offering customers server space and yet you download an obviously hacked
>> version of Windows Vista from an unknown source and risk your hundreds of
>> W2K3 server customers' data? If I were looking for services you offer
>> (and
>> I have used them in the past) I would absolutely avoid Union Datacom!
>> You're one scary dude! On top of that, if you're willing to steal from
>> Microsoft, what does that mean for my data if I had colocated servers or
>> rented server space from you?
>>
>> I just wish there was a way I could get this information to your
>> customers
>> and your potential customers! I'm going to go back to your website and
>> see
>> if you have any customer testimonials or anything there.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>
>> "UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news53CA634-849F-4607-96B8-862DF77B8ABE@microsoft.com...
>> >I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
>> >but
>> > it's buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
>> > stable,
>> > so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I've got 6
>> > months
>> > before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
>> > the
>> > plan anyway.
>> >
>> > So a few weeks go by and I see RTM on the Internet, but I don't get a
>> > copy
>> > of that one in the mail. MS no doubt wants me to buy it. I'm thought
>> > that
>> > wouldn't be a problem, but I can't find it. I own a telecom company in
>> > Dallas. I have a few hundred Win2K3 licenses, and a dozen or so XP
>> > License
>> > on
>> > workstations: spending plenty of money with MS, but my vendor doesn't
>> > have
>> > Vista, and I can't find a vendor on the MS Partner site to sell it to
>> > me.
>> > I
>> > leave all kinds of voicemails with these rinky dink outfits, but no one
>> > really has it to sell me TODAY. Not even retail like Best Buy, or
>> > CompUSA,
>> > nobody.
>> >
>> > But I see it all over the Internet, my techs have it, my friends have
>> > it,
>> > but I don't have it. So I download it, and read the details. It seems
>> > that
>> > this pirated RTM copy simply installs and pretends to be a beta. Now we
>> > all
>> > know even the RTM is going to have quite a few patches in the next few
>> > months, so in my mind the only difference is that this "beta" is a
>> > little
>> > newer than RC2. So I install the pirated copy, apply the crack, and I'm
>> > on
>> > Build 6000 that thinks it's RC2.
>> >
>> > Well, that worked for a few weeks. Then MS released some Genuine
>> > Advantage
>> > Activation thing, I UNCLICKED that update knowing it wasn't a good idea
>> > to
>> > install on my "pirated" copy, and it installed anyway. Then Vista
>> > disables
>> > my
>> > Aero (not sure why that even matters, but I miss it), and brings up the
>> > Software Licensing window at awkward times, steals focus, and generally
>> > pisses me off. But I had a previous experience with Genuine Advantage
>> > on
>> > XP,
>> > and you could complete the form, give MS your Credit Card, and they'd
>> > sell
>> > you a legitimate license right then. A truly ingenious move on the part
>> > of
>> > MS, no telling how much money they made off that one feature,
>> > converting
>> > lazy
>> > pirates to customers.
>> >
>> > But in Vista, there is no such option. The Buy Now button sends you to
>> > option screens, that send you to companies that can't even sell you the
>> > product, not even a volume license, for any amount of money.
>> >
>> > So can someone, anyone, tell me how to buy the damn product today? I
>> > don't
>> > care what it cost, I don't even really care what version it is. I just
>> > like
>> > the basic features and want to upgrade my personal machines, and my
>> > office
>> > machines.
>> >
>>
>>

"Erik Funkenbusch" <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message
news:1rq8s593vud2t.dlg@funkenbusch.com...
> While hardware was indeed a problem, the real problem was that OS/2 uses
> ring 2 for device drivers, something that no other OS does. VMWare and
> most other emulators had trouble with this and didn't really work well.
> Some have claimed to get it running while others say they haven't been
> able
> to... not sure who to believe.

OS/2 runs fine in VPC. I've been running eCS 1.0 (OS/2 4.5) in VPC for a
couple of years now. In fact it's easier to install in VPC than on real
hardware, since chances are you can't find drivers for the real hardware.

Mike