Vista - The Reluctant Pirate

UnionDatacom wrote:

> Too late, I just bought the MSDN. I am just excited Microsoft thought I was
> worthy enough to take my money. Now I shall wait by my mailbox, because the
> largest company on the planet apparently doesn't have the security or means
> to do instant activation of MSDN accounts for some reason. I didn't even get
> a receipt by email, hmmm...

UnionDataCom:

You do know that the MSDN license is only for testing, evaluation and
development (or some such phrase) and not for day-to-day use?

David Wilkinson

Uniondatacom you seem very eager to get your hands on something that you
already have if your already using RC2 then it's the closest you'll get to
RTM 6000 before it goes on sale after january the 30 th

be happy with what you have now there is no need for desperate measures or
piracy the wait won't be long

just sit back and enjoy the ride and watch all the other desperate fools
trying to figure out how to be the first to get their hands on it, thats
quite entertaining and it passes the times quite well

"UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news53CA634-849F-4607-96B8-862DF77B8ABE@microsoft.com...
>I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
>but
> it's buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
> stable,
> so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I've got 6
> months
> before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
> the
> plan anyway.
>
> So a few weeks go by and I see RTM on the Internet, but I don't get a
> copy
> of that one in the mail. MS no doubt wants me to buy it. I'm thought that
> wouldn't be a problem, but I can't find it. I own a telecom company in
> Dallas. I have a few hundred Win2K3 licenses, and a dozen or so XP License
> on
> workstations: spending plenty of money with MS, but my vendor doesn't have
> Vista, and I can't find a vendor on the MS Partner site to sell it to me.
> I
> leave all kinds of voicemails with these rinky dink outfits, but no one
> really has it to sell me TODAY. Not even retail like Best Buy, or CompUSA,
> nobody.
>
> But I see it all over the Internet, my techs have it, my friends have it,
> but I don't have it. So I download it, and read the details. It seems that
> this pirated RTM copy simply installs and pretends to be a beta. Now we
> all
> know even the RTM is going to have quite a few patches in the next few
> months, so in my mind the only difference is that this "beta" is a little
> newer than RC2. So I install the pirated copy, apply the crack, and I'm on
> Build 6000 that thinks it's RC2.
>
> Well, that worked for a few weeks. Then MS released some Genuine
> Advantage
> Activation thing, I UNCLICKED that update knowing it wasn't a good idea to
> install on my "pirated" copy, and it installed anyway. Then Vista disables
> my
> Aero (not sure why that even matters, but I miss it), and brings up the
> Software Licensing window at awkward times, steals focus, and generally
> pisses me off. But I had a previous experience with Genuine Advantage on
> XP,
> and you could complete the form, give MS your Credit Card, and they'd sell
> you a legitimate license right then. A truly ingenious move on the part of
> MS, no telling how much money they made off that one feature, converting
> lazy
> pirates to customers.
>
> But in Vista, there is no such option. The Buy Now button sends you to
> option screens, that send you to companies that can't even sell you the
> product, not even a volume license, for any amount of money.
>
> So can someone, anyone, tell me how to buy the damn product today? I don't
> care what it cost, I don't even really care what version it is. I just
> like
> the basic features and want to upgrade my personal machines, and my office
> machines.
>

or get it when ya want,through various legit channels,
and use Windows mail in Vista to read posts from people in XP that post
stupid stuff like

"just sit back and enjoy the ride and watch all the other desperate fools
trying to figure out how to be the first to get their hands on it, thats
quite entertaining and it passes the times quite well"

Now that's REALLY funny

"Will" <imagine_44@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uS8ZDebJHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Uniondatacom you seem very eager to get your hands on something that you
> already have if your already using RC2 then it's the closest you'll get to
> RTM 6000 before it goes on sale after january the 30 th
>
> be happy with what you have now there is no need for desperate measures or
> piracy the wait won't be long
>
> just sit back and enjoy the ride and watch all the other desperate fools
> trying to figure out how to be the first to get their hands on it, thats
> quite entertaining and it passes the times quite well
>
> "UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news53CA634-849F-4607-96B8-862DF77B8ABE@microsoft.com...
>>I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
>>but
>> it's buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
>> stable,
>> so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I've got 6
>> months
>> before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
>> the
>> plan anyway.
>>
>> So a few weeks go by and I see RTM on the Internet, but I don't get a
>> copy
>> of that one in the mail. MS no doubt wants me to buy it. I'm thought that
>> wouldn't be a problem, but I can't find it. I own a telecom company in
>> Dallas. I have a few hundred Win2K3 licenses, and a dozen or so XP
>> License on
>> workstations: spending plenty of money with MS, but my vendor doesn't
>> have
>> Vista, and I can't find a vendor on the MS Partner site to sell it to me.
>> I
>> leave all kinds of voicemails with these rinky dink outfits, but no one
>> really has it to sell me TODAY. Not even retail like Best Buy, or
>> CompUSA,
>> nobody.
>>
>> But I see it all over the Internet, my techs have it, my friends have it,
>> but I don't have it. So I download it, and read the details. It seems
>> that
>> this pirated RTM copy simply installs and pretends to be a beta. Now we
>> all
>> know even the RTM is going to have quite a few patches in the next few
>> months, so in my mind the only difference is that this "beta" is a little
>> newer than RC2. So I install the pirated copy, apply the crack, and I'm
>> on
>> Build 6000 that thinks it's RC2.
>>
>> Well, that worked for a few weeks. Then MS released some Genuine
>> Advantage
>> Activation thing, I UNCLICKED that update knowing it wasn't a good idea
>> to
>> install on my "pirated" copy, and it installed anyway. Then Vista
>> disables my
>> Aero (not sure why that even matters, but I miss it), and brings up the
>> Software Licensing window at awkward times, steals focus, and generally
>> pisses me off. But I had a previous experience with Genuine Advantage on
>> XP,
>> and you could complete the form, give MS your Credit Card, and they'd
>> sell
>> you a legitimate license right then. A truly ingenious move on the part
>> of
>> MS, no telling how much money they made off that one feature, converting
>> lazy
>> pirates to customers.
>>
>> But in Vista, there is no such option. The Buy Now button sends you to
>> option screens, that send you to companies that can't even sell you the
>> product, not even a volume license, for any amount of money.
>>
>> So can someone, anyone, tell me how to buy the damn product today? I
>> don't
>> care what it cost, I don't even really care what version it is. I just
>> like
>> the basic features and want to upgrade my personal machines, and my
>> office
>> machines.
>>
>
>

I have to wonder about your telecom company. You installed a pirated copy
of Vista? I hope it wasn't on your company network! If you go to
Microsoft.com/windowsvista, you'll see that it is generally available
January 30th. Is there something so important in Vista that you'd risk your
PC and company's systems to a pirated and admittedly modified version of
Vista and couldn't even live with RC2 until January?

Being intelligent enough to run a datacom business with a few hundred W2K3
licenses (sounds like a web-hosting or server-hosting company) you'd think
that you'd be smart enough to avoid hacked and illegal downloads and to know
that Vista will be out in January. I don't know about all versions of the
Open License program but it was my understanding that the "largest"
customers would be the ones for which Vista was made available in November.
Whether you can get it now or have to wait until January doesn't give you
the right to steal a copy now.

I just went to http://uniondatacom.com. You're hosting customer servers and
offering customers server space and yet you download an obviously hacked
version of Windows Vista from an unknown source and risk your hundreds of
W2K3 server customers' data? If I were looking for services you offer (and
I have used them in the past) I would absolutely avoid Union Datacom!
You're one scary dude! On top of that, if you're willing to steal from
Microsoft, what does that mean for my data if I had colocated servers or
rented server space from you?

I just wish there was a way I could get this information to your customers
and your potential customers! I'm going to go back to your website and see
if you have any customer testimonials or anything there.

Dale


"UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news53CA634-849F-4607-96B8-862DF77B8ABE@microsoft.com...
>I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
>but
> it’s buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
> stable,
> so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I’ve got 6
> months
> before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
> the
> plan anyway.
>
> So a few weeks go by and I see RTM on the Internet, but I don’t get a
> copy
> of that one in the mail. MS no doubt wants me to buy it. I’m thought that
> wouldn’t be a problem, but I can’t find it. I own a telecom company in
> Dallas. I have a few hundred Win2K3 licenses, and a dozen or so XP License
> on
> workstations: spending plenty of money with MS, but my vendor doesn’t have
> Vista, and I can’t find a vendor on the MS Partner site to sell it to me.
> I
> leave all kinds of voicemails with these rinky dink outfits, but no one
> really has it to sell me TODAY. Not even retail like Best Buy, or CompUSA,
> nobody.
>
> But I see it all over the Internet, my techs have it, my friends have it,
> but I don’t have it. So I download it, and read the details. It seems that
> this pirated RTM copy simply installs and pretends to be a beta. Now we
> all
> know even the RTM is going to have quite a few patches in the next few
> months, so in my mind the only difference is that this “beta� is a little
> newer than RC2. So I install the pirated copy, apply the crack, and I’m on
> Build 6000 that thinks it’s RC2.
>
> Well, that worked for a few weeks. Then MS released some Genuine
> Advantage
> Activation thing, I UNCLICKED that update knowing it wasn’t a good idea to
> install on my “pirated� copy, and it installed anyway. Then Vista disables
> my
> Aero (not sure why that even matters, but I miss it), and brings up the
> Software Licensing window at awkward times, steals focus, and generally
> pisses me off. But I had a previous experience with Genuine Advantage on
> XP,
> and you could complete the form, give MS your Credit Card, and they’d sell
> you a legitimate license right then. A truly ingenious move on the part of
> MS, no telling how much money they made off that one feature, converting
> lazy
> pirates to customers.
>
> But in Vista, there is no such option. The Buy Now button sends you to
> option screens, that send you to companies that can’t even sell you the
> product, not even a volume license, for any amount of money.
>
> So can someone, anyone, tell me how to buy the damn product today? I don’t
> care what it cost, I don’t even really care what version it is. I just
> like
> the basic features and want to upgrade my personal machines, and my office
> machines.
>

I wish they would do that but I thought they had said, so far, that they
wouldn't?

Dale

"Colin Nash [MVP]" <abc@123.xyz> wrote in message
news:990ADD8A-B11B-4093-96A8-BBC3901F3E83@microsoft.com...
>
> "UnionDatacom" <UnionDatacom@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news53CA634-849F-4607-96B8-862DF77B8ABE@microsoft.com...
>>I get my Vista RC1 Beat copy in the mail, and install it. I love the OS,
>>but
>> it’s buggy. I got RC2 my email, and it was improved. Close enough to
>> stable,
>> so I kill my dual-boot config and start using it, knowing I’ve got 6
>> months
>> before it expires and that I can easily buy it retail by then, that was
>> the
>> plan anyway.
>
>
> Hmm well you can buy a Technet or MSDN subscription which costs and
> includes a lot more but by the time you receive it, Vista will be in
> retail.
>
> Just a few more weeks!
>
> (Slightly off-topic: Vista RTM will install and work for 30 days without
> requiring you to enter a key but the edition [Home Premium, Ultimate etc]
> you choose during setup must match the key you eventually punch in or you
> need to do a full reinstall. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft uses
> this new system at some point to allow people to just download Vista and
> order the key online, burning their own physical media. I'm just guessing
> there though, but it makes sense.)

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:%23gnn1OdJHHA.4068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I have to wonder about your telecom company. You installed a pirated copy
>of Vista? I hope it wasn't on your company network! If you go to
>Microsoft.com/windowsvista, you'll see that it is generally available
>January 30th. Is there something so important in Vista that you'd risk
>your PC and company's systems to a pirated and admittedly modified version
>of Vista and couldn't even live with RC2 until January?
>
> Being intelligent enough to run a datacom business with a few hundred W2K3
> licenses (sounds like a web-hosting or server-hosting company) you'd think
> that you'd be smart enough to avoid hacked and illegal downloads and to
> know that Vista will be out in January. I don't know about all versions
> of the Open License program but it was my understanding that the "largest"
> customers would be the ones for which Vista was made available in
> November. Whether you can get it now or have to wait until January doesn't
> give you the right to steal a copy now.
>
> I just went to http://uniondatacom.com. You're hosting customer servers
> and offering customers server space and yet you download an obviously
> hacked version of Windows Vista from an unknown source and risk your
> hundreds of W2K3 server customers' data? If I were looking for services
> you offer (and I have used them in the past) I would absolutely avoid
> Union Datacom! You're one scary dude! On top of that, if you're willing
> to steal from Microsoft, what does that mean for my data if I had
> colocated servers or rented server space from you?
>
> I just wish there was a way I could get this information to your customers
> and your potential customers! I'm going to go back to your website and
> see if you have any customer testimonials or anything there.

Oh please shut up.

He doesn't care. He admitted that stole Vista once, he apparently doesn't
mind stealing it again.

Would you risk colocating your server or data with his company at
http://uniondatacom.com? Could you even trust him to use his PBX service
where he would have the ability to record and sell your calling history or
even your calls themselves?

Is this a man you would trust? A company you would trust? Not me!

Dale

"David Wilkinson" <no-reply@effisols.com> wrote in message
news:O4sy5IbJHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> UnionDatacom wrote:
>
>> Too late, I just bought the MSDN. I am just excited Microsoft thought I
>> was worthy enough to take my money. Now I shall wait by my mailbox,
>> because the largest company on the planet apparently doesn't have the
>> security or means to do instant activation of MSDN accounts for some
>> reason. I didn't even get a receipt by email, hmmm...
>
> UnionDataCom:
>
> You do know that the MSDN license is only for testing, evaluation and
> development (or some such phrase) and not for day-to-day use?
>
> David Wilkinson

> Would you risk colocating your server or data with his company at
> http://uniondatacom.com? Could you even trust him to use his PBX service
> where he would have the ability to record and sell your calling history or
> even your calls themselves?
>
> Is this a man you would trust? A company you would trust? Not me!

If he totally replaced XP with Vista Betas on production machines, I
wouldn't even trust his technical competence let alone his integrity!

Tom Lake

AFAIK, the trial is not available.

But RTM will install without a Product Key but will expire in 30 days if not
activated.
Vista can not be activated without a Product key..

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%230$eu8YJHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I think it is the new trial edition.
>
> "Colin Nash [MVP]" <abc@123.xyz> wrote in message
> news:990ADD8A-B11B-4093-96A8-BBC3901F3E83@microsoft.com...
>> Hmm well you can buy a Technet or MSDN subscription which costs and
>> includes a lot more but by the time you receive it, Vista will be in
>> retail.
>>
>> Just a few more weeks!
>>
>> (Slightly off-topic: Vista RTM will install and work for 30 days without
>> requiring you to enter a key but the edition [Home Premium, Ultimate etc]
>> you choose during setup must match the key you eventually punch in or you
>> need to do a full reinstall. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft uses
>> this new system at some point to allow people to just download Vista and
>> order the key online, burning their own physical media. I'm just
>> guessing there though, but it makes sense.)

Oh please... for gods sake.
I dont like the piracy but the man actually do have a point. People are
actually dumping Microsoft because of the system is just as heavy as a
mountain. Micrsoft is getting pretty much annoying in lots of ways - it is
possible that they call it security and for the customers benefit, but to
say it out loud: it is getting just as difficult to get their systems to
work than to get a fat man through a keyhole. Nothing simpler than beuacracy
is about to run through Microsoft and that is why huge companies, goverments
etc simply jumps to Linux and opensource-standards. No one can afford
Microsoft it - not because of the unfair prices, but also time used to
install, fix and so on - everyone hates it because its too complex.
Like my old school - first they removed the OLC (Open Learning Center - lots
of computer with bunch of programs). Thats just the same as telling the
students to use piracy because no living student can afford huge systems
like Adobe, Microsoft Office, discreet etc. Then, and a couple of months
ago, the entire school started to imigrate to Linux when possible.

The point is: Microsoft is properly the most used software developer - and
yes! they actually gave us .NET for **FREE** (bling bling), but its a mess
to get it working, and its a mess to get it, install it and stuff like that.
Its like smoking cigerats: if cigarets was invented today it would be
illegal: if Microsoft just popped up today - they would have to make better
systems than they are currently doing


And i still remember a joke i saw in the late 90

Windows CE
Windows ME
Windows NT =
Windows CEMENT

.... which by the way still is so true... currently my Vista-library is about
14GB which is 10GB overdue if you ask me compared to other systems.
And for the record: i still think that Micrsoft is great. I love it alot -
but still - its like someone is sleeping (and Vista did it for like 5 years
and woke up half amputatet and pretty much bigger (in GB) than expected -
thats not a nice result for a overdue sleep)



// peter
sorry about gramma and stuff <--- from denmark

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:%231ufoUdJHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> He doesn't care. He admitted that stole Vista once, he apparently doesn't
> mind stealing it again.
>
> Would you risk colocating your server or data with his company at
> http://uniondatacom.com? Could you even trust him to use his PBX service
> where he would have the ability to record and sell your calling history or
> even your calls themselves?
>
> Is this a man you would trust? A company you would trust? Not me!
>
> Dale
>
> "David Wilkinson" <no-reply@effisols.com> wrote in message
> news:O4sy5IbJHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> UnionDatacom wrote:
>>
>>> Too late, I just bought the MSDN. I am just excited Microsoft thought I
>>> was worthy enough to take my money. Now I shall wait by my mailbox,
>>> because the largest company on the planet apparently doesn't have the
>>> security or means to do instant activation of MSDN accounts for some
>>> reason. I didn't even get a receipt by email, hmmm...
>>
>> UnionDataCom:
>>
>> You do know that the MSDN license is only for testing, evaluation and
>> development (or some such phrase) and not for day-to-day use?
>>
>> David Wilkinson
>