Vista - On the bright side

Vista plays well with Zune.

Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the Zune
wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the beamed
songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own recordings
(college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of other Zune
glitches I outlined this group when it released.

CH


"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
> Vista plays well with Zune.

And even worse, the marketing materials do not say anything about the
limitation of beamed media. I saw, over and over again this holiday season,
people looking at Zune and saying how cool the wireless capability looked to
them. Every time I heard that comment, I asked if they knew the beamed
music could only be started 3 times. Not one single person knew it and
nothing in the display said that.

I see a class action suit coming out of this one.

Dale

"Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
news:%23TmTl49KHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the Zune
> wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the beamed
> songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own
> recordings (college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of
> other Zune glitches I outlined this group when it released.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
>> Vista plays well with Zune.
>

And any class action suit in the arena of DRM is a good thing!

Dale

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:Oko1799KHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> And even worse, the marketing materials do not say anything about the
> limitation of beamed media. I saw, over and over again this holiday
> season, people looking at Zune and saying how cool the wireless capability
> looked to them. Every time I heard that comment, I asked if they knew the
> beamed music could only be started 3 times. Not one single person knew it
> and nothing in the display said that.
>
> I see a class action suit coming out of this one.
>
> Dale
>
> "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
> news:%23TmTl49KHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the Zune
>> wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the beamed
>> songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own
>> recordings (college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of
>> other Zune glitches I outlined this group when it released.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>> "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
>>> Vista plays well with Zune.
>>
>

Well, if you want to get all legal and technical about it and all. It is done
that way for a reason. The machine doesn't know whether the beamed file is
copywrite or not. Terefore, it must treat all beamed files as such. Limited
availibility. Otherwise, it would be the perfect tool for piracy, which is
illegal. Note the same limitation on the new Napster, which if you download a
song, you are only able to access it for 7 or 15 days (memory fails) unless
you actually buy it.
The zune has that great beaming option for short term sharing only. If you
read the paperwork, or the Zune site, you will see that. As I have said
before, if you don't read the contract, you have no one to blame when you get
screwed. Me, I knew the limitations, but it is just a better system than the
IPOD.


"Dale" wrote:

> And even worse, the marketing materials do not say anything about the
> limitation of beamed media. I saw, over and over again this holiday season,
> people looking at Zune and saying how cool the wireless capability looked to
> them. Every time I heard that comment, I asked if they knew the beamed
> music could only be started 3 times. Not one single person knew it and
> nothing in the display said that.
>
> I see a class action suit coming out of this one.
>
> Dale
>
> "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
> news:%23TmTl49KHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the Zune
> > wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the beamed
> > songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own
> > recordings (college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of
> > other Zune glitches I outlined this group when it released.
> >
> > CH
> >
> >
> > "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
> >> Vista plays well with Zune.
> >
>
>

The device itself was built by Toshiba. They are notorious for DRM.

"Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
news:%23TmTl49KHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the Zune
> wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the beamed
> songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own
> recordings (college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of
> other Zune glitches I outlined this group when it released.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
>> Vista plays well with Zune.
>

I have no problem with the limitation; I only have a problem with the fact
that marketing materials say nothing about the limitation. Those I have
spoken to based their desire to buy a Zune on the wireless. In every case,
when I pointed out the limitation on beaming, they bought iPods.

As for reading the contract in this case, by the time you see the contract,
you've purchased the item and taken it home. It's like a bait-and-switch
gimmick.

Dale

"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A0A6835B-E621-4082-A25C-72F9F59B57A5@microsoft.com...
> Well, if you want to get all legal and technical about it and all. It is
> done
> that way for a reason. The machine doesn't know whether the beamed file is
> copywrite or not. Terefore, it must treat all beamed files as such.
> Limited
> availibility. Otherwise, it would be the perfect tool for piracy, which is
> illegal. Note the same limitation on the new Napster, which if you
> download a
> song, you are only able to access it for 7 or 15 days (memory fails)
> unless
> you actually buy it.
> The zune has that great beaming option for short term sharing only. If you
> read the paperwork, or the Zune site, you will see that. As I have said
> before, if you don't read the contract, you have no one to blame when you
> get
> screwed. Me, I knew the limitations, but it is just a better system than
> the
> IPOD.
>
>
> "Dale" wrote:
>
>> And even worse, the marketing materials do not say anything about the
>> limitation of beamed media. I saw, over and over again this holiday
>> season,
>> people looking at Zune and saying how cool the wireless capability looked
>> to
>> them. Every time I heard that comment, I asked if they knew the beamed
>> music could only be started 3 times. Not one single person knew it and
>> nothing in the display said that.
>>
>> I see a class action suit coming out of this one.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23TmTl49KHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the
>> > Zune
>> > wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the
>> > beamed
>> > songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own
>> > recordings (college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of
>> > other Zune glitches I outlined this group when it released.
>> >
>> > CH
>> >
>> >
>> > "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
>> >> Vista plays well with Zune.
>> >
>>
>>

Zune has been built by Toshiba as Tom said. And I have enormous respect for
Toshiba and their vast R& D resources however, Zune has a panoply of
problems right now and I would respectfully disagree that Zune is superior
to Ipod at all in its current format. I am intrigued that you would think
that, Gene.

Like Aero, Zune isn't bad looking. I don't find Aero amazing or great
looking, and it's easy to save my superlatives as to design aesthetics for
both. It's about the same size as the 80 GB Ipod.

Earbuds are awful; just like Ipod's. Earbuds are worse than nothing for most
people; then don't stay in; they hurt; they don't fit most people's external
auditory canals; and they sound like crap.

The big new feature of wireless transfer bombs because if you play a song
for a second it counts and you have 3 plays or 3 days and that means for
your lecture recording or your own band's music.

It has a fake scroll wheel that simply has 4 buttons under it and doesn't
turn.

Play for Sure bought previously won't play on Zune. MPEG-4 (simple profile
and H.264) and DivX/XviD, higher-res videos (say, up to 640x480) even
though it only has a 320x240 screen won't play on Zune. 320x240 looks like
junk played large. Gapless playback and WMA Lossless formats are not
supported in the Zune but are in the software. This is wrong.

Themes menu makes no sense.

Built in radio is a plus. Ipod needs an adapter. that costs aboout $50.

Zune to Xbox only shows 640X 480 pics. Portrait photos are on the wrong axis
for viewing.

Video can't fast forward or rewind. Ipod has built in calendar and games and
more games can be added. Zunee does not yet. Ipod has a clock; Zune does
not, not does it show time.

Zune hardly uses any wifi capability.Video synching or wireless pc synching;
uh uh.
Long distance Zune sharing or wifi access to the Zune music store;
fugheddaboudit .
You can't stream a list of songs to other Zunesters either in a DJ type
atmosphere.

There is no integration with WMP which is also made by MSFT; nor Napster or
Itunes or anything else that is Plays for Sure. This is because MSFT is
afraid of Ipod; and this is also because MSFT always wants to be in control
of every little micromanaging detail on the planet which often means they
aren't in control of anything. If you don't sell Zunes, then that "Be
Social" slogan falls flat; there aren't going to be other Zunes around.

You don't have to have a Zune to download and use the Zune software.

Album art looks bad.

..jpeg only for photos is ridiculously limiting. .mpg, .png, .bmp and Divix
aren't supported on Zune.


Points for the Zune marketplace should be dollars or Euros or whatever.
The points are about the future capabilities that MSFT plans. They also
need to mesh the movies and TV shows they are selling and renting for Xbox
with the Zune, PC, Xbox, and the cell phone.

Podcasts--not on the Zune. Wow. "Welcome to the Social"-hardly.

Zune has a lot of potential it's not utilizing or realizing at all now,
partly because the girls and boys at Bearcreek rushed it to market for the
holiday season of 2006.

Over 80 percent of 2007 cars will have an iPod connector option -- zero for
Zune.

Right now there's only one Zune model; there's no equivalent of the iPod
Nano or Shuffle.

CH


"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A0A6835B-E621-4082-A25C-72F9F59B57A5@microsoft.com...
> Well, if you want to get all legal and technical about it and all. It is
> done
> that way for a reason. The machine doesn't know whether the beamed file is
> copywrite or not. Terefore, it must treat all beamed files as such.
> Limited
> availibility. Otherwise, it would be the perfect tool for piracy, which is
> illegal. Note the same limitation on the new Napster, which if you
> download a
> song, you are only able to access it for 7 or 15 days (memory fails)
> unless
> you actually buy it.
> The zune has that great beaming option for short term sharing only. If you
> read the paperwork, or the Zune site, you will see that. As I have said
> before, if you don't read the contract, you have no one to blame when you
> get
> screwed. Me, I knew the limitations, but it is just a better system than
> the
> IPOD.
>
>
> "Dale" wrote:
>
>> And even worse, the marketing materials do not say anything about the
>> limitation of beamed media. I saw, over and over again this holiday
>> season,
>> people looking at Zune and saying how cool the wireless capability looked
>> to
>> them. Every time I heard that comment, I asked if they knew the beamed
>> music could only be started 3 times. Not one single person knew it and
>> nothing in the display said that.
>>
>> I see a class action suit coming out of this one.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23TmTl49KHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> > Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the
>> > Zune
>> > wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the
>> > beamed
>> > songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own
>> > recordings (college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of
>> > other Zune glitches I outlined this group when it released.
>> >
>> > CH
>> >
>> >
>> > "Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
>> >> Vista plays well with Zune.
>> >
>>
>>

from what i read on this thread about the zune...

it too has vista quality!

I will never come near a zune....

3 times to play...lol they can stick their zune where no one has gone
before!

"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
> Vista plays well with Zune.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 01:45:52 -0500, "Chad Harris"
<fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote:

>Zune teams took a bright idea and turned it into mush. They have the Zune
>wirelessly beaming songs or photos to another Zune. Stupidly, the beamed
>songs self-destruct in 3 days or 3 plays, including someone's own recordings
>(college lectures, band demos, etc.) There are a panoply of other Zune
>glitches I outlined this group when it released.
>
>CH
>
>
>"Gene Fitz" <GeneFitz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:8C813342-0301-4E9F-8965-C83656100414@microsoft.com...
>> Vista plays well with Zune.


I see Chad still doesn't know how to reply to a thread without
creating a new one.