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"arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
newsan.2006.12.30.20.54.02.344551@goawayspammers.com...
> Sorry, I somehow messed up the quoting. The message should have read:

Actually, it was because you responded to DCR's post instead of mine.


> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0500, DCR wrote:
>
> "mxh" wrote:
>
>> "A very important concept. Unfortunately, it is widely misinterpreted
>> these days, as you have just demonstrated. The framers of the
>> constituion institued 'separation of church and state' to protect the
>> church, NOT the state."
>
> No, they instituted separation of church and state to protect the union
> and the people from a dangerous merging of religion and government.
> State-sponsored persecutions and religious wars had long been commonplace
> under the church-dominated governments of Europe. There were strong
> religious differences even among the 13 Colonies and it was feared that
> allowing each to introduce their particular religion into government, even
> just locally, would inevitably lead to divisive religious wars between the
> states that would fracture the union and, just incidentally, also get a
> whole lot of good people killed.

What you say here is true, but it hardly excludes the reality that the
motivating factor was to keep government out of religion. After all, freedom
to practice one's own religion was a large motivating factor in leaving
Europe to begin with. And that the "church-dominated government" contributed
to the persecution of those wishing to practice anything other than "state
sponsered" religions only proves the point.

The foundational reason for the separation of church and state *was* to
protect the church, even if from itself.



> --
> "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the
> exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them."
> - Frederick Douglas
>

"mxh" <mxh@mmm.com> wrote in message news:ufTF8xFLHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|| I suppose the contradiction here is lost on you, given that you are the only
| one doing any name calling here, genius.

Genius! Why thank you.
And I am SURE that reality and truth is entirely lost on you.
Name calling? An ass, is an ass, is an ass, is an ass, is an ass...


| Thus the term "generally", by which one can assume 'often, but not always
| the case', and "assume", whose definition includes the term 'suppose'.
| Perhaps your glasses need cleaning?

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle... (typical conservative excuse!)
NO glasses (20-20), another moronic ASSumption?


| Must you be antagonistic *and* obtuse? One at a time, please (if you can
| manage it). Both at once are entirely too annoying.

Must you be deluded *and* ignorant? NONE at a time please (although
you can obviously NOT manage it). Your drivel is just too, too annoying.

"| What you say here is true, but it hardly excludes the reality that the
| motivating factor was to keep government out of religion. After all, freedom
| to practice one's own religion was a large motivating factor in leaving
| Europe to begin with. And that the "church-dominated government" contributed
| to the persecution of those wishing to practice anything other than "state
| sponsered" religions only proves the point.

Proves the point that the church had no business in government.

| The foundational reason for the separation of church and state *was* to
| protect the church, even if from itself.

The foundational reason for the separation of church and state *WAS*
to protect the church from the state AND TO PROTECT THE STATE
FROM THE CHURCH.
READ THOMAS JEFFERSON, READ JAMES MADISON!!!!!!

You Christian loonies:
Get out of my government, get out of my schools, get out of my research
laboratories (I would much rather unused embryos get used for medical
research than get thrown in the trash and burned), get out of my bedroom,
GET OUT OF MY LIFE (if you are in my government you are in my life).

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:03:55 -0600, mxh wrote:

>
> "arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2006.12.30.20.54.02.344551@goawayspammers.com...
>> Sorry, I somehow messed up the quoting. The message should have read:
>
> Actually, it was because you responded to DCR's post instead of mine.

Yeah, I decided later to reply to you instead and got myself confused
looking for your post again. Still don't understand why the attribution
got left out because it was in DCR's post. It probably has something
to do with my source modifications. Part of the fun of open source is
breaking the source code. :-)

>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0500, DCR wrote:
>>
>> "mxh" wrote:
>>
>>> "A very important concept. Unfortunately, it is widely misinterpreted
>>> these days, as you have just demonstrated. The framers of the
>>> constituion institued 'separation of church and state' to protect the
>>> church, NOT the state."
>>
>> No, they instituted separation of church and state to protect the union
>> and the people from a dangerous merging of religion and government.
>> State-sponsored persecutions and religious wars had long been
>> commonplace under the church-dominated governments of Europe. There
>> were strong religious differences even among the 13 Colonies and it was
>> feared that allowing each to introduce their particular religion into
>> government, even just locally, would inevitably lead to divisive
>> religious wars between the states that would fracture the union and,
>> just incidentally, also get a whole lot of good people killed.
>
> What you say here is true, but it hardly excludes the reality that the
> motivating factor was to keep government out of religion.

The motivating factor was to keep the two from merging, in other words
both to keep government out of religion and to keep religion out of
the government.

> After all, freedom to practice one's own religion was a large motivating
> factor in leaving Europe to begin with. And that the "church-dominated
> government" contributed to the persecution of those wishing to practice
> anything other than "state sponsered" religions only proves the point.

You're still seeing only one side of a two-sided coin.

DCR wrote:
> "caver1" <dlarrabe@columbus.rr.435.com> wrote in message
> news:4596C898.5040106@columbus.rr.435.com...
> |"...and Gore only wanted the votes counted in 2 counties where he thought
> |he would win."
>
> And it has since been proved that if the whole state had been counted
> Gore would have won.
>
>

Thats not the point. The point is neither of them wanted all the counts
voted.

"arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
newsan.2006.12.31.00.33.47.518850@goawayspammers.com...
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:03:55 -0600, mxh wrote:
>
>>
>> "arachnid" <none@goawayspammers.com> wrote in message
>> newsan.2006.12.30.20.54.02.344551@goawayspammers.com...
>>> Sorry, I somehow messed up the quoting. The message should have read:
>>
>> Actually, it was because you responded to DCR's post instead of mine.
>
> Yeah, I decided later to reply to you instead and got myself confused
> looking for your post again. Still don't understand why the attribution
> got left out because it was in DCR's post. It probably has something
> to do with my source modifications. Part of the fun of open source is
> breaking the source code. :-)
>
>>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:14:36 -0500, DCR wrote:
>>>
>>> "mxh" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "A very important concept. Unfortunately, it is widely misinterpreted
>>>> these days, as you have just demonstrated. The framers of the
>>>> constituion institued 'separation of church and state' to protect the
>>>> church, NOT the state."
>>>
>>> No, they instituted separation of church and state to protect the union
>>> and the people from a dangerous merging of religion and government.
>>> State-sponsored persecutions and religious wars had long been
>>> commonplace under the church-dominated governments of Europe. There
>>> were strong religious differences even among the 13 Colonies and it was
>>> feared that allowing each to introduce their particular religion into
>>> government, even just locally, would inevitably lead to divisive
>>> religious wars between the states that would fracture the union and,
>>> just incidentally, also get a whole lot of good people killed.
>>
>> What you say here is true, but it hardly excludes the reality that the
>> motivating factor was to keep government out of religion.
>
> The motivating factor was to keep the two from merging, in other words
> both to keep government out of religion and to keep religion out of
> the government.
>
>> After all, freedom to practice one's own religion was a large motivating
>> factor in leaving Europe to begin with. And that the "church-dominated
>> government" contributed to the persecution of those wishing to practice
>> anything other than "state sponsered" religions only proves the point.
>
> You're still seeing only one side of a two-sided coin.

Actually, I'm not. Perhaps the misunderstanding stems from the fact that I
consider the church to be the *people*. Not an organization, not the church
leaders, not a building, but the *people*. And I do agree that protecting
the people entails keeping the church out of the state insofar as power and
politics corrupt, and once the church leaders enter the political arena, I
believe that they are even more vulnerable to corruption that the average
politician.

However, given that the constitution was written for the people (who
comprise the 'church'), separation for church and state was written for the
*people* that comprise the church. Hopefully, I'm explaining myself more
clearly now.

That said, separation of church and state shouldn't be confused with value
systems and morality. I do believe that if government exercised *real*
christian values, the nation and the people would be much better off.
Unfortunately, finding one who exercises *and* lives true Christian values
is difficult. Adversely, finding those who profess Christianity in
conversation only is all too common.

Here's where ignorance, stupidity and dumbness fail DCR:

DCR wrote: "You Christian loonies:"
DCR wrote: "get out of my research laboratories (I would much rather unused
embryos get used for medical research than get thrown in the trash and
burned)"

I follow the Christian faith and I'm 100% for this research. I know and
have read about countless people that are NOT of the Christian faith that
are 100% against this research. So this is more or less more proof that you
have an agenda and do nothing but speak out your ass.

Think Think Think before you speak.

"Justin" <Justin@NoSpam.com> wrote in message news:%23FwARSLLHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Here's where ignorance, stupidity and dumbness fail DCR:
|
| DCR wrote: "You Christian loonies:"
| DCR wrote: "get out of my research laboratories (I would much rather unused
| embryos get used for medical research than get thrown in the trash and
| burned)"
|
| I follow the Christian faith and I'm 100% for this research. I know and
| have read about countless people that are NOT of the Christian faith that
| are 100% against this research. So this is more or less more proof that you
| have an agenda and do nothing but speak out your ass.
|
| Think Think Think before you speak.

Do you have nothing but platitudes and simplistic, moronic swill to say?
Damn, you are a child. And you think like a child.
Go pick up your toys, take your head out of your ass, grow up and leave
the thinking to the adults.

An agenda? -- more trivial canned "Conservative Christian Reactionary
Drivel".

Thank you for proving my point. It's already been proven a couple times in
this thread. Once you are backed up against a wall with nothing but your BS
this is the best you can bring to the table.

I gave a perfectly valid point as to how your "thinking" betrays you and you
completely ignore it and jump right to the blah blah blah.




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"DCR" <dcr@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%23mXj3hQLHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "Justin" <Justin@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FwARSLLHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | Here's where ignorance, stupidity and dumbness fail DCR:
> |
> | DCR wrote: "You Christian loonies:"
> | DCR wrote: "get out of my research laboratories (I would much rather
> unused
> | embryos get used for medical research than get thrown in the trash and
> | burned)"
> |
> | I follow the Christian faith and I'm 100% for this research. I know and
> | have read about countless people that are NOT of the Christian faith
> that
> | are 100% against this research. So this is more or less more proof that
> you
> | have an agenda and do nothing but speak out your ass.
> |
> | Think Think Think before you speak.
>
> Do you have nothing but platitudes and simplistic, moronic swill to say?
> Damn, you are a child. And you think like a child.
> Go pick up your toys, take your head out of your ass, grow up and leave
> the thinking to the adults.
>
> An agenda? -- more trivial canned "Conservative Christian Reactionary
> Drivel".
>
>

"DCR" <dcr@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eKcBIGGLHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "| What you say here is true, but it hardly excludes the reality that the
> | motivating factor was to keep government out of religion. After all,
> freedom
> | to practice one's own religion was a large motivating factor in leaving
> | Europe to begin with. And that the "church-dominated government"
> contributed
> | to the persecution of those wishing to practice anything other than
> "state
> | sponsered" religions only proves the point.
>
> Proves the point that the church had no business in government.
>
> | The foundational reason for the separation of church and state *was* to
> | protect the church, even if from itself.
>
> The foundational reason for the separation of church and state *WAS*
> to protect the church from the state AND TO PROTECT THE STATE
> FROM THE CHURCH.
> READ THOMAS JEFFERSON, READ JAMES MADISON!!!!!!
>
> You Christian loonies:
> Get out of my government, get out of my schools, get out of my research
> laboratories (I would much rather unused embryos get used for medical
> research than get thrown in the trash and burned), get out of my bedroom,
> GET OUT OF MY LIFE (if you are in my government you are in my life).

You know, paranoid schizophrenia is a treatable disorder now.