Vista - Upgrading - what disc qualifies for upgrade version?

"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "xiowan" wrote
>
>> Hi Carey:
>> I have 3 MCE2005 computers that I am thinking of buying the Vista
>> Ultimate Upgrade O.S. with option of 2 Vista Home Premium licenses for
>> $50
>> ea. The MCE2005 O.S. on my computers were installed from 3 purchased
>> OEM
>> cds. Do these computers qualify to purchase the Vista Ultimate Upgrade
>> with
>> 2 Home Premium additional licenses @ $50.00 ea. ?
>>
>> xiowan..........in tucson
>
> Sure, it doesn't matter if the qualifying OS is OEM or retail. And for
> all three you can do either an in place upgrade or a custom install.

But suppose, in a year or so, you update motherboard, processor, etc and
want to re-install Vista from your Upgrade copy. If the qualifier XP OEM
can't be re-activated on the new system to allow Vista to install, you
appear to have a couple of coasters?

In the UK Vista Upgrade is almost double Vista OEM price so we expect it to
last a good few years. We need a clear statement from MS on the
Upgradeability of XP OEM - the EULA basically says an OEM copy dies with
the old motherboard, so on that basis buying Vista Upgrade could be an
expensive mistake in the longer term.

"cpemma" <cpemma@mexbro.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>> "xiowan" wrote
>>
>>> Hi Carey:
>>> I have 3 MCE2005 computers that I am thinking of buying the Vista
>>> Ultimate Upgrade O.S. with option of 2 Vista Home Premium licenses for
>>> $50
>>> ea. The MCE2005 O.S. on my computers were installed from 3 purchased
>>> OEM
>>> cds. Do these computers qualify to purchase the Vista Ultimate Upgrade
>>> with
>>> 2 Home Premium additional licenses @ $50.00 ea. ?
>>>
>>> xiowan..........in tucson
>>
>> Sure, it doesn't matter if the qualifying OS is OEM or retail. And for
>> all three you can do either an in place upgrade or a custom install.
>
> But suppose, in a year or so, you update motherboard, processor, etc and
> want to re-install Vista from your Upgrade copy. If the qualifier XP OEM
> can't be re-activated on the new system to allow Vista to install, you
> appear to have a couple of coasters?

Yep, that does appear to be a problem if the XP OS can't be installed and
activated. It's been the same problem with OEM copies in XP. Depending on
who you get at the activation call center. It would be great if there was
something clear and specific about what constitutes a new computer for
purposes of the OEM license.

That's one reason I stay away from OEM.

> In the UK Vista Upgrade is almost double Vista OEM price so we expect it
> to last a good few years. We need a clear statement from MS on the
> Upgradeability of XP OEM - the EULA basically says an OEM copy dies with
> the old motherboard, so on that basis buying Vista Upgrade could be an
> expensive mistake in the longer term.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Hi "Rock":
This is kinda funny..........I can only use an OEM Vista on a new
machine. Now I would have to argue with microsoft that a new hard drive
makes it a new machine! I'd be playing right into their hands and the next
new hard drive would invalidate my license because "I" myself said it was a
new machine the last time I changed hard drives LOL. I could buy a new Core
2 Duo processor & compatible motherboard with the difference in price between
a Vista Ultimate Retail & an OEM Home Premium! Well anyway, I really
appreciate the information you've all given me and I guess I'd be better off
just waiting a while until the probable bugs are fixed in the first service
pack since a dual boot to preserve my current O.S. doesn't seem feasible.

xiowan.........in tucson

"Rock" wrote:

> "xiowan" wrote
>
> > Hi again "Rock":
> > Can a Vista Home Premium OEM O.S. be used on the same pc with a MCE2005
> > OEM O.S. for dual-booting? I know you said "full version, not upgrade"
> > but I
> > am not sure if OEM is considered a full version. I understand I would not
> > be
> > able to use the Vista Home Premium OEM on any other computer like I could
> > with the full retail version, but didn't know if the Vista OEM could be
> > installed to a different partitition or would have to be installed on the
> > same partitition as MCE2005 and thus wipe it out.
>
> OEM versions of Vista are only for use on a computer than has never had an
> OS installed. An OEM version cannot do an upgrade. So if this is a new
> computer on which an OS has never been installed, then there is no reason
> why you can't do a dual boot of MCE OEM and Vista OEM.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
>

According to MS that is not true and system builders like CyberPower won't
do it because they would be in violation of their agreements to put a second
OEM OS on a computer. The second OS on a computer needs to be a retail full
edition. An OEM OS must be the first OS on a new computer. The second OEM
OS would not be the first OS on a new computer.

MS has not deprecated OEM editions to the status of bargains. They are for
installation on a new computer that does not yet have an operating system.

"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> "xiowan" wrote
>
>> Hi again "Rock":
>> Can a Vista Home Premium OEM O.S. be used on the same pc with a
>> MCE2005
>> OEM O.S. for dual-booting? I know you said "full version, not upgrade"
>> but I
>> am not sure if OEM is considered a full version. I understand I would
>> not be
>> able to use the Vista Home Premium OEM on any other computer like I could
>> with the full retail version, but didn't know if the Vista OEM could be
>> installed to a different partitition or would have to be installed on the
>> same partitition as MCE2005 and thus wipe it out.
>
> OEM versions of Vista are only for use on a computer than has never had an
> OS installed. An OEM version cannot do an upgrade. So if this is a new
> computer on which an OS has never been installed, then there is no reason
> why you can't do a dual boot of MCE OEM and Vista OEM.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

If you change the hardware enough, you would no longer qualify for
activation of an OEM copy that was tied to the older hardware profile and
you would need to purchase another copy of the OS. My advice is not to get
into any of this and use a legacy Windows that is not OEM or just buy a full
edition of Vista.

"cpemma" <cpemma@mexbro.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:u9IKC1qPHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> But suppose, in a year or so, you update motherboard, processor, etc and
> want to re-install Vista from your Upgrade copy. If the qualifier XP OEM
> can't be re-activated on the new system to allow Vista to install, you
> appear to have a couple of coasters?
>
> In the UK Vista Upgrade is almost double Vista OEM price so we expect it
> to last a good few years. We need a clear statement from MS on the
> Upgradeability of XP OEM - the EULA basically says an OEM copy dies with
> the old motherboard, so on that basis buying Vista Upgrade could be an
> expensive mistake in the longer term.
>

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote

> According to MS that is not true and system builders like CyberPower won't
> do it because they would be in violation of their agreements to put a
> second OEM OS on a computer. The second OS on a computer needs to be a
> retail full edition. An OEM OS must be the first OS on a new computer.

Good point.

> The second OEM OS would not be the first OS on a new computer.
> MS has not deprecated OEM editions to the status of bargains. They are
> for installation on a new computer that does not yet have an operating
> system.




--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"xiowan" wrote

> Hi "Rock":
> This is kinda funny..........I can only use an OEM Vista on a new
> machine. Now I would have to argue with microsoft that a new hard drive
> makes it a new machine! I'd be playing right into their hands and the next
> new hard drive would invalidate my license because "I" myself said it was
> a
> new machine the last time I changed hard drives LOL. I could buy a new
> Core
> 2 Duo processor & compatible motherboard with the difference in price
> between
> a Vista Ultimate Retail & an OEM Home Premium! Well anyway, I really
> appreciate the information you've all given me and I guess I'd be better
> off
> just waiting a while until the probable bugs are fixed in the first
> service
> pack since a dual boot to preserve my current O.S. doesn't seem feasible.


Colin has made a good point about two OEM copies on the same computer. You
need to look at the EULA for both to be sure what they says Of course you
can bypass all this by just getting the full version of Vista.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]