"tricking" Vista ultimate upgrade to install on clean HDD?

In message <ehTavgBRHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> "Colin Barnhorst"
<colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote:

>I am trying to figure out where Chad is getting this too. I'm completely
>baffled. He knows that all retail dvd's are identical, so if you can boot
>with the dvd in the full edition box and use the tools then you can surely
>boot with the one in the upgrade edition box and use the tools just as
>easily. I don't get where he's coming from this time.

My understanding is that the upgrade CDs will not boot at all in 32bit
mode -- Is this correct?

If so, that prevents a recovery install (which was a popular fix-all for
XP)

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improperly spelled insults merely amuse me.

An Upgrade DVD is bootable. If you try to start the upgrade install, after
entering the upgrade product key, you will be prompted to reboot the
computer and upgrade from the desktop of your current XP. You can't upgrade
with an upgrade edition by booting with the DVD.

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Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
news:2oktr29g3gn0ks08ja9u96823mus8261b3@4ax.com...
> In message <ehTavgBRHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> "Colin Barnhorst"
> <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>I am trying to figure out where Chad is getting this too. I'm completely
>>baffled. He knows that all retail dvd's are identical, so if you can boot
>>with the dvd in the full edition box and use the tools then you can surely
>>boot with the one in the upgrade edition box and use the tools just as
>>easily. I don't get where he's coming from this time.
>
> My understanding is that the upgrade CDs will not boot at all in 32bit
> mode -- Is this correct?
>
> If so, that prevents a recovery install (which was a popular fix-all for
> XP)
>
> --
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but
> improperly spelled insults merely amuse me.

If I'm not mistaken, in this situation one could use Ultimate's
"Complete PC Backup" instead of Acronis to image the setup to a DVD,
then when one wishes to reinstall Vista, and could just boot from the
Vista Upgrade DVD, go to the Repair options, and choose to do a restore
from the DVD backups.


jim wrote:
> I am talking about having a Vista upgrade.. let me make it simpler for you
>
> 1) install xp once
> 2) install vista upgrade once on top of xp
> 3) use acronis or similar to make an "image" of that installation and save
> to dvd
> 4) Instead of going through steps 1 and 2 next time you need to format,
> you only reload the acronis image from the dvd onto your formated HDD, this
> needs only 10 mins.
> 5) When you boot up again after step 4 you will have vista freshly
> installed..
> go to windows update and download the updates.
>
> PS. this has nothing to do with functionality built into vista....
>
>
> "Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
> news:E6544621-B20C-40E5-8021-4EDBE0C76C84@microsoft.com...
>> you dont need silly imaging software. its builtin to vista. seems you
>> should know that being you tested it for so long.
>> karma karma karma... i bet youre ugly too
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message
>> news:OSO6HL%23QHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Hello... do what I will do, WHEN I get vista... (NOT YET!!!!)
>>>
>>> Install once then get an imaging software like acronis true image,
>>>
>>> make an "image" of your installation, then boot with the acronis cd
>>> and recover that installation instead of going through the install
>>> process...
>>>
>>> time needed? 10 mins.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ninjak on FW" <shawnn@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1170099761.701327.47530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Like a billion other people, I own Windows XP but I'd like to do a
>>>> clean install of Vista Ultimate using only the upgrade version. Is it
>>>> possible to trick the installer into thinking you have XP installed,
>>>> perhaps by copying the entire XP disc to your hard drive? I reinstall
>>>> my OS frequently and it will suck if I have to install XP AND Vista
>>>> every time.
>>>>
>>>
>
>

This is becoming a real misunderstanding.

THERE ARE NO RETAIL UPGRADE DVD'S! (sorry for the caps)

There are only x86 and x64 dvd's. They are all the same. There are retail
upgrade product keys and retail standard (full edition) product keys. It is
the pk's that effect the change in behavior of Setup, not any characteristic
of the dvd's.

All retail dvd's are bootable and since they are all the same they must all
of necessity have the tools.

Golly, I'm glad I got that out of my system!

"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
news:2oktr29g3gn0ks08ja9u96823mus8261b3@4ax.com...
> In message <ehTavgBRHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> "Colin Barnhorst"
> <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>I am trying to figure out where Chad is getting this too. I'm completely
>>baffled. He knows that all retail dvd's are identical, so if you can boot
>>with the dvd in the full edition box and use the tools then you can surely
>>boot with the one in the upgrade edition box and use the tools just as
>>easily. I don't get where he's coming from this time.
>
> My understanding is that the upgrade CDs will not boot at all in 32bit
> mode -- Is this correct?
>
> If so, that prevents a recovery install (which was a popular fix-all for
> XP)
>
> --
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but
> improperly spelled insults merely amuse me.

You have got it nailed!

"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:u56u1aDRHHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> If I'm not mistaken, in this situation one could use Ultimate's "Complete
> PC Backup" instead of Acronis to image the setup to a DVD, then when one
> wishes to reinstall Vista, and could just boot from the Vista Upgrade DVD,
> go to the Repair options, and choose to do a restore from the DVD backups.
>
>
> jim wrote:
>> I am talking about having a Vista upgrade.. let me make it simpler for
>> you
>>
>> 1) install xp once
>> 2) install vista upgrade once on top of xp
>> 3) use acronis or similar to make an "image" of that installation and
>> save to dvd
>> 4) Instead of going through steps 1 and 2 next time you need to format,
>> you only reload the acronis image from the dvd onto your formated HDD,
>> this needs only 10 mins.
>> 5) When you boot up again after step 4 you will have vista freshly
>> installed..
>> go to windows update and download the updates.
>>
>> PS. this has nothing to do with functionality built into vista....
>>
>>
>> "Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
>> news:E6544621-B20C-40E5-8021-4EDBE0C76C84@microsoft.com...
>>> you dont need silly imaging software. its builtin to vista. seems you
>>> should know that being you tested it for so long.
>>> karma karma karma... i bet youre ugly too
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message
>>> news:OSO6HL%23QHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hello... do what I will do, WHEN I get vista... (NOT YET!!!!)
>>>>
>>>> Install once then get an imaging software like acronis true image,
>>>>
>>>> make an "image" of your installation, then boot with the acronis cd
>>>> and recover that installation instead of going through the install
>>>> process...
>>>>
>>>> time needed? 10 mins.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ninjak on FW" <shawnn@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1170099761.701327.47530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Like a billion other people, I own Windows XP but I'd like to do a
>>>>> clean install of Vista Ultimate using only the upgrade version. Is it
>>>>> possible to trick the installer into thinking you have XP installed,
>>>>> perhaps by copying the entire XP disc to your hard drive? I reinstall
>>>>> my OS frequently and it will suck if I have to install XP AND Vista
>>>>> every time.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote

> This is becoming a real misunderstanding.
>
> THERE ARE NO RETAIL UPGRADE DVD'S! (sorry for the caps)
>
> There are only x86 and x64 dvd's. They are all the same. There are
> retail upgrade product keys and retail standard (full edition) product
> keys. It is the pk's that effect the change in behavior of Setup, not any
> characteristic of the dvd's.
>
> All retail dvd's are bootable and since they are all the same they must
> all of necessity have the tools.
>
> Golly, I'm glad I got that out of my system!

Leaving out Family discount pack downloads, eh - unless one orders the DVD
too. I wonder about the downloads from Windows Marketplace.
>
> "DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
> news:2oktr29g3gn0ks08ja9u96823mus8261b3@4ax.com...
>> In message <ehTavgBRHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> "Colin Barnhorst"
>> <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I am trying to figure out where Chad is getting this too. I'm completely
>>>baffled. He knows that all retail dvd's are identical, so if you can
>>>boot
>>>with the dvd in the full edition box and use the tools then you can
>>>surely
>>>boot with the one in the upgrade edition box and use the tools just as
>>>easily. I don't get where he's coming from this time.
>>
>> My understanding is that the upgrade CDs will not boot at all in 32bit
>> mode -- Is this correct?
>>
>> If so, that prevents a recovery install (which was a popular fix-all for
>> XP)
>>
>> --
>> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but
>> improperly spelled insults merely amuse me.
>



--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

yeah.. but not everyone will have ultimate...

it should have been in the business edition too.... is it?

if its not then vista stinks, for once again.. LOL


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:B7249B79-B097-45FC-AC7D-198C65074DB6@microsoft.com...
> You have got it nailed!
>
> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
> news:u56u1aDRHHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> If I'm not mistaken, in this situation one could use Ultimate's "Complete
>> PC Backup" instead of Acronis to image the setup to a DVD, then when one
>> wishes to reinstall Vista, and could just boot from the Vista Upgrade
>> DVD, go to the Repair options, and choose to do a restore from the DVD
>> backups.
>>
>>
>> jim wrote:
>>> I am talking about having a Vista upgrade.. let me make it simpler for
>>> you
>>>
>>> 1) install xp once
>>> 2) install vista upgrade once on top of xp
>>> 3) use acronis or similar to make an "image" of that installation and
>>> save to dvd
>>> 4) Instead of going through steps 1 and 2 next time you need to format,
>>> you only reload the acronis image from the dvd onto your formated HDD,
>>> this needs only 10 mins.
>>> 5) When you boot up again after step 4 you will have vista freshly
>>> installed..
>>> go to windows update and download the updates.
>>>
>>> PS. this has nothing to do with functionality built into vista....
>>>
>>>
>>> "Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
>>> news:E6544621-B20C-40E5-8021-4EDBE0C76C84@microsoft.com...
>>>> you dont need silly imaging software. its builtin to vista. seems you
>>>> should know that being you tested it for so long.
>>>> karma karma karma... i bet youre ugly too
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message
>>>> news:OSO6HL%23QHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hello... do what I will do, WHEN I get vista... (NOT YET!!!!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Install once then get an imaging software like acronis true image,
>>>>>
>>>>> make an "image" of your installation, then boot with the acronis cd
>>>>> and recover that installation instead of going through the install
>>>>> process...
>>>>>
>>>>> time needed? 10 mins.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ninjak on FW" <shawnn@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1170099761.701327.47530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Like a billion other people, I own Windows XP but I'd like to do a
>>>>>> clean install of Vista Ultimate using only the upgrade version. Is it
>>>>>> possible to trick the installer into thinking you have XP installed,
>>>>>> perhaps by copying the entire XP disc to your hard drive? I reinstall
>>>>>> my OS frequently and it will suck if I have to install XP AND Vista
>>>>>> every time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

Complete PC Backup is indeed in Business Edition

--
Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
"jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message news:Ocsd8FFRHHA.3444@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> yeah.. but not everyone will have ultimate...
>
> it should have been in the business edition too.... is it?
>
> if its not then vista stinks, for once again.. LOL
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:B7249B79-B097-45FC-AC7D-198C65074DB6@microsoft.com...
>> You have got it nailed!
>>
>> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
>> news:u56u1aDRHHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> If I'm not mistaken, in this situation one could use Ultimate's
>>> "Complete PC Backup" instead of Acronis to image the setup to a DVD,
>>> then when one wishes to reinstall Vista, and could just boot from the
>>> Vista Upgrade DVD, go to the Repair options, and choose to do a restore
>>> from the DVD backups.
>>>
>>>
>>> jim wrote:
>>>> I am talking about having a Vista upgrade.. let me make it simpler for
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> 1) install xp once
>>>> 2) install vista upgrade once on top of xp
>>>> 3) use acronis or similar to make an "image" of that installation and
>>>> save to dvd
>>>> 4) Instead of going through steps 1 and 2 next time you need to format,
>>>> you only reload the acronis image from the dvd onto your formated HDD,
>>>> this needs only 10 mins.
>>>> 5) When you boot up again after step 4 you will have vista freshly
>>>> installed..
>>>> go to windows update and download the updates.
>>>>
>>>> PS. this has nothing to do with functionality built into vista....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:E6544621-B20C-40E5-8021-4EDBE0C76C84@microsoft.com...
>>>>> you dont need silly imaging software. its builtin to vista. seems you
>>>>> should know that being you tested it for so long.
>>>>> karma karma karma... i bet youre ugly too
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OSO6HL%23QHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hello... do what I will do, WHEN I get vista... (NOT YET!!!!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Install once then get an imaging software like acronis true image,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make an "image" of your installation, then boot with the acronis cd
>>>>>> and recover that installation instead of going through the install
>>>>>> process...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> time needed? 10 mins.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ninjak on FW" <shawnn@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1170099761.701327.47530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Like a billion other people, I own Windows XP but I'd like to do a
>>>>>>> clean install of Vista Ultimate using only the upgrade version. Is
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> possible to trick the installer into thinking you have XP installed,
>>>>>>> perhaps by copying the entire XP disc to your hard drive? I
>>>>>>> reinstall
>>>>>>> my OS frequently and it will suck if I have to install XP AND Vista
>>>>>>> every time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>
>

good.. because that is the one I will be getting, not ultimate.. I dont need
media center...


"Jane C" <jellybean@NOSPAMxjgarage.org> wrote in message
news:95136065-3F82-4282-A678-C56219C3CF71@microsoft.com...
> Complete PC Backup is indeed in Business Edition
>
> --
> Jane, not plain 64 bit enabled :-)
> Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-)
> "jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message
> news:Ocsd8FFRHHA.3444@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> yeah.. but not everyone will have ultimate...
>>
>> it should have been in the business edition too.... is it?
>>
>> if its not then vista stinks, for once again.. LOL
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:B7249B79-B097-45FC-AC7D-198C65074DB6@microsoft.com...
>>> You have got it nailed!
>>>
>>> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u56u1aDRHHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> If I'm not mistaken, in this situation one could use Ultimate's
>>>> "Complete PC Backup" instead of Acronis to image the setup to a DVD,
>>>> then when one wishes to reinstall Vista, and could just boot from the
>>>> Vista Upgrade DVD, go to the Repair options, and choose to do a restore
>>>> from the DVD backups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jim wrote:
>>>>> I am talking about having a Vista upgrade.. let me make it simpler for
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) install xp once
>>>>> 2) install vista upgrade once on top of xp
>>>>> 3) use acronis or similar to make an "image" of that installation and
>>>>> save to dvd
>>>>> 4) Instead of going through steps 1 and 2 next time you need to
>>>>> format,
>>>>> you only reload the acronis image from the dvd onto your formated HDD,
>>>>> this needs only 10 mins.
>>>>> 5) When you boot up again after step 4 you will have vista freshly
>>>>> installed..
>>>>> go to windows update and download the updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. this has nothing to do with functionality built into vista....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:E6544621-B20C-40E5-8021-4EDBE0C76C84@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> you dont need silly imaging software. its builtin to vista. seems you
>>>>>> should know that being you tested it for so long.
>>>>>> karma karma karma... i bet youre ugly too
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "jim" <1@1.1> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OSO6HL%23QHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hello... do what I will do, WHEN I get vista... (NOT YET!!!!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Install once then get an imaging software like acronis true image,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make an "image" of your installation, then boot with the acronis cd
>>>>>>> and recover that installation instead of going through the install
>>>>>>> process...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> time needed? 10 mins.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ninjak on FW" <shawnn@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1170099761.701327.47530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> Like a billion other people, I own Windows XP but I'd like to do a
>>>>>>>> clean install of Vista Ultimate using only the upgrade version. Is
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> possible to trick the installer into thinking you have XP
>>>>>>>> installed,
>>>>>>>> perhaps by copying the entire XP disc to your hard drive? I
>>>>>>>> reinstall
>>>>>>>> my OS frequently and it will suck if I have to install XP AND Vista
>>>>>>>> every time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>

In article <8206F172-1E15-4D9F-8C1A-7EA4591517E3@microsoft.com>, steve-
auction says...
> Not only is the repsonse rude, but it shows some ignorance with respect to
> prior "upgrade" versions of Windows. In each prior OS, you could typically
> just insert a CD or floppy to prove ownership of the prior version - you did
> not need to install the OS.
>
Blame the pirates. It's because of them that we're stuck with WPA and
the new way of installing an upgrade version. When 20% or 144,000,000
Windows installs are bogus, you can't blame a company for tightening
things up.

--
Conor

The United States, increasing quality by lowering standards since 1776.