Vista - Another 64 bit edition question

Is x64 home premium available for download? If I buy home premium cd and
then install it and then order my x64 version can I then upgrade from x86 to
x64 without losing everything or do I need to format?

You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.

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"rlopez" <rlopez@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Is x64 home premium available for download? If I buy home premium cd and
> then install it and then order my x64 version can I then upgrade from x86
> to
> x64 without losing everything or do I need to format?

OK that's too bad but ok. Do you know if you can download the x64 directly?

No.

"rlopez" <rlopez@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> OK that's too bad but ok. Do you know if you can download the x64
> directly?

"Dave B." <mail@nomail.net> wrote in message
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> You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.
>


Dave,

Please clarify: Using the Ultimate x64 UPGRADE version, you're saying I can
do a clean (custom) install on a WinXP Pro 32 bit system and it will work?

I sure wish that were true but from what I've read in a MS KB article, is
that in order to upgrade to the Vista 64 bit version you must have WinXP Pro
64 version already installed and then you have to select "custom" install in
order to do install it clean.

I was hoping to do just that but it looks like I need to spring for the full
package and not an upgrade since I don't have a 64 bit version installed
now.

Bob S.

"BobS" wrote

> "Rock" wrote

>> "BobS" wrote

>>> "Dave B." wrote

>>>> You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Please clarify: Using the Ultimate x64 UPGRADE version, you're saying I
>>> can do a clean (custom) install on a WinXP Pro 32 bit system and it will
>>> work?
>>
>> That is correct. You can use an upgrade edition of x64 Ultimate. XP Pro
>> x86 has to be installed, activated and genuine. Boot from the DVD to
>> start the upgrade. It will detect the installed OS, and then you can use
>> the tools to do partitioning / formatting if you want, then it does a
>> custom install. Nothing is migrated.
>>
>> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. It cannot be
>> separately installed.
>>
>>> I sure wish that were true but from what I've read in a MS KB article,
>>> is that in order to upgrade to the Vista 64 bit version you must have
>>> WinXP Pro 64 version already installed and then you have to select
>>> "custom" install in order to do install it clean.
>>
>> It's not limited to just XP x64 to Vista x64, but you are correct, it
>> still must be a custom install. You cannot do an in place upgarde.
>>
>>> I was hoping to do just that but it looks like I need to spring for the
>>> full package and not an upgrade since I don't have a 64 bit version
>>> installed now.
>>
>> An upgrade version will work. When purchasing Ultimate retail both the
>> x86 and x64 DVDs come in the box. The product key will work with either
>> one, but of course only one can be installed.
>>
>> --
>> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
> Rock,
>
> That is good news and the KB article then is in error. Could have been
> written long before they made finale decisions.
>
> One more question if I may. The WinXP Pro version that I want to upgrade
> using the Vista Ultimate retail Upgrade package is a WinXP Volume license.
> Does that muddy any waters for subsuming the license and activating?
>
> It's a legit volume license but I have CAD programs and Photo applications
> that will benefit from upgrading to x64 and if I can do it with the
> upgrade package on that one system that saves a bunch over the cost of a
> full package.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bob S.
>
> PS - I have been looking at KB's and searching forums but have not found
> the definitive answer. Hope you can answer the above.


MS's documentation on the upgrade situation has been something less than
helpful. Seems it was put together by marketing folks who have no idea how
things are used.

My mind is spinning with the different minute details so I just don't
remember if the Windows XP VL version, is a qualifying OS or not. I am
going to say yes and have a 50% chance. Someone else, maybe Colin will jump
in on this.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OmadAcQRHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> "BobS" wrote
>
>> "Rock" wrote
>
>>> "BobS" wrote
>
>>>> "Dave B." wrote
>
>>>>> You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Please clarify: Using the Ultimate x64 UPGRADE version, you're saying
>>>> I can do a clean (custom) install on a WinXP Pro 32 bit system and it
>>>> will work?
>>>
>>> That is correct. You can use an upgrade edition of x64 Ultimate. XP
>>> Pro x86 has to be installed, activated and genuine. Boot from the DVD
>>> to start the upgrade. It will detect the installed OS, and then you can
>>> use the tools to do partitioning / formatting if you want, then it does
>>> a custom install. Nothing is migrated.
>>>
>>> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. It cannot be
>>> separately installed.
>>>
>>>> I sure wish that were true but from what I've read in a MS KB article,
>>>> is that in order to upgrade to the Vista 64 bit version you must have
>>>> WinXP Pro 64 version already installed and then you have to select
>>>> "custom" install in order to do install it clean.
>>>
>>> It's not limited to just XP x64 to Vista x64, but you are correct, it
>>> still must be a custom install. You cannot do an in place upgarde.
>>>
>>>> I was hoping to do just that but it looks like I need to spring for the
>>>> full package and not an upgrade since I don't have a 64 bit version
>>>> installed now.
>>>
>>> An upgrade version will work. When purchasing Ultimate retail both the
>>> x86 and x64 DVDs come in the box. The product key will work with either
>>> one, but of course only one can be installed.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>>
>> Rock,
>>
>> That is good news and the KB article then is in error. Could have been
>> written long before they made finale decisions.
>>
>> One more question if I may. The WinXP Pro version that I want to upgrade
>> using the Vista Ultimate retail Upgrade package is a WinXP Volume
>> license. Does that muddy any waters for subsuming the license and
>> activating?
>>
>> It's a legit volume license but I have CAD programs and Photo
>> applications that will benefit from upgrading to x64 and if I can do it
>> with the upgrade package on that one system that saves a bunch over the
>> cost of a full package.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>> PS - I have been looking at KB's and searching forums but have not found
>> the definitive answer. Hope you can answer the above.
>
>
> MS's documentation on the upgrade situation has been something less than
> helpful. Seems it was put together by marketing folks who have no idea
> how things are used.
>
> My mind is spinning with the different minute details so I just don't
> remember if the Windows XP VL version, is a qualifying OS or not. I am
> going to say yes and have a 50% chance. Someone else, maybe Colin will
> jump in on this.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Rock,

Thanks for the time to answer but since I have a hard drive cage in that
system, I'll just grab a spare Raptor and do a clean install of XP and then
try loading Vista to see what happens. This workstation will be used to
evaluate Vista to see if/when we upgrade the other workstations and be used
as the clients learning station.

Thanks,

Bob S.

"BobS" wrote

> "Rock" wrote

>> "BobS" wrote
>>
>>> "Rock" wrote
>>
>>>> "BobS" wrote
>>
>>>>> "Dave B." wrote
>>
>>>>>> You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please clarify: Using the Ultimate x64 UPGRADE version, you're saying
>>>>> I can do a clean (custom) install on a WinXP Pro 32 bit system and it
>>>>> will work?
>>>>
>>>> That is correct. You can use an upgrade edition of x64 Ultimate. XP
>>>> Pro x86 has to be installed, activated and genuine. Boot from the DVD
>>>> to start the upgrade. It will detect the installed OS, and then you
>>>> can use the tools to do partitioning / formatting if you want, then it
>>>> does a custom install. Nothing is migrated.
>>>>
>>>> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. It cannot be
>>>> separately installed.
>>>>
>>>>> I sure wish that were true but from what I've read in a MS KB article,
>>>>> is that in order to upgrade to the Vista 64 bit version you must have
>>>>> WinXP Pro 64 version already installed and then you have to select
>>>>> "custom" install in order to do install it clean.
>>>>
>>>> It's not limited to just XP x64 to Vista x64, but you are correct, it
>>>> still must be a custom install. You cannot do an in place upgarde.
>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping to do just that but it looks like I need to spring for
>>>>> the full package and not an upgrade since I don't have a 64 bit
>>>>> version installed now.
>>>>
>>>> An upgrade version will work. When purchasing Ultimate retail both the
>>>> x86 and x64 DVDs come in the box. The product key will work with
>>>> either one, but of course only one can be installed.

>>> Rock,
>>>
>>> That is good news and the KB article then is in error. Could have been
>>> written long before they made finale decisions.
>>>
>>> One more question if I may. The WinXP Pro version that I want to
>>> upgrade using the Vista Ultimate retail Upgrade package is a WinXP
>>> Volume license. Does that muddy any waters for subsuming the license and
>>> activating?
>>>
>>> It's a legit volume license but I have CAD programs and Photo
>>> applications that will benefit from upgrading to x64 and if I can do it
>>> with the upgrade package on that one system that saves a bunch over the
>>> cost of a full package.

>>> PS - I have been looking at KB's and searching forums but have not found
>>> the definitive answer. Hope you can answer the above.
>>
>>
>> MS's documentation on the upgrade situation has been something less than
>> helpful. Seems it was put together by marketing folks who have no idea
>> how things are used.
>>
>> My mind is spinning with the different minute details so I just don't
>> remember if the Windows XP VL version, is a qualifying OS or not. I am
>> going to say yes and have a 50% chance. Someone else, maybe Colin will
>> jump in on this.

> Rock,
>
> Thanks for the time to answer but since I have a hard drive cage in that
> system, I'll just grab a spare Raptor and do a clean install of XP and
> then try loading Vista to see what happens. This workstation will be used
> to evaluate Vista to see if/when we upgrade the other workstations and be
> used as the clients learning station.


Ok, can you post back with the outcome? Thanks

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Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OogoOnZRHHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "BobS" wrote
>
>> "Rock" wrote
>
>>> "BobS" wrote
>>>
>>>> "Rock" wrote
>>>
>>>>> "BobS" wrote
>>>
>>>>>> "Dave B." wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please clarify: Using the Ultimate x64 UPGRADE version, you're
>>>>>> saying I can do a clean (custom) install on a WinXP Pro 32 bit system
>>>>>> and it will work?
>>>>>
>>>>> That is correct. You can use an upgrade edition of x64 Ultimate. XP
>>>>> Pro x86 has to be installed, activated and genuine. Boot from the DVD
>>>>> to start the upgrade. It will detect the installed OS, and then you
>>>>> can use the tools to do partitioning / formatting if you want, then it
>>>>> does a custom install. Nothing is migrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. It cannot be
>>>>> separately installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I sure wish that were true but from what I've read in a MS KB
>>>>>> article, is that in order to upgrade to the Vista 64 bit version you
>>>>>> must have WinXP Pro 64 version already installed and then you have to
>>>>>> select "custom" install in order to do install it clean.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not limited to just XP x64 to Vista x64, but you are correct, it
>>>>> still must be a custom install. You cannot do an in place upgarde.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was hoping to do just that but it looks like I need to spring for
>>>>>> the full package and not an upgrade since I don't have a 64 bit
>>>>>> version installed now.
>>>>>
>>>>> An upgrade version will work. When purchasing Ultimate retail both
>>>>> the x86 and x64 DVDs come in the box. The product key will work with
>>>>> either one, but of course only one can be installed.
>
>>>> Rock,
>>>>
>>>> That is good news and the KB article then is in error. Could have been
>>>> written long before they made finale decisions.
>>>>
>>>> One more question if I may. The WinXP Pro version that I want to
>>>> upgrade using the Vista Ultimate retail Upgrade package is a WinXP
>>>> Volume license. Does that muddy any waters for subsuming the license
>>>> and activating?
>>>>
>>>> It's a legit volume license but I have CAD programs and Photo
>>>> applications that will benefit from upgrading to x64 and if I can do it
>>>> with the upgrade package on that one system that saves a bunch over the
>>>> cost of a full package.
>
>>>> PS - I have been looking at KB's and searching forums but have not
>>>> found the definitive answer. Hope you can answer the above.
>>>
>>>
>>> MS's documentation on the upgrade situation has been something less than
>>> helpful. Seems it was put together by marketing folks who have no idea
>>> how things are used.
>>>
>>> My mind is spinning with the different minute details so I just don't
>>> remember if the Windows XP VL version, is a qualifying OS or not. I am
>>> going to say yes and have a 50% chance. Someone else, maybe Colin will
>>> jump in on this.
>
>> Rock,
>>
>> Thanks for the time to answer but since I have a hard drive cage in that
>> system, I'll just grab a spare Raptor and do a clean install of XP and
>> then try loading Vista to see what happens. This workstation will be
>> used to evaluate Vista to see if/when we upgrade the other workstations
>> and be used as the clients learning station.
>
>
> Ok, can you post back with the outcome? Thanks
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Rock,

Yes I'll post what happens. Had planned on doing it tonight but got
sidetracked.

Bob S.

I just did an x86 to x64 "upgrade." The upgrade option is disabled and the
custom option does not retain the apps, files, and settings. While
formatting is available (it is anytime you can start Setup by booting with
the dvd as you can with x64 editions) it is not necessary. Apps have to be
reinstalled. Files and settings can be saved in XP with the Vista Windows
Easy Transfer wizard and restored after the installation of Vista x64.

"BobS" <no-spam@noplace.com> wrote in message
news:uFtYW1ZRHHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:OogoOnZRHHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "BobS" wrote
>>
>>> "Rock" wrote
>>
>>>> "BobS" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> "Rock" wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> "BobS" wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dave B." wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> You cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 bit, a fresh install is required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please clarify: Using the Ultimate x64 UPGRADE version, you're
>>>>>>> saying I can do a clean (custom) install on a WinXP Pro 32 bit
>>>>>>> system and it will work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is correct. You can use an upgrade edition of x64 Ultimate. XP
>>>>>> Pro x86 has to be installed, activated and genuine. Boot from the
>>>>>> DVD to start the upgrade. It will detect the installed OS, and then
>>>>>> you can use the tools to do partitioning / formatting if you want,
>>>>>> then it does a custom install. Nothing is migrated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The XP license is subsumed into the Vista license. It cannot be
>>>>>> separately installed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I sure wish that were true but from what I've read in a MS KB
>>>>>>> article, is that in order to upgrade to the Vista 64 bit version you
>>>>>>> must have WinXP Pro 64 version already installed and then you have
>>>>>>> to select "custom" install in order to do install it clean.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not limited to just XP x64 to Vista x64, but you are correct, it
>>>>>> still must be a custom install. You cannot do an in place upgarde.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was hoping to do just that but it looks like I need to spring for
>>>>>>> the full package and not an upgrade since I don't have a 64 bit
>>>>>>> version installed now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An upgrade version will work. When purchasing Ultimate retail both
>>>>>> the x86 and x64 DVDs come in the box. The product key will work with
>>>>>> either one, but of course only one can be installed.
>>
>>>>> Rock,
>>>>>
>>>>> That is good news and the KB article then is in error. Could have
>>>>> been written long before they made finale decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> One more question if I may. The WinXP Pro version that I want to
>>>>> upgrade using the Vista Ultimate retail Upgrade package is a WinXP
>>>>> Volume license. Does that muddy any waters for subsuming the license
>>>>> and activating?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a legit volume license but I have CAD programs and Photo
>>>>> applications that will benefit from upgrading to x64 and if I can do
>>>>> it with the upgrade package on that one system that saves a bunch over
>>>>> the cost of a full package.
>>
>>>>> PS - I have been looking at KB's and searching forums but have not
>>>>> found the definitive answer. Hope you can answer the above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MS's documentation on the upgrade situation has been something less
>>>> than helpful. Seems it was put together by marketing folks who have no
>>>> idea how things are used.
>>>>
>>>> My mind is spinning with the different minute details so I just don't
>>>> remember if the Windows XP VL version, is a qualifying OS or not. I am
>>>> going to say yes and have a 50% chance. Someone else, maybe Colin will
>>>> jump in on this.
>>
>>> Rock,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the time to answer but since I have a hard drive cage in that
>>> system, I'll just grab a spare Raptor and do a clean install of XP and
>>> then try loading Vista to see what happens. This workstation will be
>>> used to evaluate Vista to see if/when we upgrade the other workstations
>>> and be used as the clients learning station.
>>
>>
>> Ok, can you post back with the outcome? Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
> Rock,
>
> Yes I'll post what happens. Had planned on doing it tonight but got
> sidetracked.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>