Vista - Vista - The Bag of Bones, All Dead and over priced - a real rip of

OK lets start off with a simple fact on My part, I LIKE VISTA, nice feel, for
once the 64 bit version can actually use the hardware. now the problems.

I decided after Years of Ticking over making do with what i could get i
thought it was time to make a Real fun computer, More so since my old
computer only scored 4.1 on the "Vista Scale".

The Computer i Made, for fun and work. In November, then had to upgrade in
December

Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Motherboard, Nforce 590, (Now Defunct for the 680a)
4 x 1Gb EPP Corsair DDR2-800 Ram
2 Samsung SataII 25GB Hdd
1 Samsung DVD Burner Sata
1 Creative X-Fi fatal1ty Sound Card
2 MSI 7900 GTO video Cards, Replaced with
2 MSI 8800 GTX Video Cards
Add in Water cooling, more fans and coolers than the average Caribean Hotel.
Then Find out that the TV Card and Physics Card cannot fit into the damned
box, as the Video Cards Cover the needed slots -Oh Dear what a shame -
Never mind

and then set it all up in XP-Pro.

It is Sweet, Fear, Oblivian, Doom they all run like nothing i have ever
seen, At this point i have impressed myself!

I Run Along on Release Day and Buy Windows Ultimate. I opt for the Upgrade
Version, rather then the full, I have 6 copies of XP Home, 14 Copies of XP
Pro, 12 Copies of Xp Pro 64 bit, as well as several copies of all of the old
systems back to MSDos 2

I install the 64bit version first, Clean install, the only thing not found
is the Sound Card, Only thing on offer a BETA driver. but it works so happy.

Next the video is looked at, NO SLI, No SLI Drivers or Support, there was a
wate of money. but the up side is that the tv card can now go into the box .

Everything looks good and the saved data, emails and the likes are all
ported across.

Now i try and Join the Small Business Network, the answer is NO, errors left
right and center, i go trawling through technet and the knowledge base. Guess
What, it is a KNown Fault, and MICROSOFT are working on a resolution, and
they expect companies to buy the 64 bit version - Yeah Right!

Now the fun really begins, I know the raid will not work so i want a clean
install of the 32 bit version. It cannot be done

You have to run it from within an operating system. You install a clean copy
of XP then run an upgrade There are hardware errors, driver errors and all
the rest. What happened to the ok show me a disk from a previous system, or
type in the serial number?

I end up going onto the internet from the server and downloading a pirate
version of vista, with serial number, to do a clean install then upgrade the
new install to make it legal. Its now been 13 hours in front of a computer
trying to beat life into a dead horse.

Whoever thought up this idea of install from inside an OS should be shot.
What happens if you have a drive failure, or a virus? there is no way of
doing a clean install except for going out and spending £350 ($700) on a new
copy of vista.

And never mind that In the USA you can upgrade the family for a reasonable
amount. Here in the UK by the time i buy a copy for my laptop, my PC, My
Girlfriends PC adn the 2 Kids PC's i will have to have spent $3500. For a
business capable operating system that cannot connect to Microsoft Servers,
(Bonus is though it connects directly to Unix and Novell Servers.... Go Bill
)

So After hours of Effort and Thousands of Pounds / Dollars, I have a useless
pile of Junk that is out dated after 1 month, and does nothing other than
look pretty.

I am wiping the system later today and puting on XP Pro 64 bit system to
allow me to at least get work done to help pay of the bill for the vista
fiasco.

And Just as a parting insult. Each time i chopped and changed i benchmarked
the system and watched the Watt Meter on the power Supply.

Highest power Consumption - Vista 64 Bit No Sli although 2 cards running 1
monitor
Fastest in order
windows XP Pro 64 bit
Vista 64 ( The GTX 8800 Helped here)
windows XP Pro
windows xp Home
Vista Ultimate 32 bit

So for cheap electricity and performance and trusted working conectivity
Windows XP Pro 64 bit


Sorry bu i feel ripped off

If you're building your systems, then you're a System Builder.

Buy the OEM Version of Vista $199 For the Ultimate Version.

After reading through that garbage rant the only things I can remember to
comment on are:

1. You install XP then upgrade again after HDD failure. So NO you do not
need to go out and buy Vista again.

2. Vista is cheaper then XP. If you feel you overpaid for Ultimate then you
made an unwise buying choice. Deal with it.



"JFord047" <JFord047@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C947DB02-FCF5-4D6B-8A8C-06A5E6FA3ABB@microsoft.com...
> OK lets start off with a simple fact on My part, I LIKE VISTA, nice feel,
> for
> once the 64 bit version can actually use the hardware. now the problems.
>
> I decided after Years of Ticking over making do with what i could get i
> thought it was time to make a Real fun computer, More so since my old
> computer only scored 4.1 on the "Vista Scale".
>
> The Computer i Made, for fun and work. In November, then had to upgrade in
> December
>
> Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Motherboard, Nforce 590, (Now Defunct for the 680a)
> 4 x 1Gb EPP Corsair DDR2-800 Ram
> 2 Samsung SataII 25GB Hdd
> 1 Samsung DVD Burner Sata
> 1 Creative X-Fi fatal1ty Sound Card
> 2 MSI 7900 GTO video Cards, Replaced with
> 2 MSI 8800 GTX Video Cards
> Add in Water cooling, more fans and coolers than the average Caribean
> Hotel.
> Then Find out that the TV Card and Physics Card cannot fit into the damned
> box, as the Video Cards Cover the needed slots -Oh Dear what a shame -
> Never mind
>
> and then set it all up in XP-Pro.
>
> It is Sweet, Fear, Oblivian, Doom they all run like nothing i have ever
> seen, At this point i have impressed myself!
>
> I Run Along on Release Day and Buy Windows Ultimate. I opt for the Upgrade
> Version, rather then the full, I have 6 copies of XP Home, 14 Copies of XP
> Pro, 12 Copies of Xp Pro 64 bit, as well as several copies of all of the
> old
> systems back to MSDos 2
>
> I install the 64bit version first, Clean install, the only thing not found
> is the Sound Card, Only thing on offer a BETA driver. but it works so
> happy.
>
> Next the video is looked at, NO SLI, No SLI Drivers or Support, there was
> a
> wate of money. but the up side is that the tv card can now go into the box
> .
>
> Everything looks good and the saved data, emails and the likes are all
> ported across.
>
> Now i try and Join the Small Business Network, the answer is NO, errors
> left
> right and center, i go trawling through technet and the knowledge base.
> Guess
> What, it is a KNown Fault, and MICROSOFT are working on a resolution, and
> they expect companies to buy the 64 bit version - Yeah Right!
>
> Now the fun really begins, I know the raid will not work so i want a clean
> install of the 32 bit version. It cannot be done
>
> You have to run it from within an operating system. You install a clean
> copy
> of XP then run an upgrade There are hardware errors, driver errors and all
> the rest. What happened to the ok show me a disk from a previous system,
> or
> type in the serial number?
>
> I end up going onto the internet from the server and downloading a pirate
> version of vista, with serial number, to do a clean install then upgrade
> the
> new install to make it legal. Its now been 13 hours in front of a computer
> trying to beat life into a dead horse.
>
> Whoever thought up this idea of install from inside an OS should be shot.
> What happens if you have a drive failure, or a virus? there is no way of
> doing a clean install except for going out and spending £350 ($700) on a
> new
> copy of vista.
>
> And never mind that In the USA you can upgrade the family for a reasonable
> amount. Here in the UK by the time i buy a copy for my laptop, my PC, My
> Girlfriends PC adn the 2 Kids PC's i will have to have spent $3500. For a
> business capable operating system that cannot connect to Microsoft
> Servers,
> (Bonus is though it connects directly to Unix and Novell Servers.... Go
> Bill
> )
>
> So After hours of Effort and Thousands of Pounds / Dollars, I have a
> useless
> pile of Junk that is out dated after 1 month, and does nothing other than
> look pretty.
>
> I am wiping the system later today and puting on XP Pro 64 bit system to
> allow me to at least get work done to help pay of the bill for the vista
> fiasco.
>
> And Just as a parting insult. Each time i chopped and changed i
> benchmarked
> the system and watched the Watt Meter on the power Supply.
>
> Highest power Consumption - Vista 64 Bit No Sli although 2 cards running 1
> monitor
> Fastest in order
> windows XP Pro 64 bit
> Vista 64 ( The GTX 8800 Helped here)
> windows XP Pro
> windows xp Home
> Vista Ultimate 32 bit
>
> So for cheap electricity and performance and trusted working conectivity
> Windows XP Pro 64 bit
>
>
> Sorry bu i feel ripped off
>

Justin wrote:
> After reading through that garbage rant the only things I can remember
> to comment on are:
>
> 1. You install XP then upgrade again after HDD failure. So NO you do
> not need to go out and buy Vista again.

The point is he can't do it that way because of driver conflicts.
Upgrade version is pretty crappy by the sound of it.

There is absolutely no reason a person can not go back to XP then perform
the upgrade again (aside from no OEM restore media issues). If he doesn't
have proper drivers yet then he needs to wait. That is just something you
have to deal with as an early adopter.


"Matt" <matt@nospam.org.uk> wrote in message
news:0W7wh.75912$5l2.29256@fe02.news.easynews.com...
> Justin wrote:
>> After reading through that garbage rant the only things I can remember
>> to comment on are:
>>
>> 1. You install XP then upgrade again after HDD failure. So NO you do
>> not need to go out and buy Vista again.
>
> The point is he can't do it that way because of driver conflicts.
> Upgrade version is pretty crappy by the sound of it.