Vista - So you CAN install Vista Upgrade without first installing XP

If this is true

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

then save your money on the FULL copy.

Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?

"Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> If this is true
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>
> then save your money on the FULL copy.
>
>
>

I believe the DVD's are all the same. It just depends on the key that you
enter to get the right functionality.


"LaRoux" <hlx@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23msH87YRHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
> setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
> boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
>
> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
> news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> If this is true
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>>
>> then save your money on the FULL copy.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Correct.


-Michael

"Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
news:u7iVT%23YRHHA.3444@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I believe the DVD's are all the same. It just depends on the key that you enter to get the
>right functionality.
>
>
> "LaRoux" <hlx@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
> news:%23msH87YRHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the setup program". I
>> thought that was part of the problem was that you can't boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run
>> setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
>>
>> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
>> news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> If this is true
>>>
>>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>>>
>>> then save your money on the FULL copy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"LaRoux" <hlx@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23msH87YRHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
> setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
> boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
>
> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
> news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> If this is true
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>>
>> then save your money on the FULL copy.


All Vista DVDs are bootable because there is only one x86 DVD and one x64
DVD. It's the product key during the installation that determines the
version and if it's upgrade or full.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Rock --

"Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."

Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what Darrell
said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a volume license to
get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer the question as to
whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could clarify this and get the
"may" out of this.

Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you can
check?

I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only order
an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the choice of full
media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the question then are Volume
licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell said he thinks not.

MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume Licensing but
Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are bootable as well.

And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume licensing:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx

I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until someone who
has one in their hands tries it and finds out.

The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has blocked
your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was started on Jan. 29.
I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs are bootable and Win RE
equipped.

If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe that
I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and equipped with
Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD that is not bootable,
and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but you have the option to
request a full DVD.

Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:

Hello,
Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
detemines the behavior..
Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade DVD and
get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's bootable or
not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not supposed
to be bootable)

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]


Hello,
Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
license already.
The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can request
full media, the license is still upgrade.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Hello,
Why? when you can request the full media instead?
Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
just request full media.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx

CH





"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:eQF6dJZRHHA.3500@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "LaRoux" <hlx@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
> news:%23msH87YRHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
>> setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
>> boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I
>> incorrect?
>>
>> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
>> news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> If this is true
>>>
>>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>>>
>>> then save your money on the FULL copy.
>
>
> All Vista DVDs are bootable because there is only one x86 DVD and one x64
> DVD. It's the product key during the installation that determines the
> version and if it's upgrade or full.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

Chad Harris wrote:
> Rock --
>
> "Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."
>
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
>
> To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what
> Darrell said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a
> volume license to get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer
> the question as to whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could
> clarify this and get the "may" out of this.
>
> Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you
> can check?
>
> I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only
> order an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the choice
> of full media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the question
> then are Volume licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell said he
> thinks not.
>
> MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume Licensing
> but Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are bootable as well.
>
> And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume
> licensing:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx
>
> I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until someone
> who has one in their hands tries it and finds out.
>
> The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has
> blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was started
> on Jan. 29. I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs are
> bootable and Win RE equipped.
>
> If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe
> that I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and
> equipped with Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD
> that is not bootable, and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but you
> have the option to request a full DVD.
>
> Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:
>
> Hello,
> Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
> detemines the behavior..
> Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade DVD and
> get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
> The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
> Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's bootable or
> not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not supposed
> to be bootable)
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
>
> Hello,
> Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
> license already.
> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can request
> full media, the license is still upgrade.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> Hello,
> Why? when you can request the full media instead?
> Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
> just request full media.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx
>
> CH
>

Hi Chad.

The below link says that you can request bootable VL media.

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/r...l/default.mspx

Media Considerations

Volume License Product Use Rights require that you have a previous
qualifying operating system license for each copy of Windows Vista you
deploy. The default 32-bit Volume License media are upgrade-only and are
not bootable (64-bit Volume License media are not restricted in this
way, since there is no supported upgrade path). You must first boot a
previous version of Windows and then run the setup to install Windows
Vista. * _Bootable media is also available on request through your
Volume License portal._ *

See also:
Table 5: Windows Vista Volume License Media

At the same link. The mystery deepens.

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Nina DiBoy wrote:
> Chad Harris wrote:
>> Rock --
>>
>> "Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."
>>
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>>
>> To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what
>> Darrell said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a
>> volume license to get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer
>> the question as to whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could
>> clarify this and get the "may" out of this.
>>
>> Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you
>> can check?
>>
>> I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only
>> order an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the
>> choice of full media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the
>> question then are Volume licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell
>> said he thinks not.
>>
>> MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume
>> Licensing but Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are
>> bootable as well.
>>
>> And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume
>> licensing:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx
>>
>> I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until
>> someone who has one in their hands tries it and finds out.
>>
>> The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has
>> blocked your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was
>> started on Jan. 29. I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs
>> are bootable and Win RE equipped.
>>
>> If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe
>> that I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and
>> equipped with Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD
>> that is not bootable, and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but
>> you have the option to request a full DVD.
>>
>> Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
>> detemines the behavior..
>> Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade
>> DVD and
>> get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
>> The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
>> Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's
>> bootable or
>> not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not
>> supposed
>> to be bootable)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
>> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
>> license already.
>> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
>> request
>> full media, the license is still upgrade.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>> Hello,
>> Why? when you can request the full media instead?
>> Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are
>> limited, so
>> just request full media.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>> Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
>> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx
>>
>> CH
>>
>
> Hi Chad.
>
> The below link says that you can request bootable VL media.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...n/volact1.mspx
>
> Media Considerations
>
> Volume License Product Use Rights require that you have a previous
> qualifying operating system license for each copy of Windows Vista you
> deploy. The default 32-bit Volume License media are upgrade-only and are
> not bootable (64-bit Volume License media are not restricted in this
> way, since there is no supported upgrade path). You must first boot a
> previous version of Windows and then run the setup to install Windows
> Vista. * _Bootable media is also available on request through your
> Volume License portal._ *
>
> See also:
> Table 5: Windows Vista Volume License Media
>
> At the same link. The mystery deepens.
>

Sorry, put the wrong link by accident. This is the right link for the
above quotes.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...n/volact1.mspx

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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:24:40 -0600, "LaRoux" <hlx@newsgroup.nospam>
wrote:

>Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
>setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you can't
>boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I incorrect?
>
>"Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
>news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> If this is true
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>>
>> then save your money on the FULL copy.
>>
>>
>>
>

The problem is NOT that you can't boot from the Vista Upgrade media.
The problem is that the Vista upgrade disk does not check for previous
versions of Windows IF you enter your CD key during installation.

Workaround:
1) Boot from Vista Upgrade media.
2) Start install normally.
3) Do NOT enter CD key when asked.
4) Finish installation.
5) Reboot from Vista Upgrade media
6) Enter CD key when asked
7) Choose to do a "custom" ("clean" install).
Finish installation.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread and newsgroup
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Make me "valid" and you will "net" me.

Chad:
I have the downloaded version of Vista Enterprise x86 & x64. I
purchased Vista Business with v/l and s/a which was upgraded to enterprise.
Both DVDs that I burned are bootable, I have installed Enterprise after
formatting a hard drive or on a blank new hard drive. Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
"Chad Harris" <fixvista-itneedsit.net> wrote in message
news:OZ%23eqehRHHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Rock --
>
> "Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable."
>
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
>
> To be bootable or not, that is the question because contrary to what
> Darrell said Volume Licensing at MSFT says you have no choice in a volume
> license to get full media whatsoever. And they couldn't answer the
> question as to whether it's bootable and I wish Darrell could clarify this
> and get the "may" out of this.
>
> Does anyone have an upgrade DVD from a volume licensing agreement you can
> check?
>
> I just called Volume Licensing at MSFT and they say that you can only
> order an upgrade DVD via Volume Licensing and you don't have the choice of
> full media Darrell Gorter said you have. That leaves the question then are
> Volume licensing upgrade DVD's bootable and Darrell said he thinks not.
>
> MSFT confirmed that only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via Volume Licensing
> but Volume Licensing sales did not know if these are bootable as well.
>
> And this page confirms only upgrade DVDs are availalbe via volume
> licensing:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx
>
> I can't find documentation as to whether they are bootable until someone
> who has one in their hands tries it and finds out.
>
> The thread is I referred to and started was titled "How MSFT has blocked
> your repairing Vista--if No DVD or Upgrade DVD" and was started on Jan.
> 29. I started it to clarify whether all upgrade DVDs are bootable and Win
> RE equipped.
>
> If I read Darrell Gorter's recent post addressing this topic, and onoe
> that I wanted clarified, (i.e. are all upgrade DVD's bootable and
> equipped with Win RE?) then there is a classification of upgrade DVD that
> is not bootable, and that's the volume license upgrade DVD, but you have
> the option to request a full DVD.
>
> Note from the thread where Darrell clarified this:
>
> Hello,
> Correct. Retail and upgrade media should be the same. The product key
> detemines the behavior..
> Both are bootable, both contain WinRE. You can boot to the Upgrade DVD
> and
> get to WinRE to use the repair functionality
> The only media that may not be bootable is the Volume License Upgrade
> Media. ( I don't have a copy of that media to test whether it's bootable
> or
> not, but I have been told that Volume License Upgrade media is not
> supposed
> to be bootable)
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
>
> Hello,
> Only the upgrade volume media may not be bootable.
> Since all Volume License media is assumed that you have a compliant OS
> license already.
> The VL licenses are for upgrade media licensing even though you can
> request
> full media, the license is still upgrade.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> Hello,
> Why? when you can request the full media instead?
> Since Volume License Upgrade is not bootable, your options are limited, so
> just request full media.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> Volume Licensing 1-800-MICROSOFT
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/h.../quiz_vol.mspx
>
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
> "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:eQF6dJZRHHA.3500@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "LaRoux" <hlx@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:%23msH87YRHHA.496@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Step 1 here says "Boot from the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD and start the
>>> setup program". I thought that was part of the problem was that you
>>> can't boot from the Upgrade DVD AND run setup. Is this a typo or am I
>>> incorrect?
>>>
>>> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ermxguYRHHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> If this is true
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932
>>>>
>>>> then save your money on the FULL copy.
>>
>>
>> All Vista DVDs are bootable because there is only one x86 DVD and one x64
>> DVD. It's the product key during the installation that determines the
>> version and if it's upgrade or full.
>>
>> --
>> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>