Vista - Clean Install Upgrade version

Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade
Version Vista to a clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed first.
Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding
which OS I will be using.

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"Dino" <nospam@nospam.kr> wrote in message
news:%23phvYd8SHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade Version
> Vista to a clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed first.
> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding
> which OS I will be using.

you must have loaded win 2000 or XP on you PC first and start Update from
within the previous OS.

There is a alternate method existant that allows to first install vista
upgrade without entering a Product Key ( gives a 30 day eval ) and start the
setup WITH key from within that eval vista.dp to say two times installation.

This method is illegal said Microsoft as the license agreement says that you
must have a previous OS INSTALLED.

Because this is not supported and illegal I wont tell you how to exactly do
this.

SJ / germany

"Dino" <nospam@nospam.kr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:%23phvYd8SHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade Version
> Vista to a clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed first.
> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding
> which OS I will be using.

Dino wrote:
> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade
> Version Vista to a clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed first.
> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding
> which OS I will be using.

It is clearly not illegal to do it. You really should own a qualifying
product, but you can do a true clean install. Look here for more info.

http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070208#story1

"This method is illegal said Microsoft"

Please provide me with the quote where Microsoft
stated that.

Governments make laws as to what is legal and illegal,
not Microsoft.

-Michael

"Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:23CA979E-2B1B-4EEC-AC2E-3A703A8B0FA6@microsoft.com...
> you must have loaded win 2000 or XP on you PC first and start Update from within the previous
> OS.
>
> There is a alternate method existant that allows to first install vista upgrade without
> entering a Product Key ( gives a 30 day eval ) and start the setup WITH key from within that
> eval vista.dp to say two times installation.
>
> This method is illegal said Microsoft as the license agreement says that you must have a
> previous OS INSTALLED.
>
> Because this is not supported and illegal I wont tell you how to exactly do this.
>
> SJ / germany
>
> "Dino" <nospam@nospam.kr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:%23phvYd8SHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade Version Vista to a clean
>> drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed first.
>> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding which OS I will be
>> using.
>

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b/930985/en-us
Upgrade installation keys are blocked when you start from the Windows Vista
DVD

SYMPTOMS
You purchased an upgrade license and key for Windows Vista. When you start
from the DVD and then try to install Windows Vista by using this upgrade
key, you will be blocked from continuing.


CAUSE
This problem occurs because Windows Vista does not check upgrade compliance.
Therefore, you cannot use an upgrade key to perform a clean installation of
Windows Vista.


RESOLUTION
To resolve this problem, use one of the following methods.


Method 1
Start the installation from a compliant version of Windows, such as Windows
Vista, Microsoft Windows XP, or Microsoft Windows 2000. After you have
started the installation, you can select Custom at the installation choice
screen to perform a clean installation.


Method 2
Purchase a Full Product License. This license will let the installation
continue after you start from the Windows Vista DVD.

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"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:%237C1n78SHHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "This method is illegal said Microsoft"
>
> Please provide me with the quote where Microsoft
> stated that.
>
> Governments make laws as to what is legal and illegal,
> not Microsoft.
>
> -Michael
>
> "Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> wrote in
> message news:23CA979E-2B1B-4EEC-AC2E-3A703A8B0FA6@microsoft.com...
>> you must have loaded win 2000 or XP on you PC first and start Update from
>> within the previous OS.
>>
>> There is a alternate method existant that allows to first install vista
>> upgrade without entering a Product Key ( gives a 30 day eval ) and start
>> the setup WITH key from within that eval vista.dp to say two times
>> installation.
>>
>> This method is illegal said Microsoft as the license agreement says that
>> you must have a previous OS INSTALLED.
>>
>> Because this is not supported and illegal I wont tell you how to exactly
>> do this.
>>
>> SJ / germany
>>
>> "Dino" <nospam@nospam.kr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:%23phvYd8SHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade
>>> Version Vista to a clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed
>>> first.
>>> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding
>>> which OS I will be using.
>>
>

Microsoft Software License Terms:
... {1. - 12. } ...

13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the
software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement
takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After
you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.



SJ / germany

"Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:uuThQG9SHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b/930985/en-us
> Upgrade installation keys are blocked when you start from the Windows
> Vista DVD
>
> SYMPTOMS
> You purchased an upgrade license and key for Windows Vista. When you start
> from the DVD and then try to install Windows Vista by using this upgrade
> key, you will be blocked from continuing.
>
>
> CAUSE
> This problem occurs because Windows Vista does not check upgrade
> compliance. Therefore, you cannot use an upgrade key to perform a clean
> installation of Windows Vista.
>
>
> RESOLUTION
> To resolve this problem, use one of the following methods.
>
>
> Method 1
> Start the installation from a compliant version of Windows, such as
> Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows XP, or Microsoft Windows 2000. After you
> have started the installation, you can select Custom at the installation
> choice screen to perform a clean installation.
>
>
> Method 2
> Purchase a Full Product License. This license will let the installation
> continue after you start from the Windows Vista DVD.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:%237C1n78SHHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "This method is illegal said Microsoft"
>>
>> Please provide me with the quote where Microsoft
>> stated that.
>>
>> Governments make laws as to what is legal and illegal,
>> not Microsoft.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> "Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> wrote in
>> message news:23CA979E-2B1B-4EEC-AC2E-3A703A8B0FA6@microsoft.com...
>>> you must have loaded win 2000 or XP on you PC first and start Update
>>> from within the previous OS.
>>>
>>> There is a alternate method existant that allows to first install vista
>>> upgrade without entering a Product Key ( gives a 30 day eval ) and start
>>> the setup WITH key from within that eval vista.dp to say two times
>>> installation.
>>>
>>> This method is illegal said Microsoft as the license agreement says that
>>> you must have a previous OS INSTALLED.
>>>
>>> Because this is not supported and illegal I wont tell you how to exactly
>>> do this.
>>>
>>> SJ / germany
>>>
>>> "Dino" <nospam@nospam.kr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> news:%23phvYd8SHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade
>>>> Version Vista to a clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed
>>>> first.
>>>> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding
>>>> which OS I will be using.
>>>
>>
>

Sascha,

I am well aware of what the EULA says.
We may be experiencing a language barrier here.

Yes, the alternative ways that have been mentioned
may be in violation of the EULA. However, as a matter of
something being "illegal", that is a matter of law- only governments
make laws, not Microsoft.

The fact of the matter, Microsoft knows about this and has
not issued any statement. Even though it has appeared on
numerous sites, and several respectable sites. More amazing,
there have been a few Microsoft employees posting here and
in the installation_setup group, and not one has said anything
about this. Silence can speak volumes.


-Michael

"Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:Oz7A8L9SHHA.4252@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft Software License Terms:
> ... {1. - 12. } ...
>
> 13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is
> eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for
> the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you
> upgraded from.
>
>
>
> SJ / germany
>
> "Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:uuThQG9SHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b/930985/en-us
>> Upgrade installation keys are blocked when you start from the Windows Vista DVD
>>
>> SYMPTOMS
>> You purchased an upgrade license and key for Windows Vista. When you start from the DVD and
>> then try to install Windows Vista by using this upgrade key, you will be blocked from
>> continuing.
>>
>>
>> CAUSE
>> This problem occurs because Windows Vista does not check upgrade compliance. Therefore, you
>> cannot use an upgrade key to perform a clean installation of Windows Vista.
>>
>>
>> RESOLUTION
>> To resolve this problem, use one of the following methods.
>>
>>
>> Method 1
>> Start the installation from a compliant version of Windows, such as Windows Vista, Microsoft
>> Windows XP, or Microsoft Windows 2000. After you have started the installation, you can
>> select Custom at the installation choice screen to perform a clean installation.
>>
>>
>> Method 2
>> Purchase a Full Product License. This license will let the installation continue after you
>> start from the Windows Vista DVD.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:%237C1n78SHHA.1636@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> "This method is illegal said Microsoft"
>>>
>>> Please provide me with the quote where Microsoft
>>> stated that.
>>>
>>> Governments make laws as to what is legal and illegal,
>>> not Microsoft.
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>> "Sascha Benjamin Jazbec" <barefoot_nrw_REMOVETHIS@gmx.net> wrote in message
>>> news:23CA979E-2B1B-4EEC-AC2E-3A703A8B0FA6@microsoft.com...
>>>> you must have loaded win 2000 or XP on you PC first and start Update from within the
>>>> previous OS.
>>>>
>>>> There is a alternate method existant that allows to first install vista upgrade without
>>>> entering a Product Key ( gives a 30 day eval ) and start the setup WITH key from within
>>>> that eval vista.dp to say two times installation.
>>>>
>>>> This method is illegal said Microsoft as the license agreement says that you must have a
>>>> previous OS INSTALLED.
>>>>
>>>> Because this is not supported and illegal I wont tell you how to exactly do this.
>>>>
>>>> SJ / germany
>>>>
>>>> "Dino" <nospam@nospam.kr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>> news:%23phvYd8SHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hard drive failed,but I have heard that You cannot install Upgrade Version Vista to a
>>>>> clean drive that dos'nt have XP or 2000 installed first.
>>>>> Can anyone verify this information?This will go a long way in deciding which OS I will be
>>>>> using.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

In this newsgroup Sascha Benjamin Jazbec wrote:
> Microsoft Software License Terms:
> ... {1. - 12. } ...
>
> 13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed
> for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this
> agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you
> upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software
> you upgraded from.
>
>
>
> SJ / germany

So, what does one do when they need to re-install Vista?

In this newsgroup ITinerant wrote:

> So, what does one do when they need to re-install Vista?

>> Method 1
>> Start the installation from a compliant version of Windows, such as
>> Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows XP, or Microsoft Windows 2000. After you
>> have started the installation, you can select Custom at the installation
>> choice screen to perform a clean installation.