Vista Tutorial - networking problem Vista & XP

I bought a new notebook with Vista Home Premium on it.
I changed the workgroup name to be the same as on my home network.
When trying to connect to a XP Pro system I can't see that computer or its
shared folders in the network group, only as a windows media player device.
Anyone know of a solution for this.

Thanks in advance,
Robert

Try disabling the Windows Firewall and then see if you can connect.
You might have to explicitly allow file and print sharing in the Windows Firewall.


"Robert de Ridder" <ridder@remove.bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>I bought a new notebook with Vista Home Premium on it.
> I changed the workgroup name to be the same as on my home network.
> When trying to connect to a XP Pro system I can't see that computer or its shared folders in the
> network group, only as a windows media player device.
> Anyone know of a solution for this.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Robert

Try disabling the Windows Firewall and then see if you can connect.
You might have to explicitly allow file and print sharing in the Windows Firewall.



"Robert de Ridder" <ridder@remove.bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>I bought a new notebook with Vista Home Premium on it.
> I changed the workgroup name to be the same as on my home network.
> When trying to connect to a XP Pro system I can't see that computer or its shared folders in the
> network group, only as a windows media player device.
> Anyone know of a solution for this.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Robert

I shut down the firewall and I am still not able to see the other computers
on the network. The only thing I can see is their media players so I know
we're connected. Do you have any other suggestions???

"JP" wrote:

> Try disabling the Windows Firewall and then see if you can connect.
> You might have to explicitly allow file and print sharing in the Windows Firewall.
>
>
>
> "Robert de Ridder" <ridder@remove.bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:uu0qr$%23SHHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >I bought a new notebook with Vista Home Premium on it.
> > I changed the workgroup name to be the same as on my home network.
> > When trying to connect to a XP Pro system I can't see that computer or its shared folders in the
> > network group, only as a windows media player device.
> > Anyone know of a solution for this.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Robert
>
>
>

I'm having similar issues with my new Vista loaded laptop. My other computers
all have XP and I can see the new laptop from them, but, Vista can't seem to
find anything else in the workgroup. I have spent several hours trying
everything to get this system to find the other workgroup computers and
printers, to no avail.

Thus far, I'm not overly impressed with Microsofts latest offering. It's not
overly user friendly nor compatible with anything XP or previous. I'm not
going to upgrade any of my other hardware until they get these connectivity
issues fixed.

"BooAngel03" wrote:

> I shut down the firewall and I am still not able to see the other computers
> on the network. The only thing I can see is their media players so I know
> we're connected. Do you have any other suggestions???
>
> "JP" wrote:
>
> > Try disabling the Windows Firewall and then see if you can connect.
> > You might have to explicitly allow file and print sharing in the Windows Firewall.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Robert de Ridder" <ridder@remove.bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > news:uu0qr$%23SHHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > >I bought a new notebook with Vista Home Premium on it.
> > > I changed the workgroup name to be the same as on my home network.
> > > When trying to connect to a XP Pro system I can't see that computer or its shared folders in the
> > > network group, only as a windows media player device.
> > > Anyone know of a solution for this.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Robert
> >
> >
> >

"wacko163" wrote:

> I'm having similar issues with my new Vista loaded laptop. My other computers
> all have XP and I can see the new laptop from them, but, Vista can't seem to
> find anything else in the workgroup. I have spent several hours trying
> everything to get this system to find the other workgroup computers and
> printers, to no avail.
>
> Thus far, I'm not overly impressed with Microsofts latest offering. It's not
> overly user friendly nor compatible with anything XP or previous. I'm not
> going to upgrade any of my other hardware until they get these connectivity
> issues fixed.
>
> "BooAngel03" wrote:
>
> > I shut down the firewall and I am still not able to see the other computers
> > on the network. The only thing I can see is their media players so I know
> > we're connected. Do you have any other suggestions???
> >
> > "JP" wrote:
> >
> > > Try disabling the Windows Firewall and then see if you can connect.
> > > You might have to explicitly allow file and print sharing in the Windows Firewall.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Robert de Ridder" <ridder@remove.bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uu0qr$%23SHHA.1016@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > > >I bought a new notebook with Vista Home Premium on it.
> > > > I changed the workgroup name to be the same as on my home network.
> > > > When trying to connect to a XP Pro system I can't see that computer or its shared folders in the
> > > > network group, only as a windows media player device.
> > > > Anyone know of a solution for this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > >

I found this elsewhere on the forums, but it's worth posting everywhere - it
worked great for me. I've also modified it a bit to match my Home Premium
version of Vista. It is from Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
(http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders):

You may need to enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP for TCP/IP V4 in the Network
Connection's properties:

1. Click on Start in the lower left corner, then select Network
2. click Network and Sharing Center
3. Look at Sharing and Discovery, below on the right
4. make sure that Network Discovery is On (note - in a Windows Domain, this
may need to be enabled by an administrator using a GPO)
5. make sure that File Sharing is On
6. make sure that Public folder sharing is Off
7. if you have a printer locally installed that you want other computers to
use, make sure Printer Sharing is On
8. click Manage network connections (left pane)
9. right click the Local Area Connection (or whatever network connection is
in use - e.g. a wireless connection)
10. select Properties
11. click Continue in the User Account Control prompt (or supply
Administrative username and password)
12. select Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4)
13. click Properties
14. click Advanced...
14. select the WINS tab
15. select the Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP radio button
16. click OK; click OK; click Close - this change will take affect
immediately - no need to logoff or restart

Also, as stated in other posts in this thread and others - make sure you
don't have a third party firewall blocking the ports or programs needed.

Thanks Eric - but that didn't work for me.

I think I'm the same as others in this post, but just to check. From my
Visat laptop, in the network devices list I can see my Oki Printer and my
Home PC - but the PC is classed as a media device. Double clicking on it
opens media player (I can actually play the tracks from my PC library so I
know it's communicating). Right-clicking doesn't give anything else, choosing
properties just says it's a Microsoft Media Player.

When I first connected, the Deskptop PC popped up a window asking if it was
ok to share media files to which I said OK. I suspect the problem is that
once that device has been identified as a media device it can't be seen as
anything else.

Anyone know a was past this ?

"Eric Haines" wrote:

> I found this elsewhere on the forums, but it's worth posting everywhere - it
> worked great for me. I've also modified it a bit to match my Home Premium
> version of Vista. It is from Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
> (http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders):
>
> You may need to enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP for TCP/IP V4 in the Network
> Connection's properties:
>
> 1. Click on Start in the lower left corner, then select Network
> 2. click Network and Sharing Center
> 3. Look at Sharing and Discovery, below on the right
> 4. make sure that Network Discovery is On (note - in a Windows Domain, this
> may need to be enabled by an administrator using a GPO)
> 5. make sure that File Sharing is On
> 6. make sure that Public folder sharing is Off
> 7. if you have a printer locally installed that you want other computers to
> use, make sure Printer Sharing is On
> 8. click Manage network connections (left pane)
> 9. right click the Local Area Connection (or whatever network connection is
> in use - e.g. a wireless connection)
> 10. select Properties
> 11. click Continue in the User Account Control prompt (or supply
> Administrative username and password)
> 12. select Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4)
> 13. click Properties
> 14. click Advanced...
> 14. select the WINS tab
> 15. select the Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP radio button
> 16. click OK; click OK; click Close - this change will take affect
> immediately - no need to logoff or restart
>
> Also, as stated in other posts in this thread and others - make sure you
> don't have a third party firewall blocking the ports or programs needed.

Got it.

You need to install the LLTD Responder update for XP, downloadable from MS
at ...

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=70582

It is mentioned in the Vista networking help, though it's slightly obscure
and given that EVERYONE is having this problem it should be more prominent.
If you go to your Network and Sharing Center in Vista there is an option
top-right to "View Full Map". Click that and you will see that some devices
are missing from your diagram. There is a question on the left "Why are some
devices missing" which points to that link. Install the download on XP.
Restart the machine (though mine didn't prompt for it) and it all works just
fine.

"Mick Jennings" wrote:

> Thanks Eric - but that didn't work for me.
>
> I think I'm the same as others in this post, but just to check. From my
> Visat laptop, in the network devices list I can see my Oki Printer and my
> Home PC - but the PC is classed as a media device. Double clicking on it
> opens media player (I can actually play the tracks from my PC library so I
> know it's communicating). Right-clicking doesn't give anything else, choosing
> properties just says it's a Microsoft Media Player.
>
> When I first connected, the Deskptop PC popped up a window asking if it was
> ok to share media files to which I said OK. I suspect the problem is that
> once that device has been identified as a media device it can't be seen as
> anything else.
>
> Anyone know a was past this ?
>
> "Eric Haines" wrote:
>
> > I found this elsewhere on the forums, but it's worth posting everywhere - it
> > worked great for me. I've also modified it a bit to match my Home Premium
> > version of Vista. It is from Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
> > (http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders):
> >
> > You may need to enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP for TCP/IP V4 in the Network
> > Connection's properties:
> >
> > 1. Click on Start in the lower left corner, then select Network
> > 2. click Network and Sharing Center
> > 3. Look at Sharing and Discovery, below on the right
> > 4. make sure that Network Discovery is On (note - in a Windows Domain, this
> > may need to be enabled by an administrator using a GPO)
> > 5. make sure that File Sharing is On
> > 6. make sure that Public folder sharing is Off
> > 7. if you have a printer locally installed that you want other computers to
> > use, make sure Printer Sharing is On
> > 8. click Manage network connections (left pane)
> > 9. right click the Local Area Connection (or whatever network connection is
> > in use - e.g. a wireless connection)
> > 10. select Properties
> > 11. click Continue in the User Account Control prompt (or supply
> > Administrative username and password)
> > 12. select Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4)
> > 13. click Properties
> > 14. click Advanced...
> > 14. select the WINS tab
> > 15. select the Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP radio button
> > 16. click OK; click OK; click Close - this change will take affect
> > immediately - no need to logoff or restart
> >
> > Also, as stated in other posts in this thread and others - make sure you
> > don't have a third party firewall blocking the ports or programs needed.

Thanks a bunch for this Eric! It helped me at least get my VISTA computer to
see and talk with my XP ones. Now if I can only figure out how to get the
other side to work properly!!

Red Merchant


"Eric Haines" wrote:

> I found this elsewhere on the forums, but it's worth posting everywhere - it
> worked great for me. I've also modified it a bit to match my Home Premium
> version of Vista. It is from Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
> (http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders):
>
> You may need to enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP for TCP/IP V4 in the Network
> Connection's properties:
>
> 1. Click on Start in the lower left corner, then select Network
> 2. click Network and Sharing Center
> 3. Look at Sharing and Discovery, below on the right
> 4. make sure that Network Discovery is On (note - in a Windows Domain, this
> may need to be enabled by an administrator using a GPO)
> 5. make sure that File Sharing is On
> 6. make sure that Public folder sharing is Off
> 7. if you have a printer locally installed that you want other computers to
> use, make sure Printer Sharing is On
> 8. click Manage network connections (left pane)
> 9. right click the Local Area Connection (or whatever network connection is
> in use - e.g. a wireless connection)
> 10. select Properties
> 11. click Continue in the User Account Control prompt (or supply
> Administrative username and password)
> 12. select Internet Protocol Version 4 (TCP/IPv4)
> 13. click Properties
> 14. click Advanced...
> 14. select the WINS tab
> 15. select the Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP radio button
> 16. click OK; click OK; click Close - this change will take affect
> immediately - no need to logoff or restart
>
> Also, as stated in other posts in this thread and others - make sure you
> don't have a third party firewall blocking the ports or programs needed.