Vista - Approving startup programs

Some 3rd party programs will not automatically run at startup because
they require admin access (I get an icon in tray called Blocked startup
programs). How do I approve those for auto-startup? It's really annoying
that I seem not to be able to change it.


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Hal

Which version of Vista are you using?
If you have Business or Ultimate, you can use the Security Policy snap-in to
tweak UAC.

However, this can be dangerous. Your best strategy would be to simply use
shortcuts, placed in a convenient location, to manually start those
applications.



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"HAL" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Some 3rd party programs will not automatically run at startup because they
> require admin access (I get an icon in tray called Blocked startup
> programs). How do I approve those for auto-startup? It's really annoying
> that I seem not to be able to change it.
>
>
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Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:
> Hal
>
> Which version of Vista are you using?
> If you have Business or Ultimate, you can use the Security Policy
> snap-in to tweak UAC.
>
> However, this can be dangerous. Your best strategy would be to simply
> use shortcuts, placed in a convenient location, to manually start those
> applications.

I use Vista Business. And no, this won't do any good as I like to remote
control my home computer some times, and I cannot risk that it reboots
and don't auto-start those programs. I find it strange that somehow I
cannot "approve" applications for startup. How do some apps get approved
and some not. Am I sending anything to Microsoft when I try this?

You know, you suddenly feel that it's not your own computer anymore.

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HAL wrote:
> Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:
>> Hal
>>
>> Which version of Vista are you using?
>> If you have Business or Ultimate, you can use the Security Policy
>> snap-in to tweak UAC.
>>
>> However, this can be dangerous. Your best strategy would be to simply
>> use shortcuts, placed in a convenient location, to manually start
>> those applications.
>
> I use Vista Business. And no, this won't do any good as I like to remote
> control my home computer some times, and I cannot risk that it reboots
> and don't auto-start those programs. I find it strange that somehow I
> cannot "approve" applications for startup. How do some apps get approved
> and some not. Am I sending anything to Microsoft when I try this?
>
> You know, you suddenly feel that it's not your own computer anymore.
>

It isn't. Remember, you don't own the software, you have a license to
use it at MS' pleasure, not yours. Personally, I think this is a scam
and one that most large software companies have bought into.

If you want the control back, check out Ubuntu:

http://www.ubuntu.com/

Get version 6.06. You can order the CD free and they will even pay the
postage!

It's free, can be installed on as many computers as you like, needs no
anti virus programs or other anti malware programs to update daily, etc.

It's also very user friendly.

Alias

>> You know, you suddenly feel that it's not your own computer anymore.
>>
>
> It isn't. Remember, you don't own the software, you have a license to use
> it at MS' pleasure, not yours. Personally, I think this is a scam and one
> that most large software companies have bought into.
>
> If you want the control back, check out Ubuntu:
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> Get version 6.06. You can order the CD free and they will even pay the
> postage!
>
> It's free, can be installed on as many computers as you like, needs no
> anti virus programs or other anti malware programs to update daily, etc.
>
> It's also very user friendly.
>
> Alias

The problem with the stock/standard reply about anyone who prefers Linux is
that people are using a Microsoft operating system or application for their
business, and who's fault is it that Microsoft managed to get in their first
and still manages to remain the most popular operating system?

So, the user orders up Linux, installs it and then what? If they are on
their own and don't need to "conform" to the MS standard then that's fine,
but what about the people who need remote working? What about the people who
have a particular piece of software that only works under windows?

Linux is still too behind and lacks any uniformity for the "Average User" to
deal with.

Use what you feel happy with, use what you need to use, and continue to moan
and bleat about about MS, Apple, Novell etc etc... it's just human nature!

Gordon Keenan wrote:
>>> You know, you suddenly feel that it's not your own computer anymore.
>>>
>>
>> It isn't. Remember, you don't own the software, you have a license to
>> use it at MS' pleasure, not yours. Personally, I think this is a scam
>> and one that most large software companies have bought into.
>>
>> If you want the control back, check out Ubuntu:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>
>> Get version 6.06. You can order the CD free and they will even pay the
>> postage!
>>
>> It's free, can be installed on as many computers as you like, needs no
>> anti virus programs or other anti malware programs to update daily, etc.
>>
>> It's also very user friendly.
>>
>> Alias
>
> The problem with the stock/standard reply about anyone who prefers Linux
> is that people are using a Microsoft operating system or application for
> their business, and who's fault is it that Microsoft managed to get in
> their first and still manages to remain the most popular operating system?

They can thank piracy and Windows is becoming less popular. Myself, for
example. I never thought I would use anything but Windows until MS
tricked me into downloading WGA(N), disguising it as a "critical" update.

>
> So, the user orders up Linux, installs it and then what? If they are on
> their own and don't need to "conform" to the MS standard then that's
> fine, but what about the people who need remote working? What about the
> people who have a particular piece of software that only works under
> windows?
>
> Linux is still too behind and lacks any uniformity for the "Average
> User" to deal with.
>
> Use what you feel happy with, use what you need to use, and continue to
> moan and bleat about about MS, Apple, Novell etc etc... it's just human
> nature!
>

LOL! You're wrong. It is user friendly, Windows programs can be run in
WINE and you can get direct support on IRC, not like some snooty MS MVP
who tells you Google is your friend. I can see you've never installed
Ubuntu. Try it and then get back to us.

Alias

>> The problem with the stock/standard reply about anyone who prefers Linux
>> is that people are using a Microsoft operating system or application for
>> their business, and who's fault is it that Microsoft managed to get in
>> their first and still manages to remain the most popular operating
>> system?
>
> They can thank piracy and Windows is becoming less popular. Myself, for
> example. I never thought I would use anything but Windows until MS tricked
> me into downloading WGA(N), disguising it as a "critical" update.

C'mon now, are you seriously saying that until that point everythign was
hunkydory and you had no other issues until then?
Microsoft are in the business of SELLING A PRODUCT, they are not in the
business of giving things away for free, but... they have done it in a way
that was so predictable that I just laugh when people are moaning about how
they are protecting their operating systems and software.

They released DOS, WINDOWS etc, KNOWING (in my mind) that if you get
software out to people, who would then copy it and give it to friends and
family, what better way to get a userbase used to yoru product. As the years
rolled on, MS continued to invest their cash in improving their (buggy?
unfinished/ongoing) software until it got to a stage they KNEW they world
was tied in, business and personal wise people all used the same thing. When
this was established, what beter way of starting to get some serious money
in than to protect the product.
YOU may not like it, and I have to be honest and say that the cost of the
operating systems is WAY OVERPRICED in my mind, BUT, I can understand that
they are trying to make money, as a business thats the only reason the
exist, not to make you or I happy!

>> So, the user orders up Linux, installs it and then what? If they are on
>> their own and don't need to "conform" to the MS standard then that's
>> fine, but what about the people who need remote working? What about the
>> people who have a particular piece of software that only works under
>> windows?
>>
>> Linux is still too behind and lacks any uniformity for the "Average User"
>> to deal with.
>>
>> Use what you feel happy with, use what you need to use, and continue to
>> moan and bleat about about MS, Apple, Novell etc etc... it's just human
>> nature!
>>
>
> LOL! You're wrong. It is user friendly, Windows programs can be run in
> WINE and you can get direct support on IRC, not like some snooty MS MVP
> who tells you Google is your friend. I can see you've never installed
> Ubuntu. Try it and then get back to us.
>
> Alias

I am not wrong.
I have tried out many versions of Linux to see if I could actually find a
reason to swap systems around, and it left me cold.
Each version of Linux you load up looks different.
The "Average User" needs to have something that conforms to a certain
standard look and feel, though Microsoft do seem to be chopping and changing
this around these days and IT IS causing a lot of problems for users and
also for people dealing with frontline technical support.
Why would I want to run Windows programs in WINE? Why not just bypass the
kludge and use the operating system they are designed for?
Bottom line for me is that you have to take on board everyone's views and
needs, and I do respect and appreciate your feelings towards the Linux
platform.
Why not put forward your points for Linux to see if other people on here
would seriously think of moving from Vista or XP to it?
As it is, I'm now having to install and learn Vista because a year down the
line my clients will have it, and I make money from them... I would not make
a penny if they had Linux!!!
Pretty obvious really why there is a market for MS apps then is it not?
Enjoy using what you use and let others experience your delights, but we all
differ and that's all part of the fun!

Gordon

Gordon Keenan wrote:
>>> The problem with the stock/standard reply about anyone who prefers
>>> Linux is that people are using a Microsoft operating system or
>>> application for their business, and who's fault is it that Microsoft
>>> managed to get in their first and still manages to remain the most
>>> popular operating system?
>>
>> They can thank piracy and Windows is becoming less popular. Myself,
>> for example. I never thought I would use anything but Windows until MS
>> tricked me into downloading WGA(N), disguising it as a "critical" update.
>
> C'mon now, are you seriously saying that until that point everythign was
> hunkydory and you had no other issues until then?

Once XP came out, no, not really.

> Microsoft are in the business of SELLING A PRODUCT, they are not in the
> business of giving things away for free, but... they have done it in a
> way that was so predictable that I just laugh when people are moaning
> about how they are protecting their operating systems and software.

If your customers are not happy, you won't sell your product.

>
> They released DOS, WINDOWS etc, KNOWING (in my mind) that if you get
> software out to people, who would then copy it and give it to friends
> and family, what better way to get a userbase used to yoru product. As
> the years rolled on, MS continued to invest their cash in improving
> their (buggy? unfinished/ongoing) software until it got to a stage they
> KNEW they world was tied in, business and personal wise people all used
> the same thing. When this was established, what beter way of starting to
> get some serious money in than to protect the product.

They made enough serious money before XP to make their CEO the richest
man in the world.

> YOU may not like it, and I have to be honest and say that the cost of
> the operating systems is WAY OVERPRICED in my mind, BUT, I can
> understand that they are trying to make money, as a business thats the
> only reason the exist, not to make you or I happy!

If they don't exist to make their customers happy (you and I), they
eventually will go out of business.

>
>>> So, the user orders up Linux, installs it and then what? If they are
>>> on their own and don't need to "conform" to the MS standard then
>>> that's fine, but what about the people who need remote working? What
>>> about the people who have a particular piece of software that only
>>> works under windows?
>>>
>>> Linux is still too behind and lacks any uniformity for the "Average
>>> User" to deal with.
>>>
>>> Use what you feel happy with, use what you need to use, and continue
>>> to moan and bleat about about MS, Apple, Novell etc etc... it's just
>>> human nature!
>>>
>>
>> LOL! You're wrong. It is user friendly, Windows programs can be run in
>> WINE and you can get direct support on IRC, not like some snooty MS
>> MVP who tells you Google is your friend. I can see you've never
>> installed Ubuntu. Try it and then get back to us.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I am not wrong.
> I have tried out many versions of Linux to see if I could actually find
> a reason to swap systems around, and it left me cold.

Have you tried Ubuntu 6.06? They have had three build updates in the
last couple of months. Although their web site says that build 6.10 is
the latest, 6.06 has Long Term Support. Build 7.04 will be out in May I
think.

> Each version of Linux you load up looks different.

Try Ubuntu.

> The "Average User" needs to have something that conforms to a certain
> standard look and feel,

I find Ubuntu to be very similar to Windows in its look and feel. Did
you know that Ubuntu can read NTFS drives now, which is convenient for a
dual boot with XP?

> though Microsoft do seem to be chopping and
> changing this around these days and IT IS causing a lot of problems for
> users and also for people dealing with frontline technical support.
> Why would I want to run Windows programs in WINE? Why not just bypass
> the kludge and use the operating system they are designed for?

Dual boot, although lately the only time I go into Windows XP is to
update the AV, XP and the anti malware apps. In my case, there are no
programs except the fax (and that's because I haven't bought a non
winmodem yet) for which I need Windows.

> Bottom line for me is that you have to take on board everyone's views
> and needs, and I do respect and appreciate your feelings towards the
> Linux platform.

Thanks, I appreciate that.

> Why not put forward your points for Linux to see if other people on here
> would seriously think of moving from Vista or XP to it?

So far, a few already have.

> As it is, I'm now having to install and learn Vista because a year down
> the line my clients will have it, and I make money from them... I would
> not make a penny if they had Linux!!!

LOL! You obviously haven't looked at Linux much. Novell, Read Hat and
the boys make money *supporting* the OS. That said, as a comp. tech,
yes, you need to learn Vista and you need to buy it.

> Pretty obvious really why there is a market for MS apps then is it not?
> Enjoy using what you use and let others experience your delights, but we
> all differ and that's all part of the fun!
>
> Gordon

I may set up one Vista machine for games. The rest will dual boot with
XP and Ubuntu. Once I learn Ubuntu as well as I know XP, I may ditch XP
altogether.

Alias

This went out of hand. If I am not satisfied with Vista I will rather go
back to XP.

Anyways. Do anybody know how programs get approved to startup auto?

Please no more Linux talk. This is a microsoft newsgroup.

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HAL wrote:
> This went out of hand. If I am not satisfied with Vista I will rather go
> back to XP.

Suit yourself.

> Anyways. Do anybody know how programs get approved to startup auto?

The only people who should be installing Vista are repair techs and
hobbyists. It isn't ready for prime time yet.

> Please no more Linux talk. This is a microsoft newsgroup.

Please no more attempts at censorship.

Alias