Vista - Tech Journalist Can't Even Install Ubuntu Linux? Ubuntu Linux SUCKS!

"Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@removethisspamfilter.msn.com> wrote in message
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> <royschestowitz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Here we go again
> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>
> What a joke.
> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
> years ago?

You have blatently obviously not used Linux in the last five years. Linux in
the shape of (K)Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS are MORE user-friendly now than even
Windows XP....


>
> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.

Uhh no - there's something seriously wrong with the journalist - since when
did anyone beleive journalists anyway?
>
> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
> an idiot etc.

In this case, absolutely....even a TEN year-old could run Ubuntu right off
of the CD......

Even I was able to install Ubuntu. The tech journalist in question needs to
find a new line of work.

Dale

"Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@removethisspamfilter.msn.com> wrote in message
news:39919D52-64C1-45F5-9DF2-5689E1453521@microsoft.com...
>
>
> <royschestowitz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Here we go again
> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>
> What a joke.
> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
> years ago?
>
> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.
>
> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
> an idiot etc.
>
> With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.
>
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742
>
> "Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
> you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
> you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
> ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
> Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
> install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."
>
> "Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
> make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
> attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
> any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
> should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
> for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
> nothing for my connectivity dilemma."
>
> "So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
> give up. If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
> code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
> fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
> write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
> work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
> of ability."
>
> "The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
> have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
> perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
> then it will have grown up. µ
> "
>
>
> And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
> This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
> the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
> desktop market share.
>
> Interesting. I'm not a tech journalist in any way, shape or form. But,
> I'm able to connect my "Simply MEPIS" Linux box to all of my Windows boxes
> (including Vista) and share files. Samba anyone? And, I've even set up a
> web server using Apache on the Linux box. I'm not saying it's the user's
> fault. Except that he chose a bad version to start out with. Ubuntu is a
> really fine distro, don't get me wrong. But, it does things differently
> than other distros. And, with everything, there's a learning curve.
>
>
> --
> Patrick Dickey
>
> Smile... Someone out there cares deeply for you...

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> writes:

> Even I was able to install Ubuntu. The tech journalist in question
> needs to find a new line of work.
>
> Dale

Are you "me too brigade" unable to read?

He did install it. He just couldnt get it to work how he wanted it. And
having experienced the nightmare in Ubuntu that is CUPS, I'm not overly
surprised.


>
> "Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@removethisspamfilter.msn.com> wrote in
> message news:39919D52-64C1-45F5-9DF2-5689E1453521@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> <royschestowitz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Here we go again
>> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>>
>> What a joke.
>> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
>> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
>> years ago?
>>
>> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
>> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.
>>
>> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
>> an idiot etc.
>>
>> With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742
>>
>> "Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
>> you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
>> you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
>> ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
>> Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
>> install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."
>>
>> "Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
>> make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
>> attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
>> any username and password I enter. Now my learned friends tell me I
>> should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
>> for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
>> nothing for my connectivity dilemma."
>>
>> "So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
>> give up. If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
>> code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
>> fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
>> write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
>> work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
>> of ability."
>>
>> "The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
>> have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
>> perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
>> then it will have grown up. µ
>> "
>>
>>
>> And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
>> This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
>> the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
>> desktop market share.
>>
>> Interesting. I'm not a tech journalist in any way, shape or form.
>> But, I'm able to connect my "Simply MEPIS" Linux box to all of my
>> Windows boxes (including Vista) and share files. Samba anyone?
>> And, I've even set up a web server using Apache on the Linux box.
>> I'm not saying it's the user's fault. Except that he chose a bad
>> version to start out with. Ubuntu is a really fine distro, don't
>> get me wrong. But, it does things differently than other distros.
>> And, with everything, there's a learning curve.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Dickey
>>
>> Smile... Someone out there cares deeply for you...
>

--

After takin' a swig o' grog, Patrick Dickey belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
> years ago?

It isn't, not at all. Especially in the distros, like Ubuntu, that
provide proprietary drivers and a consistent setup.

However, you seem user unfriendly and hostile.

Work on your attitude.

--
No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a great many
instructions were executed.

__/ [ Gordon ] on Sunday 25 February 2007 22:37 \__

> "Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@removethisspamfilter.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:39919D52-64C1-45F5-9DF2-5689E1453521@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> <royschestowitz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Here we go again
>> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>>
>> What a joke.
>> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?
>> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
>> years ago?
>
> You have blatently obviously not used Linux in the last five years. Linux
> in the shape of (K)Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS are MORE user-friendly now than
> even Windows XP....
>
>
>>
>> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
>> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.
>
> Uhh no - there's something seriously wrong with the journalist - since when
> did anyone beleive journalists anyway?
>>
>> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
>> an idiot etc.
>
> In this case, absolutely....even a TEN year-old could run Ubuntu right off
> of the CD......

I recently read about a nine year old whose father said she installed Ubuntu
Linux. I have a 10 year old sister and I can see that happening. It's not
hard.

The real reason I reply though is to clarify that I did /NOT/ post the OP.
royschestowitz@yahoo.com is an imposter seeking to discredit me. Please
filter everything that comes with these headers because the same troll is
likely to continue harassment in your newsgroup. Please do not associate me
with this.

--
~~ Best wishes

Roy S. Schestowitz
http://Schestowitz.com | GNU is Not UNIX | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
roy pts/7 Sun Feb 25 10:59 - 11:14 (00:15)
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Dale wrote:
> Even I was able to install Ubuntu. The tech journalist in question
> needs to find a new line of work.
>
> Dale

Agreed. Shouldn't be even writing technical articles until he has
installed over 20 different OSes on 20 different systems!

>
> "Patrick Dickey" <pd1ckey43@removethisspamfilter.msn.com> wrote in
> message news:39919D52-64C1-45F5-9DF2-5689E1453521@microsoft.com...
>>
>>
>> <royschestowitz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1171993587.208455.132750@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Here we go again
>> So much for Linux *killing* Microsoft Vista.
>>
>> What a joke.
>> So how long has Linux been around? Maybe 12 years or more?

Linus Torvalds wrote and released Linux kernel in 1992, and enthusiasts
bundled FSF goodies around it immediately, to create different distros.

>> So why is Linux still as user unfriendly and hostile as it was 12
>> years ago?
It is a piece of cake to slip in the LiveCDrom, let it boot and identify
all the hardware, then click the "EASY" on screen install button!

>>
>> When tech journalists can't even get Linux, in this case Ubuntu, to
>> work there is something seriously wrong with Linux.

No, there is something wrong with the attitude and capabilities of the
Journalist, because over 50 other journalists have successfully done the
installs, and written them up in major mags, and emags. !

>>
>> Of course we all know the Linux cultists will blame the user, call him
>> an idiot etc.
Well, he definitely IS an IDIOT!

>>
>> With Linux, it always seems to be the users fault.
The users are expecting a 'user friendly' environment, but, they don't
even read the website 'install FAQ, FIRST!" You don't read the owners
manual, for a new airplane? I know you ignored the provided booklet for
your new SUV, and THAT could KILL you!
>>
>> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37742
>>
>> "Quite an impressive start for a piece of free software, I think
>> you'll agree. But (and you just knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't
>> you?) then the wheels started to come off. Despite it being the latest
>> ISO image I could find, the first thing the system did when it saw the
>> Web was to download 104 updates - roughly 60 per cent more than a new
>> install of Windows XP SP2 asks for."

Windows XP SP2 has 120 patches to download, upon install, again
reflecting the ignorance of 'somebody'. The ISO is an image formed with
the latest available data, on the date of composition. Updates to many
of the included thousands of applications and programs are what is being
downloaded, unlike Microsoft products!

Microsoft XP SP2 is over 3 years old, and you are NOT grabbing hundreds
of the latest games, browsers, applications, office suites, or updates
to same, that are all FREE!

No, in XP you are getting the late night re-writes to 'FIX' huge
vulnerabilities, holes, bugs, and weaknesses, PLUS, some MORE DRM
crapola! XP actually calls home, and you must REGISTER it.

So, let's be FAIR and NOT call apples, oranges!

>>
>> "Well, I've only been playing with computers since 1972 and I couldn't
>> make it work. Linux can see the Windows boxes and vice versa, but any
>> attempt to access files is met with a login dialogue box that refuses
>> any username and password I enter.
On that point, I've been fixing computer systems since 1965!!! USAF 20
years, then corporate plus my own consultancy. Been building computers
for desktop use since teh TV typewriter of Don Lancaster, and GNU/Linux,
*BSD, and other systems since at least as early as 1997.

That is the STRENGTH of al the 'Nix systems, that you MUST be ROOT to
access SYSTEM files! The dialogue box needs your root access persona,
plus, that password! Same in Macs!

>>Now my learned friends tell me I
>> should be using something called Wine. I've been a heavy user of wine
>> for many years and it certainly helped relax me but did absolutely
>> nothing for my connectivity dilemma."
WINE is an acronym for Wine Is Not an Emulator. But, you might think of
it incorrectly as such. It conforms to the WIN32 API, so that any
program or game that obeys Microsoft's Win32 API will run.
>>
>> "So I've done what any normal person would do in the circumstances -
>> give up.

"Normal" people consult a Linux User Group, or even the Free FORUMS, on
the home website, or at any of 800 to 1,000 Linux Distro help sites!
>>If the awfully-clever people who write bits of open source
>> code can't make it work automatically, I stand absolutely no chance of
>> fixing it. It looks very much to me as if people clever enough to
>> write an entire operating system can't make a simple bit of networking
>> work, it has to be a deliberate marketing decision rather than a lack
>> of ability."

There is NO 'marketing' really, for the majority of garage hobby-ists!
Everything works very easily, if you:
A. Read The Fine Manual "RTFM"
B. consult with the newbie help files
C. Attended any Installfest, or Linux Users meeting.
D. ask any FORUM
E. Make sure you don't use a cheap piece of crap "WinModem" or
"WinPrinter", or WinNIC" that are braindead!
F. click on the MENU and find the solution, or the Control or
Configuration Panel Menu!


>> "The Ubuntu box now awaits rebirth as another Windows XP machine. I
>> have neither the time nor the inclination to persevere with its
>> perversity. Maybe I'll try Linux again in another ten years. Maybe by
>> then it will have grown up. µ
>> "
>>

Perhaps by then you will have grown up in ability as a journalist, to
report from a neutral viewpoint. Many of us would have been most
pleased to have aided in your journalistic inquiries.

>>
>> And another Linux Distribution ends up as a coaster.
>> This seems to be all to common an experience and it might account for
>> the fact that Linux still hovers around less than 1 percent of the
>> desktop market share.
>>
>> Interesting. I'm not a tech journalist in any way, shape or form.
>> But, I'm able to connect my "Simply MEPIS" Linux box to all of my
>> Windows boxes (including Vista) and share files. Samba anyone? And,
>> I've even set up a web server using Apache on the Linux box. I'm not
>> saying it's the user's fault. Except that he chose a bad version to
>> start out with. Ubuntu is a really fine distro, don't get me wrong.
>> But, it does things differently than other distros. And, with
>> everything, there's a learning curve.
But, some idiots can't learn what my second grade students can download,
run, install, on a daily basis. The protests and arguments sound like a
frustrated spoiled First grade student!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Dickey
>>
>> Smile... Someone out there cares deeply for you...
>

On 22 Feb, 05:03, "Dustin Harper" <dhar...@vistarip.com> wrote:
> I don't like scrolling down to read other messages. Sure, if you don't
> follow the conversation, it's natural. But, this isn't the 80's anymore.
> Time to listen to others preferences.

Then you might listen to others preferences. Imagine that you are
blind. Imagine that you read news. Imagine that someone top posts. You
have to hear the entire quoted text until you find out that there
isn't anything new. As for scrolling down to read others messages. You
answear below the correct text and remove irrelevant text.

> Signature is meant to stay there. I did it that way. It's not like that by
> default. I like to be contacted if someone needs help, and the website is
> there as well if someone needs help....
>

Signatures are meant to be at the bottom for a reason. If you want
anybody to read your signature, remove all the unnecessary junk in
between. There is a standard for how to post. By making your own
standard, you are doing just what Microsoft does.

It isn't as easy for a blind person to scroll as it is for a seeing
person. If you are going to top post, remove the quoted text entirely
instead.

/Your friendly neighbourhood Ewok