Vista - Dual Booting XP and Vista

I've noticed your post in the Virtual PC newsgroups and like the poster that
answered your post in that ng i'm a little confused over the 'upgrade'
issue.

You have, i believe, XP MCE already on your PC. If you are 'upgrading' you
are replacing XP MCE with a copy of Vista (the Vista files are being copied
over the original XP MCE files). To dual boot you would need to do a 'clean'
install of Vista and you can only do this from a full retail copy, not an
upgrade copy.

As far as VPC 2007 is concerned you would install VPC 2007 and then
'install' Vista onto the VPC virtual drive. Once again we are talking of
'installing' here, so you need a full retail copy of Vista. You can't simply
use an upgrade version as an installation on VPC unless another operating
system is on VPC in the first place. You also have the added problem with
VPC (and any other virtual machine software) of the guest operating system
sharing memory with the host operating system. Basically, if you can
understand, with virtual software you are running two operating systems
together, so if your system has, say 1GB RAM you would boot to XP (which
must be running for you to access the guest operating system on VPC) and
then launch VPC to run Vista. In this scenario XP would grab 512MB of RAM or
more (depending upon how you set things up initially) and Vista would grab
the remaining 512MB RAM - result both systems running slower than normal
and, frankly, with 512MB RAM Vista would be struggling.

Maybe dual booting would be better for you than VPC 2007?

Regards

John


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"ColTom2" <nomailaddress@none.com> wrote in message
news:uMw2PBhVHHA.3980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi John:
>
> Not knowing anything about either dual booting or Virtual PC 2007 it
> looks as if Virtual PC 2007 would be much simpler to accomplish, as I
> assume that you do not have to do anything to partition HD's. Looks as if
> you could download and install Virtual PC 2007 and you would be ready to
> upgrade to Vista or am I missing something? If this is the case why would
> anyone want to do otherwise?
>
> What are some of the Pro's and Con's of Virtual PC 2007 and also can you
> use the work around to use the Vista Premium upgrade version rather than
> full version? Can you at some point uninstall either XP or Vista at a
> later date?
>
> I would like to be able to upgrade to Vista in the simplest manner while
> retaining XP MCE because of the many application problems, as described.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:uGW46cdVHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Dual booting does solve some of the many compatibility issues between
>> software that runs on XP but doesn't currently run on Vista. I have at
>> least half a dozen applications that simply will not run on Vista and
>> until the software developer's update the software to run on Vista it is
>> necessary for me to dual boot.
>>
>> Dual booting also has another point in its favour. If one operating
>> system fails, you have another one which you can boot into quickly thus
>> resulting in less downtime.
>>
>> Of course dual booting XP and Vista does have its downside. For one if
>> you boot into XP then you loose all system restore points in Vista. So
>> before even considering a dual boot scenario with XP and Vista always
>> make sure you have the option to backup both operating systems just in
>> case of a system failure and you need to restore Vista.
>>
>> But then if you do need to use two operating systems and you don't like
>> the idea of a dual boot scenario, you could always use virtual machine
>> software, such as Virtual PC 2007 or VMWare workstation.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows - Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>> this mail/post..
>>
>> "ColTom2" <nomailaddress@none.com> wrote in message
>> news:OK6CZEdVHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> Why would or what advantage is it to upgrade to Vista Premium with dual
>>> booting capabilities? If one is going to upgrade then why not just
>>> upgrade.
>>>
>>> Frankly I don't see the purpose or advantage of dual booting other than
>>> making you OS more complicated. Maybe someone can explain why?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>
>

Hi John:

Thanks to you and all the others for your most informative data. I think
at this point I am just going to sit back for awhile, but I do agree with
your conclusion about dual booting. There is really no simple solution here.

Thanks,

ColTom


"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:eBZLs6pVHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I've noticed your post in the Virtual PC newsgroups and like the poster
> that answered your post in that ng i'm a little confused over the
> 'upgrade' issue.
>
> You have, i believe, XP MCE already on your PC. If you are 'upgrading' you
> are replacing XP MCE with a copy of Vista (the Vista files are being
> copied over the original XP MCE files). To dual boot you would need to do
> a 'clean' install of Vista and you can only do this from a full retail
> copy, not an upgrade copy.
>
> As far as VPC 2007 is concerned you would install VPC 2007 and then
> 'install' Vista onto the VPC virtual drive. Once again we are talking of
> 'installing' here, so you need a full retail copy of Vista. You can't
> simply use an upgrade version as an installation on VPC unless another
> operating system is on VPC in the first place. You also have the added
> problem with VPC (and any other virtual machine software) of the guest
> operating system sharing memory with the host operating system. Basically,
> if you can understand, with virtual software you are running two operating
> systems together, so if your system has, say 1GB RAM you would boot to XP
> (which must be running for you to access the guest operating system on
> VPC) and then launch VPC to run Vista. In this scenario XP would grab
> 512MB of RAM or more (depending upon how you set things up initially) and
> Vista would grab the remaining 512MB RAM - result both systems running
> slower than normal and, frankly, with 512MB RAM Vista would be struggling.
>
> Maybe dual booting would be better for you than VPC 2007?
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows - Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
> "ColTom2" <nomailaddress@none.com> wrote in message
> news:uMw2PBhVHHA.3980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi John:
>>
>> Not knowing anything about either dual booting or Virtual PC 2007 it
>> looks as if Virtual PC 2007 would be much simpler to accomplish, as I
>> assume that you do not have to do anything to partition HD's. Looks as if
>> you could download and install Virtual PC 2007 and you would be ready to
>> upgrade to Vista or am I missing something? If this is the case why would
>> anyone want to do otherwise?
>>
>> What are some of the Pro's and Con's of Virtual PC 2007 and also can you
>> use the work around to use the Vista Premium upgrade version rather than
>> full version? Can you at some point uninstall either XP or Vista at a
>> later date?
>>
>> I would like to be able to upgrade to Vista in the simplest manner while
>> retaining XP MCE because of the many application problems, as described.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> news:uGW46cdVHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Dual booting does solve some of the many compatibility issues between
>>> software that runs on XP but doesn't currently run on Vista. I have at
>>> least half a dozen applications that simply will not run on Vista and
>>> until the software developer's update the software to run on Vista it is
>>> necessary for me to dual boot.
>>>
>>> Dual booting also has another point in its favour. If one operating
>>> system fails, you have another one which you can boot into quickly thus
>>> resulting in less downtime.
>>>
>>> Of course dual booting XP and Vista does have its downside. For one if
>>> you boot into XP then you loose all system restore points in Vista. So
>>> before even considering a dual boot scenario with XP and Vista always
>>> make sure you have the option to backup both operating systems just in
>>> case of a system failure and you need to restore Vista.
>>>
>>> But then if you do need to use two operating systems and you don't like
>>> the idea of a dual boot scenario, you could always use virtual machine
>>> software, such as Virtual PC 2007 or VMWare workstation.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>>
>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>
>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not
>>> be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>>> arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>
>>> "ColTom2" <nomailaddress@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OK6CZEdVHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> Why would or what advantage is it to upgrade to Vista Premium with
>>>> dual booting capabilities? If one is going to upgrade then why not just
>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> Frankly I don't see the purpose or advantage of dual booting other
>>>> than making you OS more complicated. Maybe someone can explain why?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

"Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message news:qcidnTgzsN1S5kHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> One thing that has been noted before, if you have the upgrade version of
> Vista, you will not be allowed to dual boot, as Vista will disable your XP
> boot.

How does Vista disable the ability to boot XP?

> Do a search in the newsgroup\forums and you'll see some work around
> for that.

The workaround is detailed here:
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1

--

Gary VanderMolen

"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message news:eBZLs6pVHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I've noticed your post in the Virtual PC newsgroups and like the poster that
> answered your post in that ng i'm a little confused over the 'upgrade'
> issue.
>
> You have, i believe, XP MCE already on your PC. If you are 'upgrading' you
> are replacing XP MCE with a copy of Vista (the Vista files are being copied
> over the original XP MCE files). To dual boot you would need to do a 'clean'
> install of Vista and you can only do this from a full retail copy, not an
> upgrade copy.

That is not correct.
You can use the procedure here:
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1
to install a clean copy of Vista to a second partition,
using the upgrade DVD.

--

Gary VanderMolen

"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:ON06p$vVHHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message
> news:qcidnTgzsN1S5kHYnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>>
>> One thing that has been noted before, if you have the upgrade version of
>> Vista, you will not be allowed to dual boot, as Vista will disable your
>> XP boot.
>
> How does Vista disable the ability to boot XP?

Probably should have worded that better. With a little work you can
re-enable your XP boot. But by default, and that's the key for most basic
users, is that Vista takes away the option to boot to XP. When you try to
fix this by normal means, you'll break the boot to vista to fix the boot to
XP, fixing the Vista will break the XP.

I'm not expert on it, I've just seen the many post about the problems and
the MVP's response about why it's not an option. Which is why I suggested
searching the forums for a workaround, as I know it's been posted a few
times.

I have the full install versions and so I always get the option to boot
Vista or "Earlier version of Windows"

Gary this is simply a 'hack' While the scenario is workable, after all, the
same applied with XP et-al one does have to consider the licence agreement.
Following the instructions and using XP as the licence code number would
effectively remove the XP licence from that copy of XP, thus making that
copy of XP obsolete - it couldn't be used on another machine. Looking at the
scenario of upgrading to vista and then using that upgrade to clean install
would invalidate the end user licence agreement. While it is permissable to
install another copy on the same machine, this can only be done if you are
having problems with the first copy and cannot access it. It is also
essential to remove the first copy as soon as the second install is working
as it should be. The author himself even asks 'It's reasonable for us to ask
ourselves whether buying an upgrade version of Vista, and then installing it
to an empty hard disk that contains no previous version of Windows, is
ethical.' He (the author) believes it is, Microsoft, on the other hand would
probably beg to disagree.

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
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reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..


"Gary VanderMolen" <Gary@nomail.invalid> wrote in message
news:6CCB0ACE-7AB0-46B3-9698-9D8D4C8AEE10@microsoft.com...
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:eBZLs6pVHHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I've noticed your post in the Virtual PC newsgroups and like the poster
>> that answered your post in that ng i'm a little confused over the
>> 'upgrade' issue.
>>
>> You have, i believe, XP MCE already on your PC. If you are 'upgrading'
>> you are replacing XP MCE with a copy of Vista (the Vista files are being
>> copied over the original XP MCE files). To dual boot you would need to do
>> a 'clean' install of Vista and you can only do this from a full retail
>> copy, not an upgrade copy.
>
> That is not correct.
> You can use the procedure here:
> http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201#story1
> to install a clean copy of Vista to a second partition,
> using the upgrade DVD.
>
> --
>
> Gary VanderMolen