I'm going to say no, since the Vista drivers offer you an Upgrade function.
I believe that unless you're just having an odd problem, then you should be
fine with the upgrading of the drivers instead of the un-install, re-install
approach.



"Bill Davis Jr" <me@home.ocm> wrote in message
news:bfsrt2tq47i8o03u3d2913i8s7n3fpumid@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:54:08 -0000, "gram" <me@wasd.com> wrote:
>
>>yipeeeee
>>
>>"Dale White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message
>>news:NM2dnXWaXL31O0HYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
>>>
>>> 32bit
>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
>>>
>>> 64bit
>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
>>>
>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
>>>
>
> Quick question. With Xp installing newer Ati drivers one could use
> Drive Cleaner to cleanup old drivers. Is this still required with
> Vista?

Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or Doom
3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
Can i do anything to improve this?

PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista 32-bit)
Thanks

"Dale White" wrote:
> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
>
> 32bit
> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
>
> 64bit
> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
>
> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people

Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD system

Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d
games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements in
OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable

With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the
7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR

Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer 7.2
drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.

Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.

If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64

Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2

Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I run
the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I set the
quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra, the number
goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.

Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.

So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.


"Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or
> Doom
> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
> Can i do anything to improve this?
>
> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista 32-bit)
> Thanks
>
> "Dale White" wrote:
>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
>>
>> 32bit
>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
>>
>> 64bit
>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
>>
>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
>

Hehe, i dont have a doubt that 7.2 is realy worst than 7.1 in terms of
gaming, i dont understand whats is going on there. Dont they have a bounch of
gamers testing these drivers before they release it?

Well, you actually have good benchmarks, not like XP of course, but still
playable. I can't even play Quake4 or Doom even in Low Quality 800*600, and
XP i finished the games in high quality 1280*1024... this is not good, i hope
that they can resolve this issues fast, because not all of us can pay a
ultra-computer just to play in Vista. :\ You probably have a
ultra-game-computer for those results

I'm going to stick in Vista for the moment, because i can still play CS for
now. And Playstation 3 is almost out here in Portugal (March 23) :-P

Is there any advantege on having the ATI Catalyst Control Panel installed?

"Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:

> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD system
>
> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d
> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements in
> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable
>
> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the
> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
>
> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer 7.2
> drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
>
> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
>
> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64
>
> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
>
> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I run
> the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I set the
> quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra, the number
> goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
>
> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
>
> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
>
>
> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
> > Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or
> > Doom
> > 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
> > Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
> > Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
> > Can i do anything to improve this?
> >
> > PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista 32-bit)
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Dale White" wrote:
> >> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
> >>
> >> 32bit
> >> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
> >>
> >> 64bit
> >> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
> >>
> >> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
> >
>
>

Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
ChrisC
"Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message
news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD
> system
>
> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d
> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements
> in
> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable
>
> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the
> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
>
> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer
> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
>
> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
>
> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64
>
> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
>
> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I
> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I set
> the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra, the
> number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
>
> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
>
> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
>
>
> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or
>> Doom
>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
>> Can i do anything to improve this?
>>
>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista
>> 32-bit)
>> Thanks
>>
>> "Dale White" wrote:
>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
>>>
>>> 32bit
>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
>>>
>>> 64bit
>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
>>>
>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
>>
>

After installing this new driver i can't open CC anymore? there is no ATi icon in the system tray either.

Anyone else with this problem?

I have tried to install it again and also uninstall and delete the ATI folder but this doesn't seem to work for me...

Vista Premium x64
ATi X1900XTX

Asus P5W DH Deluxe
E6600, 2GB PC2-6400

I had that issue and I'm not sure what I did to fix it.I think if you try
logging in under a different account (admin level) then you'll get it back.
I had the problem under the 32bit flavor

"Vista" <Vista.2mh5jt@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:Vista.2mh5jt@no-mx.forums.net...
>
> After installing this new driver i can't open CC anymore? there is no
> ATi icon in the system tray either.
>
> Anyone else with this problem?
>
> I have tried to install it again and also uninstall and delete the ATI
> folder but this doesn't seem to work for me...
>
> Vista Premium x64
> ATi X1900XTX
>
> Asus P5W DH Deluxe
> E6600, 2GB PC2-6400
>
>
> --
> Vista

yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I would
say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy P4
and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different product
to say



"Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
> Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
> ChrisC
> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message
> news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD
>> system
>>
>> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d
>> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
>> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements
>> in
>> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable
>>
>> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the
>> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
>>
>> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer
>> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
>>
>> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
>> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
>> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
>> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
>>
>> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64
>>
>> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
>> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
>> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
>> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
>>
>> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I
>> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I
>> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra,
>> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
>>
>> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
>>
>> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
>>
>>
>> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
>>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or
>>> Doom
>>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
>>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
>>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
>>> Can i do anything to improve this?
>>>
>>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista
>>> 32-bit)
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> "Dale White" wrote:
>>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
>>>>
>>>> 32bit
>>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
>>>>
>>>> 64bit
>>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
>>>>
>>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
>>>
>>
>

I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another motherboard,
another processor and memory... ohh about 700€, thats nice :'(

"Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:

>
> yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I would
> say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy P4
> and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different product
> to say
>
>
>
> "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
> > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
> > ChrisC
> > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message
> > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
> >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD
> >> system
> >>
> >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d
> >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
> >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements
> >> in
> >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable
> >>
> >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the
> >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
> >>
> >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer
> >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
> >>
> >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
> >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
> >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
> >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
> >>
> >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64
> >>
> >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
> >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> >>
> >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I
> >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I
> >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra,
> >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
> >>
> >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
> >>
> >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
> >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or
> >>> Doom
> >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
> >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
> >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
> >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
> >>>
> >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista
> >>> 32-bit)
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> "Dale White" wrote:
> >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
> >>>>
> >>>> 32bit
> >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
> >>>>
> >>>> 64bit
> >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just about 600€
more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\

"Filipe" wrote:

> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another motherboard,
> another processor and memory... ohh about 700€, thats nice :'(
>
> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
>
> >
> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I would
> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy P4
> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different product
> > to say
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
> > > ChrisC
> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in message
> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking AMD
> > >> system
> > >>
> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and Direct3d
> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of refinements
> > >> in
> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it stable
> > >>
> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers and the
> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
> > >>
> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the newer
> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
> > >>
> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
> > >>
> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under Vista32&64
> > >>
> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
> > >>
> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista. Sometimes I
> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if I
> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to Ultra,
> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
> > >>
> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
> > >>
> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake 4 or
> > >>> Doom
> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life 2 and
> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
> > >>>
> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista
> > >>> 32-bit)
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 32bit
> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 64bit
> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia people
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >