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ATI 7.2 drivers are released

  1. #21


    Dale M. White Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the GF's
    system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI X850
    card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system and
    here's what I saw with Doom3

    Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87.
    Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows on, the
    score was 52.

    What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3.

    Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd system,
    when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266. You have
    to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400. Originally I
    ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory speeds
    are wrong, it possible that's your big problem.

    I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia 6600, with
    1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you system
    is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong. One
    thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off all
    the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again.




    "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:50479A0B-75EC-414F-89F0-710A8B45B0A7@microsoft.com...
    > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just about 600?
    > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\
    >
    > "Filipe" wrote:
    >
    >> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another motherboard,
    >> another processor and memory... ohh about 700?, thats nice :'(
    >>
    >> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I
    >> > would
    >> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy
    >> > P4
    >> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different
    >> > product
    >> > to say
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
    >> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
    >> > > ChrisC
    >> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in
    >> > > message
    >> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
    >> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking
    >> > >> AMD
    >> > >> system
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and
    >> > >> Direct3d
    >> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
    >> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of
    >> > >> refinements
    >> > >> in
    >> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it
    >> > >> stable
    >> > >>
    >> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers
    >> > >> and the
    >> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the
    >> > >> newer
    >> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
    >> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
    >> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
    >> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under
    >> > >> Vista32&64
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
    >> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista.
    >> > >> Sometimes I
    >> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if
    >> > >> I
    >> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to
    >> > >> Ultra,
    >> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
    >> > >>
    >> > >>
    >> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
    >> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake
    >> > >>> 4 or
    >> > >>> Doom
    >> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life
    >> > >>> 2 and
    >> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
    >> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
    >> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
    >> > >>>
    >> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista
    >> > >>> 32-bit)
    >> > >>> Thanks
    >> > >>>
    >> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
    >> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
    >> > >>>>
    >> > >>>> 32bit
    >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
    >> > >>>>
    >> > >>>> 64bit
    >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
    >> > >>>>
    >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia
    >> > >>>> people
    >> > >>>
    >> > >>
    >> > >
    >> >
    >> >




      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2. #22


    Filipe Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    Dale,
    I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right?
    I can try to overclock the system to almost from 3gb to 4gb, but i havent
    try Asus AI Overclocking yet.

    Can you tell me what tool you use to benchmark and get those scores?

    Thanks again.

    "Dale M. White" wrote:

    > Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the GF's
    > system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI X850
    > card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system and
    > here's what I saw with Doom3
    >
    > Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87.
    > Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows on, the
    > score was 52.
    >
    > What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3.
    >
    > Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd system,
    > when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266. You have
    > to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400. Originally I
    > ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory speeds
    > are wrong, it possible that's your big problem.
    >
    > I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia 6600, with
    > 1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you system
    > is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong. One
    > thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off all
    > the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:50479A0B-75EC-414F-89F0-710A8B45B0A7@microsoft.com...
    > > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just about 600?
    > > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\
    > >
    > > "Filipe" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another motherboard,
    > >> another processor and memory... ohh about 700?, thats nice :'(
    > >>
    > >> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured I
    > >> > would
    > >> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that crappy
    > >> > P4
    > >> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different
    > >> > product
    > >> > to say
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
    > >> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
    > >> > > ChrisC
    > >> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in
    > >> > > message
    > >> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
    > >> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking
    > >> > >> AMD
    > >> > >> system
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and
    > >> > >> Direct3d
    > >> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers and
    > >> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of
    > >> > >> refinements
    > >> > >> in
    > >> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it
    > >> > >> stable
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers
    > >> > >> and the
    > >> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and the
    > >> > >> newer
    > >> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
    > >> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
    > >> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
    > >> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under
    > >> > >> Vista32&64
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
    > >> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista.
    > >> > >> Sometimes I
    > >> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps, if
    > >> > >> I
    > >> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to
    > >> > >> Ultra,
    > >> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and 7.2.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
    > >> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play Quake
    > >> > >>> 4 or
    > >> > >>> Doom
    > >> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half Life
    > >> > >>> 2 and
    > >> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming experience).
    > >> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake & Doom?
    > >> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
    > >> > >>>
    > >> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB, Vista
    > >> > >>> 32-bit)
    > >> > >>> Thanks
    > >> > >>>
    > >> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
    > >> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
    > >> > >>>>
    > >> > >>>> 32bit
    > >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
    > >> > >>>>
    > >> > >>>> 64bit
    > >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
    > >> > >>>>
    > >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia
    > >> > >>>> people
    > >> > >>>
    > >> > >>
    > >> > >
    > >> >
    > >> >

    >
    >
    >


      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3. #23


    Dale M. White Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    When the system boots, it normally tells you what speed your ram is running
    at. But yes, you would go into the bios to check you ram settings. On ASUS,
    there should be an option called Advance settings. A easy way to figure out
    if RAM speed is the problem, is to remove two of the sticks, the system
    should boot under the normal DDR400 mode.

    Overclocking will not fix your problem, in fact you may cause your system to
    hang. Not that Im against overclocking, I've just had more trouble
    overclocking with 4 sticks of memory than 2 sticks, which is why I traded in
    my 4 sticks and bought 2x1GB sticks.

    To run the doom3 benchmark, you start the game. Hit Ctrl + ~ this should
    drop down your console window and you would type in timedemo demo1 1 You
    can bind this command to a key so that you can skip the a few steps, from
    the console you would type

    bind F5 timedemo demo1 1

    from that point on, anytime you press the F5 key the demo benchmark will
    start.

    That will run the basic Doom3 benchmark and give you a score.


    "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:EE27DE5B-EAE8-4F9B-8638-82557ADF0A14@microsoft.com...
    > Dale,
    > I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right?
    > I can try to overclock the system to almost from 3gb to 4gb, but i havent
    > try Asus AI Overclocking yet.
    >
    > Can you tell me what tool you use to benchmark and get those scores?
    >
    > Thanks again.
    >
    > "Dale M. White" wrote:
    >
    >> Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the GF's
    >> system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI X850
    >> card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system and
    >> here's what I saw with Doom3
    >>
    >> Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87.
    >> Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows on,
    >> the
    >> score was 52.
    >>
    >> What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3.
    >>
    >> Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd system,
    >> when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266. You
    >> have
    >> to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400.
    >> Originally I
    >> ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory
    >> speeds
    >> are wrong, it possible that's your big problem.
    >>
    >> I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia 6600,
    >> with
    >> 1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you
    >> system
    >> is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong. One
    >> thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off all
    >> the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:50479A0B-75EC-414F-89F0-710A8B45B0A7@microsoft.com...
    >> > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just about
    >> > 600?
    >> > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\
    >> >
    >> > "Filipe" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another
    >> >> motherboard,
    >> >> another processor and memory... ohh about 700?, thats nice :'(
    >> >>
    >> >> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > would
    >> >> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that
    >> >> > crappy
    >> >> > P4
    >> >> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different
    >> >> > product
    >> >> > to say
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
    >> >> > > ChrisC
    >> >> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in
    >> >> > > message
    >> >> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
    >> >> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking
    >> >> > >> AMD
    >> >> > >> system
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and
    >> >> > >> Direct3d
    >> >> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers
    >> >> > >> and
    >> >> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of
    >> >> > >> refinements
    >> >> > >> in
    >> >> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it
    >> >> > >> stable
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers
    >> >> > >> and the
    >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and
    >> >> > >> the
    >> >> > >> newer
    >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
    >> >> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
    >> >> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
    >> >> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under
    >> >> > >> Vista32&64
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
    >> >> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> >> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> >> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista.
    >> >> > >> Sometimes I
    >> >> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps,
    >> >> > >> if
    >> >> > >> I
    >> >> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to
    >> >> > >> Ultra,
    >> >> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and
    >> >> > >> 7.2.
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play
    >> >> > >>> Quake
    >> >> > >>> 4 or
    >> >> > >>> Doom
    >> >> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half
    >> >> > >>> Life
    >> >> > >>> 2 and
    >> >> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming
    >> >> > >>> experience).
    >> >> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake &
    >> >> > >>> Doom?
    >> >> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
    >> >> > >>>
    >> >> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB,
    >> >> > >>> Vista
    >> >> > >>> 32-bit)
    >> >> > >>> Thanks
    >> >> > >>>
    >> >> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
    >> >> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
    >> >> > >>>>
    >> >> > >>>> 32bit
    >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
    >> >> > >>>>
    >> >> > >>>> 64bit
    >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
    >> >> > >>>>
    >> >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia
    >> >> > >>>> people
    >> >> > >>>
    >> >> > >>
    >> >> > >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>




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  4. #24


    Filipe Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    Well, my system boot dosent show my memory detail nor speed. I tryed to check
    in BIOS but i can't find the memory speed :\
    I used a aplication called CPU-Z (you probably know) that shows us the
    current cpu speed, and memory speed, etc etc... and it says in memory:
    size: 2048 mb
    frequency: 159.9 mhz

    And Doom3 at medium quality at 1024*768 gave me the excelent result of: 5.8
    FPS Yes 5(dot)8, not 58!!! This is bad right? :'(
    But in XP i had excelent results in high quality, i played the game very
    well there.

    What can i do? pleaseeeeee helpppp

    "Dale M. White" wrote:

    > When the system boots, it normally tells you what speed your ram is running
    > at. But yes, you would go into the bios to check you ram settings. On ASUS,
    > there should be an option called Advance settings. A easy way to figure out
    > if RAM speed is the problem, is to remove two of the sticks, the system
    > should boot under the normal DDR400 mode.
    >
    > Overclocking will not fix your problem, in fact you may cause your system to
    > hang. Not that Im against overclocking, I've just had more trouble
    > overclocking with 4 sticks of memory than 2 sticks, which is why I traded in
    > my 4 sticks and bought 2x1GB sticks.
    >
    > To run the doom3 benchmark, you start the game. Hit Ctrl + ~ this should
    > drop down your console window and you would type in timedemo demo1 1 You
    > can bind this command to a key so that you can skip the a few steps, from
    > the console you would type
    >
    > bind F5 timedemo demo1 1
    >
    > from that point on, anytime you press the F5 key the demo benchmark will
    > start.
    >
    > That will run the basic Doom3 benchmark and give you a score.
    >
    >
    > "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:EE27DE5B-EAE8-4F9B-8638-82557ADF0A14@microsoft.com...
    > > Dale,
    > > I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right?
    > > I can try to overclock the system to almost from 3gb to 4gb, but i havent
    > > try Asus AI Overclocking yet.
    > >
    > > Can you tell me what tool you use to benchmark and get those scores?
    > >
    > > Thanks again.
    > >
    > > "Dale M. White" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the GF's
    > >> system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI X850
    > >> card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system and
    > >> here's what I saw with Doom3
    > >>
    > >> Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87.
    > >> Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows on,
    > >> the
    > >> score was 52.
    > >>
    > >> What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3.
    > >>
    > >> Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd system,
    > >> when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266. You
    > >> have
    > >> to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400.
    > >> Originally I
    > >> ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory
    > >> speeds
    > >> are wrong, it possible that's your big problem.
    > >>
    > >> I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia 6600,
    > >> with
    > >> 1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you
    > >> system
    > >> is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong. One
    > >> thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off all
    > >> the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:50479A0B-75EC-414F-89F0-710A8B45B0A7@microsoft.com...
    > >> > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just about
    > >> > 600?
    > >> > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\
    > >> >
    > >> > "Filipe" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another
    > >> >> motherboard,
    > >> >> another processor and memory... ohh about 700?, thats nice :'(
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I figured
    > >> >> > I
    > >> >> > would
    > >> >> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that
    > >> >> > crappy
    > >> >> > P4
    > >> >> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a different
    > >> >> > product
    > >> >> > to say
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
    > >> >> > > ChrisC
    > >> >> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote in
    > >> >> > > message
    > >> >> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
    > >> >> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a kicking
    > >> >> > >> AMD
    > >> >> > >> system
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL and
    > >> >> > >> Direct3d
    > >> >> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1 drivers
    > >> >> > >> and
    > >> >> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of
    > >> >> > >> refinements
    > >> >> > >> in
    > >> >> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make it
    > >> >> > >> stable
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1 drivers
    > >> >> > >> and the
    > >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and
    > >> >> > >> the
    > >> >> > >> newer
    > >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
    > >> >> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
    > >> >> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
    > >> >> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under
    > >> >> > >> Vista32&64
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
    > >> >> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> >> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> >> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista.
    > >> >> > >> Sometimes I
    > >> >> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get 50-55ps,
    > >> >> > >> if
    > >> >> > >> I
    > >> >> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back to
    > >> >> > >> Ultra,
    > >> >> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1 and
    > >> >> > >> 7.2.
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra High.
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play
    > >> >> > >>> Quake
    > >> >> > >>> 4 or
    > >> >> > >>> Doom
    > >> >> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half
    > >> >> > >>> Life
    > >> >> > >>> 2 and
    > >> >> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming
    > >> >> > >>> experience).
    > >> >> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake &
    > >> >> > >>> Doom?
    > >> >> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
    > >> >> > >>>
    > >> >> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB,
    > >> >> > >>> Vista
    > >> >> > >>> 32-bit)
    > >> >> > >>> Thanks
    > >> >> > >>>
    > >> >> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
    > >> >> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me ! ! !
    > >> >> > >>>>
    > >> >> > >>>> 32bit
    > >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
    > >> >> > >>>>
    > >> >> > >>>> 64bit
    > >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
    > >> >> > >>>>
    > >> >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the nVidia
    > >> >> > >>>> people
    > >> >> > >>>
    > >> >> > >>
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >


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  5. #25


    Dale M. White Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    Whoa 5.8, that's just crazy. you've got something funky going on.

    Here is my report for verison 1.39 of CPU-Z
    http://images1.filecloud.com/373464/mem_speed.jpg

    Notice my memory is reporting 225, that's because it is overclocked from the
    standard 200. 200 is the speed for DDR400 aka PC3200

    Your memory is reporting 159.9 or basically 160, which x2 would basically be
    320 which is close enough to 333, to tell me your memory speed is slow.
    Which is odd, traditionally Intel chipsets don't act as bad as AMD

    Also, look and make sure you memory is saying DUAL in teh channels,it almost
    sounds like you're running in single channel mode.

    Odd that this wasn't a problem under Vista, or did oyu just recently add the
    other GB of ram ? You might still have some other problem going on. Did oyu
    install your chipset drivers ? if you run DXDIAG and look at display,
    everything should say enabled. if not, you're probably missing somechipset
    drivers or something
    http://images1.filecloud.com/373466/dxdiag.jpg

    Not sure what else to tell you, maybe you just have a bad install of Vista.


    "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:2377F2D0-AAD9-4C9D-BC06-76D1D18F98C1@microsoft.com...
    > Well, my system boot dosent show my memory detail nor speed. I tryed to
    > check
    > in BIOS but i can't find the memory speed :\
    > I used a aplication called CPU-Z (you probably know) that shows us the
    > current cpu speed, and memory speed, etc etc... and it says in memory:
    > size: 2048 mb
    > frequency: 159.9 mhz
    >
    > And Doom3 at medium quality at 1024*768 gave me the excelent result of:
    > 5.8
    > FPS Yes 5(dot)8, not 58!!! This is bad right? :'(
    > But in XP i had excelent results in high quality, i played the game very
    > well there.
    >
    > What can i do? pleaseeeeee helpppp
    >
    > "Dale M. White" wrote:
    >
    >> When the system boots, it normally tells you what speed your ram is
    >> running
    >> at. But yes, you would go into the bios to check you ram settings. On
    >> ASUS,
    >> there should be an option called Advance settings. A easy way to figure
    >> out
    >> if RAM speed is the problem, is to remove two of the sticks, the system
    >> should boot under the normal DDR400 mode.
    >>
    >> Overclocking will not fix your problem, in fact you may cause your system
    >> to
    >> hang. Not that Im against overclocking, I've just had more trouble
    >> overclocking with 4 sticks of memory than 2 sticks, which is why I traded
    >> in
    >> my 4 sticks and bought 2x1GB sticks.
    >>
    >> To run the doom3 benchmark, you start the game. Hit Ctrl + ~ this should
    >> drop down your console window and you would type in timedemo demo1 1
    >> You
    >> can bind this command to a key so that you can skip the a few steps, from
    >> the console you would type
    >>
    >> bind F5 timedemo demo1 1
    >>
    >> from that point on, anytime you press the F5 key the demo benchmark will
    >> start.
    >>
    >> That will run the basic Doom3 benchmark and give you a score.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:EE27DE5B-EAE8-4F9B-8638-82557ADF0A14@microsoft.com...
    >> > Dale,
    >> > I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right?
    >> > I can try to overclock the system to almost from 3gb to 4gb, but i
    >> > havent
    >> > try Asus AI Overclocking yet.
    >> >
    >> > Can you tell me what tool you use to benchmark and get those scores?
    >> >
    >> > Thanks again.
    >> >
    >> > "Dale M. White" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the
    >> >> GF's
    >> >> system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI
    >> >> X850
    >> >> card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system
    >> >> and
    >> >> here's what I saw with Doom3
    >> >>
    >> >> Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87.
    >> >> Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows
    >> >> on,
    >> >> the
    >> >> score was 52.
    >> >>
    >> >> What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3.
    >> >>
    >> >> Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd
    >> >> system,
    >> >> when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266.
    >> >> You
    >> >> have
    >> >> to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400.
    >> >> Originally I
    >> >> ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory
    >> >> speeds
    >> >> are wrong, it possible that's your big problem.
    >> >>
    >> >> I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia
    >> >> 6600,
    >> >> with
    >> >> 1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you
    >> >> system
    >> >> is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong.
    >> >> One
    >> >> thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off
    >> >> all
    >> >> the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:50479A0B-75EC-414F-89F0-710A8B45B0A7@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just
    >> >> > about
    >> >> > 600?
    >> >> > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Filipe" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another
    >> >> >> motherboard,
    >> >> >> another processor and memory... ohh about 700?, thats nice :'(
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I
    >> >> >> > figured
    >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> > would
    >> >> >> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that
    >> >> >> > crappy
    >> >> >> > P4
    >> >> >> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a
    >> >> >> > different
    >> >> >> > product
    >> >> >> > to say
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
    >> >> >> > > ChrisC
    >> >> >> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote
    >> >> >> > > in
    >> >> >> > > message
    >> >> >> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
    >> >> >> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a
    >> >> >> > >> kicking
    >> >> >> > >> AMD
    >> >> >> > >> system
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL
    >> >> >> > >> and
    >> >> >> > >> Direct3d
    >> >> >> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1
    >> >> >> > >> drivers
    >> >> >> > >> and
    >> >> >> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of
    >> >> >> > >> refinements
    >> >> >> > >> in
    >> >> >> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make
    >> >> >> > >> it
    >> >> >> > >> stable
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1
    >> >> >> > >> drivers
    >> >> >> > >> and the
    >> >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and
    >> >> >> > >> the
    >> >> >> > >> newer
    >> >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
    >> >> >> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
    >> >> >> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
    >> >> >> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under
    >> >> >> > >> Vista32&64
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
    >> >> >> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> >> >> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> >> >> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista.
    >> >> >> > >> Sometimes I
    >> >> >> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get
    >> >> >> > >> 50-55ps,
    >> >> >> > >> if
    >> >> >> > >> I
    >> >> >> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back
    >> >> >> > >> to
    >> >> >> > >> Ultra,
    >> >> >> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1
    >> >> >> > >> and
    >> >> >> > >> 7.2.
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra
    >> >> >> > >> High.
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play
    >> >> >> > >>> Quake
    >> >> >> > >>> 4 or
    >> >> >> > >>> Doom
    >> >> >> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half
    >> >> >> > >>> Life
    >> >> >> > >>> 2 and
    >> >> >> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming
    >> >> >> > >>> experience).
    >> >> >> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake &
    >> >> >> > >>> Doom?
    >> >> >> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
    >> >> >> > >>>
    >> >> >> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB,
    >> >> >> > >>> Vista
    >> >> >> > >>> 32-bit)
    >> >> >> > >>> Thanks
    >> >> >> > >>>
    >> >> >> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
    >> >> >> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me !
    >> >> >> > >>>> ! !
    >> >> >> > >>>>
    >> >> >> > >>>> 32bit
    >> >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
    >> >> >> > >>>>
    >> >> >> > >>>> 64bit
    >> >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
    >> >> >> > >>>>
    >> >> >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the
    >> >> >> > >>>> nVidia
    >> >> >> > >>>> people
    >> >> >> > >>>
    >> >> >> > >>
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>




      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #26


    Filipe Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again.
    Here is my DirectX Display:
    http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/286...displaypd5.jpg

    Yes. I did add an extra 512 DDR400 when i installed Vista...
    I turn the AI Overclocking to manual and the memory fields appear. I just
    turn memory frequency to 400mhz. After doing that, CPU-Z gave me the follow:
    http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/539...ryafterpd6.jpg

    &CPU
    http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/443...puafteron4.jpg

    But besides, i ran another benchmark of doom after this and it gave me FPS =
    7.8 :'(

    One apart thing, whenever i open the Control Panel, the windows gives me a
    "windows explorer error" and closes, do you have any idea why? This gave me
    before i did this changes.

    What do you think Dale?

    "Dale M. White" wrote:
    > Whoa 5.8, that's just crazy. you've got something funky going on.
    >
    > Here is my report for verison 1.39 of CPU-Z
    > http://images1.filecloud.com/373464/mem_speed.jpg
    >
    > Notice my memory is reporting 225, that's because it is overclocked from the
    > standard 200. 200 is the speed for DDR400 aka PC3200
    >
    > Your memory is reporting 159.9 or basically 160, which x2 would basically be
    > 320 which is close enough to 333, to tell me your memory speed is slow.
    > Which is odd, traditionally Intel chipsets don't act as bad as AMD
    >
    > Also, look and make sure you memory is saying DUAL in teh channels,it almost
    > sounds like you're running in single channel mode.
    >
    > Odd that this wasn't a problem under Vista, or did oyu just recently add the
    > other GB of ram ? You might still have some other problem going on. Did oyu
    > install your chipset drivers ? if you run DXDIAG and look at display,
    > everything should say enabled. if not, you're probably missing somechipset
    > drivers or something
    > http://images1.filecloud.com/373466/dxdiag.jpg
    >
    > Not sure what else to tell you, maybe you just have a bad install of Vista.
    >
    >
    > "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:2377F2D0-AAD9-4C9D-BC06-76D1D18F98C1@microsoft.com...
    > > Well, my system boot dosent show my memory detail nor speed. I tryed to
    > > check
    > > in BIOS but i can't find the memory speed :\
    > > I used a aplication called CPU-Z (you probably know) that shows us the
    > > current cpu speed, and memory speed, etc etc... and it says in memory:
    > > size: 2048 mb
    > > frequency: 159.9 mhz
    > >
    > > And Doom3 at medium quality at 1024*768 gave me the excelent result of:
    > > 5.8
    > > FPS Yes 5(dot)8, not 58!!! This is bad right? :'(
    > > But in XP i had excelent results in high quality, i played the game very
    > > well there.
    > >
    > > What can i do? pleaseeeeee helpppp
    > >
    > > "Dale M. White" wrote:
    > >
    > >> When the system boots, it normally tells you what speed your ram is
    > >> running
    > >> at. But yes, you would go into the bios to check you ram settings. On
    > >> ASUS,
    > >> there should be an option called Advance settings. A easy way to figure
    > >> out
    > >> if RAM speed is the problem, is to remove two of the sticks, the system
    > >> should boot under the normal DDR400 mode.
    > >>
    > >> Overclocking will not fix your problem, in fact you may cause your system
    > >> to
    > >> hang. Not that Im against overclocking, I've just had more trouble
    > >> overclocking with 4 sticks of memory than 2 sticks, which is why I traded
    > >> in
    > >> my 4 sticks and bought 2x1GB sticks.
    > >>
    > >> To run the doom3 benchmark, you start the game. Hit Ctrl + ~ this should
    > >> drop down your console window and you would type in timedemo demo1 1
    > >> You
    > >> can bind this command to a key so that you can skip the a few steps, from
    > >> the console you would type
    > >>
    > >> bind F5 timedemo demo1 1
    > >>
    > >> from that point on, anytime you press the F5 key the demo benchmark will
    > >> start.
    > >>
    > >> That will run the basic Doom3 benchmark and give you a score.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:EE27DE5B-EAE8-4F9B-8638-82557ADF0A14@microsoft.com...
    > >> > Dale,
    > >> > I have 4x512mb. Where will i set the memory speed? At BIOS right?
    > >> > I can try to overclock the system to almost from 3gb to 4gb, but i
    > >> > havent
    > >> > try Asus AI Overclocking yet.
    > >> >
    > >> > Can you tell me what tool you use to benchmark and get those scores?
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks again.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Dale M. White" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> Well, since you mentioned it, I figured I would install doom3 on the
    > >> >> GF's
    > >> >> system and see how it runs. It's a AMD 3800+, 2GB of ram, and a ATI
    > >> >> X850
    > >> >> card. Vista32 running the 7.1 drivers. It's also a dual boot system
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> here's what I saw with Doom3
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Under XP,at 1024x768 on high, No shadows it got a score of 87.
    > >> >> Under Vista, same settings, it's highest score was 65. With shadows
    > >> >> on,
    > >> >> the
    > >> >> score was 52.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> What is the benchmark scores you are seeing under Doom3.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Also, is your memory 2x1GB or 4x512MB ? I noticed on alot of AMd
    > >> >> system,
    > >> >> when you run 4 chips, it drops the memory speed down to 333 or 266.
    > >> >> You
    > >> >> have
    > >> >> to go in and set memory speed to manual and make sure it's 400.
    > >> >> Originally I
    > >> >> ran the test at 333 and I couldn't score abouve a 55. if your memory
    > >> >> speeds
    > >> >> are wrong, it possible that's your big problem.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> I have a 3rd home system, that is a AMD 3400+ with a basic nVidia
    > >> >> 6600,
    > >> >> with
    > >> >> 1GB of ram and Vista64 and it even managed to score a 54. So if you
    > >> >> system
    > >> >> is scoring less than a 60, then I'd imagine there is something wrong.
    > >> >> One
    > >> >> thing you could try is it log-in under a different account, turn off
    > >> >> all
    > >> >> the windows Themes, and run the benchmark again.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:50479A0B-75EC-414F-89F0-710A8B45B0A7@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > Oh, almost forgot. A new kick-ass Video Card, and thats is just
    > >> >> > about
    > >> >> > 600?
    > >> >> > more... so is it necessary to make the math? :-\
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Filipe" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> I see, so the only help you guys can give me is buy another
    > >> >> >> motherboard,
    > >> >> >> another processor and memory... ohh about 700?, thats nice :'(
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" wrote:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > yeah but his Intel doesn't work well, and my AMD does, so I
    > >> >> >> > figured
    > >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> > would
    > >> >> >> > say it. If I had a Core 2 duo, I would have said get rid of that
    > >> >> >> > crappy
    > >> >> >> > P4
    > >> >> >> > and get a Conroe. The key is, no matter they have, find a
    > >> >> >> > different
    > >> >> >> > product
    > >> >> >> > to say
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > "Chris" <cuke2u@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> > news:3F90DF0B-B216-4A72-B9F9-F7337A75A0FB@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> > > Dale, don't you really mean a AMD kicking Conroe Duo?
    > >> >> >> > > ChrisC
    > >> >> >> > > "Dale "Mad_Murdock" White" <dale.white@NOinsightbb.NOcom> wrote
    > >> >> >> > > in
    > >> >> >> > > message
    > >> >> >> > > news:deCdnYUQqYGklULYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpnZ2d@insightbb.com...
    > >> >> >> > >> Well, get rid of that crappy Intel CPU and get yourself a
    > >> >> >> > >> kicking
    > >> >> >> > >> AMD
    > >> >> >> > >> system
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Just kidding, Yes there is a nice difference between OpenGL
    > >> >> >> > >> and
    > >> >> >> > >> Direct3d
    > >> >> >> > >> games. If I recall my facts right, ATI said that the 7.1
    > >> >> >> > >> drivers
    > >> >> >> > >> and
    > >> >> >> > >> probably the 7.2 drivers are not going to have much by way of
    > >> >> >> > >> refinements
    > >> >> >> > >> in
    > >> >> >> > >> OpenGL. the main focus was to give support for openGL and make
    > >> >> >> > >> it
    > >> >> >> > >> stable
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> With that said, I ran a series of benchmarks with the 7.1
    > >> >> >> > >> drivers
    > >> >> >> > >> and the
    > >> >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers with Doom 3 (patch 1.31) and FEAR
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Under Vista, OpenGL games seem to be a fair amount slower, and
    > >> >> >> > >> the
    > >> >> >> > >> newer
    > >> >> >> > >> 7.2 drivers actually seem to be worse than the 7.1 drivers.
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Doom 3 with Ultra high settings
    > >> >> >> > >> Under Xp I got 131-135fps with the 7.1s. I got 128fps with 7.2
    > >> >> >> > >> Under Vista32, I got 110fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2
    > >> >> >> > >> Under Vista64, I got 105fps with 7.1 and now 85 with 7.2.
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> If I drop down to High settings I get around 110-115fps under
    > >> >> >> > >> Vista32&64
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Fear with Max settings, no softshadows
    > >> >> >> > >> Under XP, Fear gets around 140-145 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> >> >> > >> Under Vista32, FEAR gets around 131 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> >> >> > >> Under Vista64, FEAR gets around 139 with both 7.1 and 7.2
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Doom3 seems to also be a little wierd at times under Vista.
    > >> >> >> > >> Sometimes I
    > >> >> >> > >> run the bencmark with setting on Ultra high and I'll get
    > >> >> >> > >> 50-55ps,
    > >> >> >> > >> if
    > >> >> >> > >> I
    > >> >> >> > >> set the quailty to high, run the benchmarks, and then set back
    > >> >> >> > >> to
    > >> >> >> > >> Ultra,
    > >> >> >> > >> the number goes back up to 85. This happened under both 7.1
    > >> >> >> > >> and
    > >> >> >> > >> 7.2.
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> Under XP, I never have a problem when I start out on Ultra
    > >> >> >> > >> High.
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> So it might be a while before the OpenGL stff gets worked out.
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >> "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> > >> news:EA3A5033-D687-4004-9875-D637DB2781BC@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> > >>> Still after i installed the new ATI 7.2 drivers i can't play
    > >> >> >> > >>> Quake
    > >> >> >> > >>> 4 or
    > >> >> >> > >>> Doom
    > >> >> >> > >>> 3. They are so slow even in low quality. But, i can play Half
    > >> >> >> > >>> Life
    > >> >> >> > >>> 2 and
    > >> >> >> > >>> Counterstrike well at 1024* (still far from XP gaming
    > >> >> >> > >>> experience).
    > >> >> >> > >>> Is this diference because of the OpenGL required for Quake &
    > >> >> >> > >>> Doom?
    > >> >> >> > >>> Can i do anything to improve this?
    > >> >> >> > >>>
    > >> >> >> > >>> PC: (P4 at 3.0, MB P4P800, 2GB DDR, Asus Radeon AX800 256MB,
    > >> >> >> > >>> Vista
    > >> >> >> > >>> 32-bit)
    > >> >> >> > >>> Thanks
    > >> >> >> > >>>
    > >> >> >> > >>> "Dale White" wrote:
    > >> >> >> > >>>> Yeah I'm the first to get it posted a gold star for me !
    > >> >> >> > >>>> ! !
    > >> >> >> > >>>>
    > >> >> >> > >>>> 32bit
    > >> >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista32.html
    > >> >> >> > >>>>
    > >> >> >> > >>>> 64bit
    > >> >> >> > >>>> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/v...n-vista64.html
    > >> >> >> > >>>>
    > >> >> >> > >>>> Not that the ATI people need new drivers as bad as the
    > >> >> >> > >>>> nVidia
    > >> >> >> > >>>> people
    > >> >> >> > >>>
    > >> >> >> > >>
    > >> >> >> > >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

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  7. #27


    Bill Davis Jr Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    I do not know if you mentioned it but what motherboard are you using?

    On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:45:00 -0800, Filipe
    <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again.
    >Here is my DirectX Display:
    >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/286...displaypd5.jpg
    >
    >Yes. I did add an extra 512 DDR400 when i installed Vista...
    >I turn the AI Overclocking to manual and the memory fields appear. I just
    >turn memory frequency to 400mhz. After doing that, CPU-Z gave me the follow:
    >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/539...ryafterpd6.jpg
    >
    >&CPU
    >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/443...puafteron4.jpg
    >
    >But besides, i ran another benchmark of doom after this and it gave me FPS =
    >7.8 :'(
    >
    >One apart thing, whenever i open the Control Panel, the windows gives me a
    >"windows explorer error" and closes, do you have any idea why? This gave me
    >before i did this changes.
    >
    >What do you think Dale?


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  8. #28


    Filipe Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    I'm using ASUS P4P800, that has the Ai overclocking feature.

    "Bill Davis Jr" wrote:

    > I do not know if you mentioned it but what motherboard are you using?
    >
    > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:45:00 -0800, Filipe
    > <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again.
    > >Here is my DirectX Display:
    > >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/286...displaypd5.jpg
    > >
    > >Yes. I did add an extra 512 DDR400 when i installed Vista...
    > >I turn the AI Overclocking to manual and the memory fields appear. I just
    > >turn memory frequency to 400mhz. After doing that, CPU-Z gave me the follow:
    > >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/539...ryafterpd6.jpg
    > >
    > >&CPU
    > >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/443...puafteron4.jpg
    > >
    > >But besides, i ran another benchmark of doom after this and it gave me FPS =
    > >7.8 :'(
    > >
    > >One apart thing, whenever i open the Control Panel, the windows gives me a
    > >"windows explorer error" and closes, do you have any idea why? This gave me
    > >before i did this changes.
    > >
    > >What do you think Dale?

    >


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  9. #29


    Dale M. White Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    If you look at you memory screen it says your memory is running in Single
    channel versus Dual channel.That will be a performance hit, though I
    wouldn't think it would be a massive one. I'd say, take out the extra 2
    sticks of memory and then run the Doom3 benchmarks again, also check the
    CPU-Z to make sure channels says Dual.


    "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:2E6B0245-DDFB-4FED-ACB9-BFFE435D692F@microsoft.com...
    > I'm using ASUS P4P800, that has the Ai overclocking feature.
    >
    > "Bill Davis Jr" wrote:
    >
    >> I do not know if you mentioned it but what motherboard are you using?
    >>
    >> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:45:00 -0800, Filipe
    >> <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again.
    >> >Here is my DirectX Display:
    >> >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/286...displaypd5.jpg
    >> >
    >> >Yes. I did add an extra 512 DDR400 when i installed Vista...
    >> >I turn the AI Overclocking to manual and the memory fields appear. I
    >> >just
    >> >turn memory frequency to 400mhz. After doing that, CPU-Z gave me the
    >> >follow:
    >> >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/539...ryafterpd6.jpg
    >> >
    >> >&CPU
    >> >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/443...puafteron4.jpg
    >> >
    >> >But besides, i ran another benchmark of doom after this and it gave me
    >> >FPS =
    >> >7.8 :'(
    >> >
    >> >One apart thing, whenever i open the Control Panel, the windows gives me
    >> >a
    >> >"windows explorer error" and closes, do you have any idea why? This gave
    >> >me
    >> >before i did this changes.
    >> >
    >> >What do you think Dale?

    >>




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  10. #30


    Filipe Guest

    Re: ATI 7.2 drivers are released

    yeah, i notice the single channel :\
    Ok, i've take out 2 of the sticks and let it be 1024mb. CPU-Z still tells me
    Single Channel and frequency of 199mhz.
    I ran Doom3 and had 7 FPS

    How do i put it in Dual Channel?
    And do you think that the memory is the cause of the very low FPS at Doom3?

    I'm getting very sad and frustrated

    "Dale M. White" wrote:
    > If you look at you memory screen it says your memory is running in Single
    > channel versus Dual channel.That will be a performance hit, though I
    > wouldn't think it would be a massive one. I'd say, take out the extra 2
    > sticks of memory and then run the Doom3 benchmarks again, also check the
    > CPU-Z to make sure channels says Dual.
    >
    >
    > "Filipe" <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:2E6B0245-DDFB-4FED-ACB9-BFFE435D692F@microsoft.com...
    > > I'm using ASUS P4P800, that has the Ai overclocking feature.
    > >
    > > "Bill Davis Jr" wrote:
    > >
    > >> I do not know if you mentioned it but what motherboard are you using?
    > >>
    > >> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:45:00 -0800, Filipe
    > >> <Filipe@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Yes i think i have the chipset drivers, i tryed to update again.
    > >> >Here is my DirectX Display:
    > >> >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/286...displaypd5.jpg
    > >> >
    > >> >Yes. I did add an extra 512 DDR400 when i installed Vista...
    > >> >I turn the AI Overclocking to manual and the memory fields appear. I
    > >> >just
    > >> >turn memory frequency to 400mhz. After doing that, CPU-Z gave me the
    > >> >follow:
    > >> >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/539...ryafterpd6.jpg
    > >> >
    > >> >&CPU
    > >> >http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/443...puafteron4.jpg
    > >> >
    > >> >But besides, i ran another benchmark of doom after this and it gave me
    > >> >FPS =
    > >> >7.8 :'(
    > >> >
    > >> >One apart thing, whenever i open the Control Panel, the windows gives me
    > >> >a
    > >> >"windows explorer error" and closes, do you have any idea why? This gave
    > >> >me
    > >> >before i did this changes.
    > >> >
    > >> >What do you think Dale?
    > >>

    >
    >
    >


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