Vista - Back to XP - thank heavens for backups

Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with. The
final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and pulled out
my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About 5 minutes to boot
up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to do the same. Just had
enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly of the opinion that
Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year old machines with 512MB to
develop on, that way they'd soon learn how to write a fast o/s

Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux (and I
make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot faster, (and
Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you have anything slightly
esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a degree in geekness to get it
working (if you are lucky - I never did).

Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it, which
is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward to seeing XP
so much before.

Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it is
impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.


--
John Blessing

http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
businesses
http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment bookings
for your meeting/class over the web.
http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook, find/replace,
send newsletters

Yeah, but if everything were written to run on old hardware, we'd all still
be using DOS.


"John Blessing" <blessij@**REMOVE**THIS**gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with. The
> final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and pulled
> out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About 5 minutes
> to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to do the same.
> Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly of the opinion
> that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year old machines with
> 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how to write a fast o/s
>
> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux (and
> I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot faster,
> (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you have anything
> slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a degree in geekness
> to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>
> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it, which
> is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward to seeing
> XP so much before.
>
> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it is
> impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>
>
> --
> John Blessing
>
> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
> businesses
> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment bookings
> for your meeting/class over the web.
> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
> find/replace, send newsletters
>
>

Hello John...

>I am firmly of the opinion that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2
>year old machines with 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how
>to write a fast o/s

This is very true! They probably have the most high end computers at the
time...
and that makes them write sloppy code....
Its a waste of CPU power .. but sloppy code is faster for them and they dont
care...

there was a time when programmers could write DIRECTLY into machine language
so that they could get the most out of the little ram they had.
You see some programs that are brilliant, like utorrent that is only 150k
yet it does what other programs 10 or 20 times that size do.... its faster
and better...

The MS programmers need to be retrained from scratch... to THINK before
they make monsters like vista.... 15 gb installations.. lol its crazy!



"John Blessing" <blessij@**REMOVE**THIS**gmail.com> wrote in message
news:970Gh.41125$wP3.1112@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with. The
> final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and pulled
> out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About 5 minutes
> to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to do the same.
> Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly of the opinion
> that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year old machines with
> 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how to write a fast o/s
>
> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux (and
> I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot faster,
> (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you have anything
> slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a degree in geekness
> to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>
> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it, which
> is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward to seeing
> XP so much before.
>
> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it is
> impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>
>
> --
> John Blessing
>
> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
> businesses
> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment bookings
> for your meeting/class over the web.
> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
> find/replace, send newsletters
>
>

Hello John,

Instead of writing, that VISTA is the reason, you should try to find the
REAL problem why it does not work like you aspect.
It's easy to blame it on someone, in your case Microsoft.

I use it since weeks without any problem with Office 2007.

Best regards

Myweb
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.

> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with.
> The final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and
> pulled out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About
> 5 minutes to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to
> do the same. Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly
> of the opinion that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year
> old machines with 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how
> to write a fast o/s
>
> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux
> (and I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot
> faster, (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you
> have anything slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a
> degree in geekness to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>
> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it,
> which is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward
> to seeing XP so much before.
>
> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it
> is impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>
> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
> businesses
> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment
> bookings
> for your meeting/class over the web.
> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
> find/replace,
> send newsletters

You miss the point...

things should work by default and be streamlined and efficient... not
needing
for the user to FIND THE REAL PROBLEM!

Its the complexity, bloat and bad design that creates all the chaos...

I would like to see MS word as ONE firkin .exe that could be used as a
standalone application and that is less than 10 mb....

It can be done.. they don't do it for other reasons....
and I can assure you.. they are not thinking about YOUR benefit

"Myweb" <meiweb@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ff16fb66dcee8c92b2df87456d0@msnews.microsoft.com...
> Hello John,
>
> Instead of writing, that VISTA is the reason, you should try to find the
> REAL problem why it does not work like you aspect.
> It's easy to blame it on someone, in your case Microsoft.
>
> I use it since weeks without any problem with Office 2007.
>
> Best regards
>
> Myweb
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>
>> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with.
>> The final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and
>> pulled out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About
>> 5 minutes to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to
>> do the same. Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly
>> of the opinion that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year
>> old machines with 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how
>> to write a fast o/s
>>
>> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux
>> (and I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot
>> faster, (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you
>> have anything slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a
>> degree in geekness to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>>
>> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it,
>> which is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward
>> to seeing XP so much before.
>>
>> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it
>> is impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>>
>> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
>> businesses
>> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment
>> bookings
>> for your meeting/class over the web.
>> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
>> find/replace,
>> send newsletters
>
>

Hello Nick,

Their was no statement about the real configuration or to find out what happens
before the slow login start. If the software or hardware reseller are NOT
ready for VISTA it's not a Microsoft problem. And for sure, YOU know that
in the beginning of new OS a lot of RESELLERS are not compatible. It's not
always Microsoft. And by the way:


WHY DID YOU BUY IT????????????????????????


Best regards

Myweb
Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
no rights.

> You miss the point...
>
> things should work by default and be streamlined and efficient... not
> needing
> for the user to FIND THE REAL PROBLEM!
> Its the complexity, bloat and bad design that creates all the chaos...
>
> I would like to see MS word as ONE firkin .exe that could be used as a
> standalone application and that is less than 10 mb....
>
> It can be done.. they don't do it for other reasons.... and I can
> assure you.. they are not thinking about YOUR benefit
>
> "Myweb" <meiweb@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:ff16fb66dcee8c92b2df87456d0@msnews.microsoft.com...
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> Instead of writing, that VISTA is the reason, you should try to find
>> the
>> REAL problem why it does not work like you aspect.
>> It's easy to blame it on someone, in your case Microsoft.
>> I use it since weeks without any problem with Office 2007.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Myweb
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers no rights.
>>> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering
>>> with. The final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10
>>> minutes and pulled out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with
>>> 1.25Gb. About 5 minutes to boot up, then nearly the same again for
>>> Outlook 2007 to do the same. Just had enough time to shut it down
>>> again. I am firmly of the opinion that Microsoft programmers should
>>> all be given 2 year old machines with 512MB to develop on, that way
>>> they'd soon learn how to write a fast o/s
>>>
>>> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux
>>> (and I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot
>>> faster, (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you
>>> have anything slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need
>>> a degree in geekness to get it working (if you are lucky - I never
>>> did).
>>>
>>> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it,
>>> which is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward
>>> to seeing XP so much before.
>>>
>>> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it
>>> is impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>>>
>>> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
>>> businesses
>>> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment
>>> bookings
>>> for your meeting/class over the web.
>>> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
>>> find/replace,
>>> send newsletters

The thing about making developers write on old equipment would be a very bad
idea. Software evolves because hardware evolves, and prices go down.

Software needs to be written to leverage current and future technologies and
hardware costs. Every 10 years or so we need a major shift away from the
old. In the 80's and 90's it was the shift from DOS to Windows. Now it's the
shift to Vista. And it will be just as painful as the shift from DOS to
Windows.

Plus, there's no rule that says you must upgrade. You could use current
hardware, XP, or your current version of Linux or Mac OS for the rest of
your life. No rule against that.



"John Blessing" <blessij@**REMOVE**THIS**gmail.com> wrote in message
news:970Gh.41125$wP3.1112@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with. The
> final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and pulled
> out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About 5 minutes
> to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to do the same.
> Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly of the opinion
> that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year old machines with
> 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how to write a fast o/s
>
> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux (and
> I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot faster,
> (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you have anything
> slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a degree in geekness
> to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>
> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it, which
> is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward to seeing
> XP so much before.
>
> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it is
> impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>
>
> --
> John Blessing
>
> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
> businesses
> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment bookings
> for your meeting/class over the web.
> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
> find/replace, send newsletters
>
>

I would love to love Vista, really, I would, I just think that from a
business perspective it is going to cause way more problems than e.g. when
XP was introduced.

Business users don't care about transparent window borders.

Of course I understand that this newsgroup is divided into 2 camps - the
"I hate vista" and the "i love vista", and neither seems able to see that
there is some merit in both groups' arguments.

I would be most interested in hearing from business users and whether they
feel that Vista will cause more problems than it solves. Anyone looked at
this **objectively** from a business point of view?

--
John Blessing


"Nita Klew" <nereply@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> The thing about making developers write on old equipment would be a very
> bad idea. Software evolves because hardware evolves, and prices go down.
>
> Software needs to be written to leverage current and future technologies
> and hardware costs. Every 10 years or so we need a major shift away from
> the old. In the 80's and 90's it was the shift from DOS to Windows. Now
> it's the shift to Vista. And it will be just as painful as the shift from
> DOS to Windows.
>
> Plus, there's no rule that says you must upgrade. You could use current
> hardware, XP, or your current version of Linux or Mac OS for the rest of
> your life. No rule against that.
>
>
>
> "John Blessing" <blessij@**REMOVE**THIS**gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:970Gh.41125$wP3.1112@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with.
>> The final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and
>> pulled out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About 5
>> minutes to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to do the
>> same. Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly of the
>> opinion that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year old
>> machines with 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how to
>> write a fast o/s
>>
>> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux (and
>> I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot faster,
>> (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you have anything
>> slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a degree in
>> geekness to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>>
>> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it,
>> which is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward to
>> seeing XP so much before.
>>
>> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it is
>> impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Blessing
>>
>> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
>> businesses
>> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment
>> bookings for your meeting/class over the web.
>> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
>> find/replace, send newsletters
>>
>>
>
>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 23:12:32 +0200, "nick" <1@1.1> wrote:

>You miss the point...
>
>things should work by default and be streamlined and efficient... not
>needing for the user to FIND THE REAL PROBLEM!
>
>Its the complexity, bloat and bad design that creates all the chaos...

Its the Microsoft way. Their programmers, oops software engineers, as
they loved to be called now, must get paid by the byte.

There is a catch...

evolution should be due to increased capability functionality and features.

Vista has VERY little to offer more than XP...
On the other hand it has huge bloat for no REAL reason....

the real reason is to ARTIFICIALLY create new sales, for hardware and
software..
COME ON BE HONEST.... vista is not eventhe shadow of what we could have 5
years after XP.

You are wrong mister... Give me longhorn as it should have been
then I will say ok. You give me vista that is a pile of crap and you
dumb that as future technology....




"Nita Klew" <nereply@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:uqnHKQRXHHA.5068@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The thing about making developers write on old equipment would be a very
> bad idea. Software evolves because hardware evolves, and prices go down.
>
> Software needs to be written to leverage current and future technologies
> and hardware costs. Every 10 years or so we need a major shift away from
> the old. In the 80's and 90's it was the shift from DOS to Windows. Now
> it's the shift to Vista. And it will be just as painful as the shift from
> DOS to Windows.
>
> Plus, there's no rule that says you must upgrade. You could use current
> hardware, XP, or your current version of Linux or Mac OS for the rest of
> your life. No rule against that.
>
>
>
> "John Blessing" <blessij@**REMOVE**THIS**gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:970Gh.41125$wP3.1112@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> Ok, I gave Vista a good try, but it just isn't worth persevering with.
>> The final straw was this afternoon when I had a spare 10 minutes and
>> pulled out my relatively new Dual core samsung-q35 with 1.25Gb. About 5
>> minutes to boot up, then nearly the same again for Outlook 2007 to do the
>> same. Just had enough time to shut it down again. I am firmly of the
>> opinion that Microsoft programmers should all be given 2 year old
>> machines with 512MB to develop on, that way they'd soon learn how to
>> write a fast o/s
>>
>> Vista is the operating system that finally drove me to look at Linux (and
>> I make my living from Windows software). Linux really is a lot faster,
>> (and Beryl is way flashier than crappy flip3d) but if you have anything
>> slightly esoteric (like a 3g datacard) then you need a degree in
>> geekness to get it working (if you are lucky - I never did).
>>
>> Thankfully I have an image backup of my laptop when it had XP on it,
>> which is restoring as I type. Can't say I have ever looked forward to
>> seeing XP so much before.
>>
>> Vista will stay as a virtual PC for testing purposes, but for me, it is
>> impossible to live with on a day-to-day basis.
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Blessing
>>
>> http://www.LbeHelpdesk.com - Help Desk software priced to suit all
>> businesses
>> http://www.room-booking-software.com - Schedule rooms & equipment
>> bookings for your meeting/class over the web.
>> http://www.lbetoolbox.com - Remove Duplicates from MS Outlook,
>> find/replace, send newsletters
>>
>>
>
>