Vista - A questions about this grouse against Vista

Hello,
sorry for this stupid comment, but is this grouse against vista not a
general problem with nearly all MS products?
For me the problems with Vista goes some steps deeper, I notice this on
nearly all live webservices, other MS products and now Vista too. Some MS
products have a very long beta period, MS ask for bugs and ideas from the
users, but in nearly all cases I see no response.

I have not use the beta version from Vista (My old PC was to small), but I
guess this UAC was implement in this betas too, and in this nearly one year
no users grouse against this UAC or other strange things in Vista? I am very
surprised at this part of the game, and I notice the same thing on other MS
products too, this bring me to the following thoughts:
1) MS ask just for entertainment the users for some whishes, but always
ignore them
2) Only feature request from experts are welcome, but not from "normal"
users
3) The users who grouse against MS products, or some parts of it, are less
than 5% and 95% are happy with it.
4) ????

I am relly not sure waht I should think about all of them.

regards
Peter

Peter

Of course people groused about it.. for those who like it and feel that they
get added protection, it can be left running.. for those who don't like it,
it can be turned off..

Microsoft gives the option of yes or no.. is that not listening to the
people?


"Peter Flindt" <wayne-interessierts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C2EBB1E2-0ACE-4C9C-91C1-ACC98E362291@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
> sorry for this stupid comment, but is this grouse against vista not a
> general problem with nearly all MS products?
> For me the problems with Vista goes some steps deeper, I notice this on
> nearly all live webservices, other MS products and now Vista too. Some MS
> products have a very long beta period, MS ask for bugs and ideas from the
> users, but in nearly all cases I see no response.
>
> I have not use the beta version from Vista (My old PC was to small), but I
> guess this UAC was implement in this betas too, and in this nearly one
> year no users grouse against this UAC or other strange things in Vista? I
> am very surprised at this part of the game, and I notice the same thing on
> other MS products too, this bring me to the following thoughts:
> 1) MS ask just for entertainment the users for some whishes, but always
> ignore them
> 2) Only feature request from experts are welcome, but not from "normal"
> users
> 3) The users who grouse against MS products, or some parts of it, are less
> than 5% and 95% are happy with it.
> 4) ????
>
> I am relly not sure waht I should think about all of them.
>
> regards
> Peter

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

People complained but Microsoft held fast. It is the way THEY (Microsoft)
wanted the security to be, for better or worse end results! Time will tell.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Peter Flindt" <wayne-interessierts@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:C2EBB1E2-0ACE-4C9C-91C1-ACC98E362291@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
> sorry for this stupid comment, but is this grouse against vista not a
> general problem with nearly all MS products?
> For me the problems with Vista goes some steps deeper, I notice this on
> nearly all live webservices, other MS products and now Vista too. Some MS
> products have a very long beta period, MS ask for bugs and ideas from the
> users, but in nearly all cases I see no response.
>
> I have not use the beta version from Vista (My old PC was to small), but I
> guess this UAC was implement in this betas too, and in this nearly one
> year no users grouse against this UAC or other strange things in Vista? I
> am very surprised at this part of the game, and I notice the same thing on
> other MS products too, this bring me to the following thoughts:
> 1) MS ask just for entertainment the users for some whishes, but always
> ignore them
> 2) Only feature request from experts are welcome, but not from "normal"
> users
> 3) The users who grouse against MS products, or some parts of it, are less
> than 5% and 95% are happy with it.
> 4) ????
>
> I am relly not sure waht I should think about all of them.
>
> regards
> Peter

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:57:52 -0500, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
<mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:

>Peter
>
>Of course people groused about it.. for those who like it and feel that they
>get added protection, it can be left running.. for those who don't like it,
>it can be turned off..
>
>Microsoft gives the option of yes or no.. is that not listening to the
>people?

Geez Mike, get up to speed. It isn't that you can turn off UAC, rather
it is it DOESN'T WORK as advertised when turned on all too often. Pull
your head out of the sand and stop blindly defending Microsoft
mistakes, that isn't a requirement to be a MVP.

In what way does it "not work" when turned on?


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:c9hou2huinpnesneqd3mhe15ar0dkpejif@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:57:52 -0500, "Mike Hall - MS MVP"
> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>>Peter
>>
>>Of course people groused about it.. for those who like it and feel that
>>they
>>get added protection, it can be left running.. for those who don't like
>>it,
>>it can be turned off..
>>
>>Microsoft gives the option of yes or no.. is that not listening to the
>>people?
>
> Geez Mike, get up to speed. It isn't that you can turn off UAC, rather
> it is it DOESN'T WORK as advertised when turned on all too often. Pull
> your head out of the sand and stop blindly defending Microsoft
> mistakes, that isn't a requirement to be a MVP.
>
>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:10:07 -0500, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>People complained but Microsoft held fast. It is the way THEY (Microsoft)
>wanted the security to be, for better or worse end results! Time will tell.

You just make stuff up as you go along?

Microsoft ALREADY has drastically cut back on their UAC implementation
because so many beta testers were screaming bloody murder how it
originally was configured according to countless articles I've already
read about it. I can only guess how bad it was at first, since I
wasn't a beta tester and I didn't bother to download a public beta. I
can only attest to how BAD it STILL is in the released retail version.

The point that zooms over the head of so many isn't that UAC isn't a
good idea or a step in the right direction to start bringing basic
security to a OS laughed at for years for all the easy holes any
hacker could exploit, rather people are PISSED OFF how UAC is
presently implemented where it can be more of nag endlessly bitching
about things that are false warnings. Microsoft knows better, or
should.

One thing I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't done is use a "rules list"
approach that's fairly common to firewall applications where the first
time you do something suspect it pops a warning, then allows you the
user to set "rules" how it responds or don't, the next time you do the
same thing. I would have expected that UAC had some basic AI,
obviously it doesn't. Yet.

On Mar 5, 10:38 am, "Peter Flindt" <wayne-interessie...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
> sorry for this stupid comment, but is this grouse against vista not a
> general problem with nearly all MS products?
> For me the problems with Vista goes some steps deeper, I notice this on
> nearly all live webservices, other MS products and now Vista too. Some MS
> products have a very long beta period, MS ask for bugs and ideas from the
> users, but in nearly all cases I see no response.
>
> I have not use the beta version from Vista (My old PC was to small), but I
> guess this UAC was implement in this betas too, and in this nearly one year
> no users grouse against this UAC or other strange things in Vista? I am very
> surprised at this part of the game, and I notice the same thing on other MS
> products too, this bring me to the following thoughts:
> 1) MS ask just for entertainment the users for some whishes, but always
> ignore them
> 2) Only feature request from experts are welcome, but not from "normal"
> users
> 3) The users who grouse against MS products, or some parts of it, are less
> than 5% and 95% are happy with it.
> 4) ????
>
> I am relly not sure waht I should think about all of them.
>
> regards
> Peter


Of course it is!

Many of the people posting so called problems with Vista are really in
fact LINUX CRACKPOTS who for some reason have been
spewing the groups lately with all kinds of "Vista doesn't work"
messages.

These Linux users are like an army of sad sack, Moonies who believe
that if they don't convert Windows users to Linux they won't inherit
the kernel or something.

All you have to do is take a look over in comp.os.linux.advocacy to
see their master plan in action.
How much Linux advocacy do you really see over there?

Very little compared to the number anti Microsoft topics.

There is one crackpot over there, Roy Schestowitz, who is on a one
person crusade against anything Microsoft.
He spams the group every single day with hundreds of off topic
Microsoft hate messages.
And then he has his buddies, Mark Kent, William Poaster and Roy Culley
(who nym shifts to Robert Parsonage) back up his
posts with support.
That bunch along with a couple of other brainless lackies, B Gruff,
Homer and 7 (who is so weird we can't even figure him out)
are wreaking havoc via an organized campagian against Microsoft.

So next time you read a post about someone with a Vista problem,
understand that the chances are decent that it might have been
a made up story written by a Linux crackpot from
comp.os.linux.advocacy.

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 01:42:21 +0900, "Geta Klew" <NoSpam@NoThanks.com>
wrote:

>In what way does it "not work" when turned on?

How many more times do I have to repeat myself?

Read SLOWLY.

1. I did an install in place due to the volume of files I have.
2. Many files (several thousand) were "owned" by some application.
3. That "user" was given "special" permissions by Vista's UAC.
4. When I attempt to take over ownership to edit, UAC refuses.
5. I only see grayed out options, or just blank white space.

So without turning off UAC on these problem files I can't do
rudimentary things like copy, rename, move or delete.

Understand yet?

On Monday 05 March 2007 16:45 karen.bullfinch@yahoo.com wrote:

> So next time you read a post about someone with a Vista problem,
> understand that the chances are decent that it might have been
> a made up story written by a Linux crackpot from
> comp.os.linux.advocacy.

Actually, next time you see a troll post such as the above, bear in mind
that "karen.bullfinch" has also recently cross-posted his troll postings
under the following nyms:-

Abbie Diaz, Aftab Singh, Allen Cusimano, Allie Perkins, Allison Juergans,
allison_hunt1969, Alicia Hunt, Ana Thema, Anna Banger, anonymous, Archie,
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy karen.bullfinch@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 5, 10:38 am, "Peter Flindt" <wayne-interessie...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> sorry for this stupid comment, but is this grouse against vista not a
>> general problem with nearly all MS products?
>> For me the problems with Vista goes some steps deeper, I notice this on
>> nearly all live webservices, other MS products and now Vista too. Some MS
>> products have a very long beta period, MS ask for bugs and ideas from the
>> users, but in nearly all cases I see no response.
>>
>> I have not use the beta version from Vista (My old PC was to small), but I
>> guess this UAC was implement in this betas too, and in this nearly one year
>> no users grouse against this UAC or other strange things in Vista? I am very
>> surprised at this part of the game, and I notice the same thing on other MS
>> products too, this bring me to the following thoughts:
>> 1) MS ask just for entertainment the users for some whishes, but always
>> ignore them
>> 2) Only feature request from experts are welcome, but not from "normal"
>> users
>> 3) The users who grouse against MS products, or some parts of it, are less
>> than 5% and 95% are happy with it.
>> 4) ????
>>
>> I am relly not sure waht I should think about all of them.
>>
>> regards
>> Peter
>
>
> Of course it is!
>
> Many of the people posting so called problems with Vista are really in
> fact LINUX CRACKPOTS who for some reason have been
> spewing the groups lately with all kinds of "Vista doesn't work"
> messages.
>
> These Linux users are like an army of sad sack, Moonies who believe
> that if they don't convert Windows users to Linux they won't inherit
> the kernel or something.
>
> All you have to do is take a look over in comp.os.linux.advocacy to
> see their master plan in action.
> How much Linux advocacy do you really see over there?
>
> Very little compared to the number anti Microsoft topics.
>
> There is one crackpot over there, Roy Schestowitz, who is on a one
> person crusade against anything Microsoft.
> He spams the group every single day with hundreds of off topic
> Microsoft hate messages.
> And then he has his buddies, Mark Kent, William Poaster and Roy Culley
> (who nym shifts to Robert Parsonage) back up his
> posts with support.
> That bunch along with a couple of other brainless lackies, B Gruff,
> Homer and 7 (who is so weird we can't even figure him out)
> are wreaking havoc via an organized campagian against Microsoft.
>
> So next time you read a post about someone with a Vista problem,
> understand that the chances are decent that it might have been
> a made up story written by a Linux crackpot from
> comp.os.linux.advocacy.
>

I'm not a linux user currently, and Vista DOES suck.

However, I still use it.

It's pretty, it seems to be stable, and it's definitely faster than XP on
good hardware. It's too bad nothing useful actually runs on it.




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