Vista - Why My Shop No Longer Sells Linux Systems.

asstroturfer wiltons_pypes@yahoo.com wrote on behalf of micoshaft
corporation:

> R

The trouble with micoshaft employee wiltons_pypes@yahoo.com is that
he has been Pistified by micoshaft and writes like a Pistie
to earn his income from asstroturfing.

As usual Linux is his imagined enemy instead of Pista.
Micoshaft's Pista launch has flopped.
There is no need buy Pista.

You should De-Pistify your PCs as soon as possible.

Vista / Pista who cares?

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Welcome to the Windopz De-Pistification FAQette.

WoW that was a mouthful wasn't it boys and girls?!

Have you De-Pistified your PC?

Let me explain:

You bought vista crap from our sponsor micoshaft corporation
and you realize after hours of reboots and re-installs
that our sponsor micoshaft has taken the piss out of you. So you
decide that this vista Pista is not for you.
Now you want to de-install Pista but expee takes up even
more hours and all your driver
diskettes are mislaid/lost and application cds are fscked
because your dog has been shagging it for some time, etc, etc, etc.
Oh Smuck is me you cry out in vain as your PC craps out on you
leaving you with nothing despite you having paid truck loads of money.

Then light at the end of the tunnel appears in the form
of Linux. Now you get angry and use Linux in anger to recover
you data. RAAAAARRRrrrr... you growl through into the night
recovering data, learning GNU/Linux and by midnight all your
work is done, your computers are working, you learned many
things and Linux with Beryl is the king. You can sleep in peace
knowing Linux is your friend and share your dreams
with others...

*Get*Linux*here...
*http://www.livecdlist.com
*http://www.distrowatch.com

*For*Beryl,*downloaded*latest*beta*release
*of*Ubuntu*(Feisty*Fawn)...
*http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/

*Install*Beryl*using*the*3*click*guide*which*links*from*here...
*http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/I...eryl_on_Ubuntu

*And*so*WoW,*after*3*clicks,*you*have*Beryl*up*and*running*on*your*PC!!!
**
All that remains is now for you to stick the De-Pistification
Inventory label on your PC to complete the job...

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Be sure to come back for more in the next installation
of Micoshaft Pista Removal FAQ and Primer - Edition 22.

On Mar 7, 8:44 am, "Michael Jennings" <metarh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If MS sticks with their "eat it" policy and drives people to alternative
> browsers, newsreaders and office suites, then there would be hope for
> Linux *if* that community were less unwilling to tolerate fools. How could
> they get to be warm, friendly and outgoing instead of cold uber-geeks?
> At least the rep - that would be a miracle. So I seem to agree with you.
>
I think the 'fools' you are referring to are various Wintrolls, MS
astroturfers etc who have no genuine interet in Linux, and this sticks
out a mile in their postings. Hence it is not surprising that they
are not tolerated.

Go to any of many other ng's local Linux users sites, many
'Majordomo' tyre lists etc, and those with a genuine interest in Linux
with a genuine queries receive helpful and informative responses.
This sort of help is even open to IT staffs of Fortune 500 companies
and is very often successful in isolating and solving dfficulties
rapidly, in many cases more rapidly than with propriatory software.

On 2007-03-06, wiltons_pypes@yahoo.com <wiltons_pypes@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have managed to sell several Linux equipped machines to clients I
> have never heard from again so it can be done, but the complaints from
> other clients who purchased Linux machines far outweigh the positive
> experiences.

Here's an idea. First, I'm assuming a small shop, where a Linux PC
would actually cost less to sell than a Windows PC. Basically, I'm
assuming you are small enough that you don't have Symantec or McAffee or
AOL offering to pay you to bundle their software with your Windows
machines.

How about offering Linux PCs, at the same up front price as Windows PCs,
but the customer has the option of any time in the next, say, 60 days,
coming back and saying either:

"I like Linux, I want to keep it!", in which case you then give them
back the price you pay for a Windows license.

or

"I don't want Linux. I want Windows", in which case you give them
the Windows install discs and license (maybe you even let them bring
the PC in, and install Windows, after backing up their home
directory on Linux to a CD-R, and then put OpenOffice for Windows on
the system, so they can read any OpenOffice documents they made
during their Linux trial).

If they don't come back in the 60 days, they default to the first
option, and you mail them the cost of a Windows license.

With this arrangement, they might feel more inclined to overcome any
initial problems they might have to make Linux work for them, because
they will see sticking with Linux as something that gets them money
back, as opposed to the normal way when someone tries a Linux PC, where
they see any Linux problems as something they have to pay more to get
rid of.

In message <esknhm$iv9$01$1@news.t-online.com> Peter Köhlmann
<peter.koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:

>Jeffrey S. Sparks wrote:
>
>> I don't see how MS has an "eat it" policy in regards to browsers,
>> newsreaders, office suites, etc... You have always been able to load any
>> one you want. If you want to run Corel instead of MS Office, go for it.
>> If you want to run Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer then go for it.
>
>Certainly. I am all ears how you explain getting MS updates using Firefox.
>Or Mozilla. Or any other browser, except IE
>
>If you wintendo lusers try to have a point, please: Have at least a very
>tiny one. Not these examples of total, utter incompetence

Well, the WGA plug-in for Firefox comes to mind...
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx

Plus there is the fact that under Vista you don't use IE's interface to
access Windows Update, if you initiate it from within the control panel
you never even see an Internet Explorer window.

But don't let any facts get in the way if your ramblings.
--
Insert something clever here.

And you wonder why people in this newsgroup get irritated with Linux
advocates like you?

Your arrogance and apparent need to be abrasive does the Linux community
no good. Go troll somewhere else!

I don't see this attitude from Windows users in Ubuntu, Fedora, or
linuxformus.org

Thor

Dean G. wrote:
> On Mar 6, 2:15 pm, wiltons_py...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Dell could have saved themselves a lot of money if they had only asked
>> me, or one of my friendly competitiors who run small PC shops and who
>> have been down the Linux road already many times, reaching the same
>> conclusion each time.
>
>
> Why don't you tell us what you "shop" is ? Or is it a complete
> fabrication of a sorry little mind ? I see you mention that it is
> still small, and it seems bound to stay that way with your attitude
> (assuming it exists at all)
>
> Dean G.
>
> Windows - when popularity is more important than competence.
>

"thor" <thor@valhalla.comm> wrote in message
news:u7RTNEEYHHA.3272@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> And you wonder why people in this newsgroup get irritated with Linux
> advocates like you?
>
> Your arrogance and apparent need to be abrasive does the Linux community
> no good. Go troll somewhere else!
>
> I don't see this attitude from Windows users in Ubuntu, Fedora, or
> linuxformus.org
>

Right, we Windows users prefer to stay on our own turf and display this
attitude...

Rudolph Hooker wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Jeffrey S. Sparks wrote:
>>
>>> I don't see how MS has an "eat it" policy in regards to browsers,
>>> newsreaders, office suites, etc... You have always been able to load
>>> any
>>> one you want. If you want to run Corel instead of MS Office, go for it.
>>> If you want to run Mozilla instead of Internet Explorer then go for it.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>> Certainly. I am all ears how you explain getting MS updates using
>> Firefox. Or Mozilla. Or any other browser, except IE
>>
> Easy...
>
> http://windowsupdate.62nds.com/
>
> About WindizUpdate
>
> This free website allows users of Mozilla Firefox 0.9.3, Netscape 4.0,
> Mozilla Firebird 0.7, Opera 5, or K-Meleon 0.9 to keep their copy of
> Windows up-to-date. Newer releases of these browsers are also suitable.
>
>
> Or, just allow auto-update to do its thing.

Just as I guessed. Windows boys are even dumber than bread
Blindly trusting a website to provide "genuine" windows updates

I am certain MS is just happy with this "service"

So, just again: Tell me how to update windows without IE. And *this* time
without the usual completely retarded answers anyone expects from a windows
user
--
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
Let it get in YOUR way. The problem for your problem.

On Tuesday 06 March 2007 22:44 thor wrote:

> And you wonder why people in this newsgroup get irritated with Linux
> advocates like you?
>
> Your arrogance and apparent need to be abrasive does the Linux community
> no good. Go troll somewhere else!
>
> I don't see this attitude from Windows users in Ubuntu, Fedora, or
> linuxformus.org

Excuse me?

Were you addressing this comment to Dean G., who had words to say re. the
original posting, or were you addressing it to the troll "wiltons_pypes",
who made the original posting, and who has cross-posted to these groups
several times under different nyms these past few days?

Welcoming top posting clueless unteachable idiots and assisting,
without trying to correct them, would be a social upheaval. I do
not expect to see such a change occur in Linux attitude.

I did not mean don't drive away gasbags. I meant be helpful,
tolerant and friendly to poor posters' inarticulate questions. If
they want to top post, top post back - quote them fully. You
can't do it, can you? You don't want them, and they know it.

"peterwn" <peterwn@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message news:1173217975.154442.28630@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 7, 8:44 am, "Michael Jennings" <metarh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If MS sticks with their "eat it" policy and drives people to alternative
>> browsers, newsreaders and office suites, then there would be hope for
>> Linux *if* that community were less unwilling to tolerate fools. How could
>> they get to be warm, friendly and outgoing instead of cold uber-geeks?
>> At least the rep - that would be a miracle. So I seem to agree with you.
>>
> I think the 'fools' you are referring to are various Wintrolls, MS
> astroturfers etc who have no genuine interet in Linux, and this sticks
> out a mile in their postings. Hence it is not surprising that they
> are not tolerated.
>
> Go to any of many other ng's local Linux users sites, many
> 'Majordomo' type lists etc, and those with a genuine interest in Linux
> with a genuine queries receive helpful and informative responses.
> This sort of help is even open to IT staffs of Fortune 500 companies
> and is very often successful in isolating and solving difficulties
> rapidly, in many cases more rapidly than with proprietary software.
>

Michael Jennings <metarhyme@gmail.com> espoused:
> Welcoming top posting clueless unteachable idiots and assisting,

Hmm, another troll posting from a Windows machine, using Outlook. Would
you also be trying to start a flamewar, indeed, would you also be the
same Mr pypes?

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