Vista - Gonna go back to XP SP2

I'm completely fed up with getting Vista to work. When I install an OS, I
really don't expect it to stop working every time I want to install/uninstall
something.

This started out as an upgrade until it stopped letting me boot. I decided
to downgrde, and it crashed half way through, because XP doesn't like Vista
files. Because of that, I ended up wiping my drive, and clean installing
Vista (because I had heard clean installs of it worked better than upgrades).
Since then, I've had to use 5 or 6 system restores. Why you ask? The first
few times were because it conflicted with virtual-drive software I had
installed which was vista-compatible. The last few times were just from
trying to uninstall a simple game.

That aside, you guys are making it really hard for the power users out there
to do what they want. with the UAC. Sure, you can disable it, but with that
being done, many pieces of software will not install correctly -- even those
made by Microsoft. Why not have a button, or checkbox or something that
basically says:

"I agree to take full responsibility for my actions. If my PC becomes
infected with spyware/adware/viruses, it is NOT Microsoft's fault. Let me do
what I want, and not have to worry about the UAC protection."

Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)), many programs that
have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run, or a mix
of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the Compatibility
Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.

With that being said and done, all I have to say is thanks for all the
painful time wasted, and most of all, teaching me to keep away from Vista.

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http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

In my experience, Vista is the simplest OS to install I have ever
experienced.

Insert DVD - > answer one or two questions -> make coffee.

Bobby

"Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F4E5E915-FF2E-4148-90F8-582B8372BB72@microsoft.com...
> I'm completely fed up with getting Vista to work. When I install an OS, I
> really don't expect it to stop working every time I want to
> install/uninstall
> something.
>
> This started out as an upgrade until it stopped letting me boot. I decided
> to downgrde, and it crashed half way through, because XP doesn't like
> Vista
> files. Because of that, I ended up wiping my drive, and clean installing
> Vista (because I had heard clean installs of it worked better than
> upgrades).
> Since then, I've had to use 5 or 6 system restores. Why you ask? The first
> few times were because it conflicted with virtual-drive software I had
> installed which was vista-compatible. The last few times were just from
> trying to uninstall a simple game.
>
> That aside, you guys are making it really hard for the power users out
> there
> to do what they want. with the UAC. Sure, you can disable it, but with
> that
> being done, many pieces of software will not install correctly -- even
> those
> made by Microsoft. Why not have a button, or checkbox or something that
> basically says:
>
> "I agree to take full responsibility for my actions. If my PC becomes
> infected with spyware/adware/viruses, it is NOT Microsoft's fault. Let me
> do
> what I want, and not have to worry about the UAC protection."
>
> Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
> though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)), many programs
> that
> have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run, or a
> mix
> of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the Compatibility
> Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.
>
> With that being said and done, all I have to say is thanks for all the
> painful time wasted, and most of all, teaching me to keep away from Vista.
>
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> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
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> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general

I'll buy that....installed Feb 1st..Vista Business full running 2 gigs
ddr400 pny 7900gs vid card twin 160 gig hdd's and lots of games...Thing
screams and HAS no problems ever
"Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
news:uD1ukH2YHHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> In my experience, Vista is the simplest OS to install I have ever
> experienced.
>
> Insert DVD - > answer one or two questions -> make coffee.
>
> Bobby
>
> "Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F4E5E915-FF2E-4148-90F8-582B8372BB72@microsoft.com...
>> I'm completely fed up with getting Vista to work. When I install an OS, I
>> really don't expect it to stop working every time I want to
>> install/uninstall
>> something.
>>
>> This started out as an upgrade until it stopped letting me boot. I
>> decided
>> to downgrde, and it crashed half way through, because XP doesn't like
>> Vista
>> files. Because of that, I ended up wiping my drive, and clean installing
>> Vista (because I had heard clean installs of it worked better than
>> upgrades).
>> Since then, I've had to use 5 or 6 system restores. Why you ask? The
>> first
>> few times were because it conflicted with virtual-drive software I had
>> installed which was vista-compatible. The last few times were just from
>> trying to uninstall a simple game.
>>
>> That aside, you guys are making it really hard for the power users out
>> there
>> to do what they want. with the UAC. Sure, you can disable it, but with
>> that
>> being done, many pieces of software will not install correctly -- even
>> those
>> made by Microsoft. Why not have a button, or checkbox or something that
>> basically says:
>>
>> "I agree to take full responsibility for my actions. If my PC becomes
>> infected with spyware/adware/viruses, it is NOT Microsoft's fault. Let me
>> do
>> what I want, and not have to worry about the UAC protection."
>>
>> Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
>> though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)), many programs
>> that
>> have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run, or a
>> mix
>> of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the Compatibility
>> Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.
>>
>> With that being said and done, all I have to say is thanks for all the
>> painful time wasted, and most of all, teaching me to keep away from
>> Vista.
>>
>> ----------------
>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> "I
>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> this
>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> then
>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>
>> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>

Hm. That's interesting, because installed Ultimate earlier this week. 1 GB
DDR 500, ATI Radion 9800 video card, 80 GB, 200 GB, and 300 GB HDs. I agree
about it screaming -- but only in pain.

If you guys can tell me how you get it running so well, I'm all ears; I
won't actually be in town again until tomorrow, so Vista's gonna stay on untl
I get back at the earliest.

"Drew" wrote:

> I'll buy that....installed Feb 1st..Vista Business full running 2 gigs
> ddr400 pny 7900gs vid card twin 160 gig hdd's and lots of games...Thing
> screams and HAS no problems ever
> "Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
> news:uD1ukH2YHHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > In my experience, Vista is the simplest OS to install I have ever
> > experienced.
> >
> > Insert DVD - > answer one or two questions -> make coffee.
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> > "Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:F4E5E915-FF2E-4148-90F8-582B8372BB72@microsoft.com...
> >> I'm completely fed up with getting Vista to work. When I install an OS, I
> >> really don't expect it to stop working every time I want to
> >> install/uninstall
> >> something.
> >>
> >> This started out as an upgrade until it stopped letting me boot. I
> >> decided
> >> to downgrde, and it crashed half way through, because XP doesn't like
> >> Vista
> >> files. Because of that, I ended up wiping my drive, and clean installing
> >> Vista (because I had heard clean installs of it worked better than
> >> upgrades).
> >> Since then, I've had to use 5 or 6 system restores. Why you ask? The
> >> first
> >> few times were because it conflicted with virtual-drive software I had
> >> installed which was vista-compatible. The last few times were just from
> >> trying to uninstall a simple game.
> >>
> >> That aside, you guys are making it really hard for the power users out
> >> there
> >> to do what they want. with the UAC. Sure, you can disable it, but with
> >> that
> >> being done, many pieces of software will not install correctly -- even
> >> those
> >> made by Microsoft. Why not have a button, or checkbox or something that
> >> basically says:
> >>
> >> "I agree to take full responsibility for my actions. If my PC becomes
> >> infected with spyware/adware/viruses, it is NOT Microsoft's fault. Let me
> >> do
> >> what I want, and not have to worry about the UAC protection."
> >>
> >> Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
> >> though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)), many programs
> >> that
> >> have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run, or a
> >> mix
> >> of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the Compatibility
> >> Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.
> >>
> >> With that being said and done, all I have to say is thanks for all the
> >> painful time wasted, and most of all, teaching me to keep away from
> >> Vista.
> >>
> >> ----------------
> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> "I
> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> this
> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> then
> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >>
> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
> >
>

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:05:03 -0800, Hssarth
<Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
>though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)),

Be aware, that when you run as administrator, you are really not the
REAL administrator. The normal administrator account does not have
administrator rights unless some process asks for and are granted
administrator rights.

To run as the TRUE and unrestricted ADMINISTRATOR, you have to enable
that account (secpol.msc / local policies). The account is per default
disabled, and only accessible in safe mode.

But then all bets are of...... YOU are the only safeguard :=)

> many programs that
>have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run, or a mix
>of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the Compatibility
>Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.

I think you are mixing compability and UAC up.

Given you have no HW issues, (could sound like it), a Vista
'certified' application should install correctly with UAC on or off.


Regards

"Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4B4E2B9B-0474-4F0D-8285-656D75A27F7A@microsoft.com...
> Hm. That's interesting, because installed Ultimate earlier this week. 1
> GB
> DDR 500, ATI Radion 9800 video card, 80 GB, 200 GB, and 300 GB HDs. I
> agree
> about it screaming -- but only in pain.
>
> If you guys can tell me how you get it running so well, I'm all ears; I
> won't actually be in town again until tomorrow, so Vista's gonna stay on
> untl
> I get back at the earliest.

One thing, leave it running for a few days until the Search Index is
finished, after that performance increases dramatically.

Unfortunately many things are not Vista compatible yet. It totally depends
on how you use the computer. Mine choked on a 3500+ and DDR400 memory while
doing great with a 5200+ and DDR2 800. Still some programs I would like to
be using but not crucial for me. I like Vista and NOW it is a good (still
not great) experience.


"Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4B4E2B9B-0474-4F0D-8285-656D75A27F7A@microsoft.com...
> Hm. That's interesting, because installed Ultimate earlier this week. 1
> GB
> DDR 500, ATI Radion 9800 video card, 80 GB, 200 GB, and 300 GB HDs. I
> agree
> about it screaming -- but only in pain.
>
> If you guys can tell me how you get it running so well, I'm all ears; I
> won't actually be in town again until tomorrow, so Vista's gonna stay on
> untl
> I get back at the earliest.
>
> "Drew" wrote:
>
>> I'll buy that....installed Feb 1st..Vista Business full running 2 gigs
>> ddr400 pny 7900gs vid card twin 160 gig hdd's and lots of games...Thing
>> screams and HAS no problems ever
>> "Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
>> news:uD1ukH2YHHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > In my experience, Vista is the simplest OS to install I have ever
>> > experienced.
>> >
>> > Insert DVD - > answer one or two questions -> make coffee.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > "Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:F4E5E915-FF2E-4148-90F8-582B8372BB72@microsoft.com...
>> >> I'm completely fed up with getting Vista to work. When I install an
>> >> OS, I
>> >> really don't expect it to stop working every time I want to
>> >> install/uninstall
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> This started out as an upgrade until it stopped letting me boot. I
>> >> decided
>> >> to downgrde, and it crashed half way through, because XP doesn't like
>> >> Vista
>> >> files. Because of that, I ended up wiping my drive, and clean
>> >> installing
>> >> Vista (because I had heard clean installs of it worked better than
>> >> upgrades).
>> >> Since then, I've had to use 5 or 6 system restores. Why you ask? The
>> >> first
>> >> few times were because it conflicted with virtual-drive software I had
>> >> installed which was vista-compatible. The last few times were just
>> >> from
>> >> trying to uninstall a simple game.
>> >>
>> >> That aside, you guys are making it really hard for the power users out
>> >> there
>> >> to do what they want. with the UAC. Sure, you can disable it, but with
>> >> that
>> >> being done, many pieces of software will not install correctly -- even
>> >> those
>> >> made by Microsoft. Why not have a button, or checkbox or something
>> >> that
>> >> basically says:
>> >>
>> >> "I agree to take full responsibility for my actions. If my PC becomes
>> >> infected with spyware/adware/viruses, it is NOT Microsoft's fault. Let
>> >> me
>> >> do
>> >> what I want, and not have to worry about the UAC protection."
>> >>
>> >> Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
>> >> though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)), many
>> >> programs
>> >> that
>> >> have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run,
>> >> or a
>> >> mix
>> >> of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the
>> >> Compatibility
>> >> Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.
>> >>
>> >> With that being said and done, all I have to say is thanks for all the
>> >> painful time wasted, and most of all, teaching me to keep away from
>> >> Vista.
>> >>
>> >> ----------------
>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>> >> the
>> >> "I
>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>> >> follow
>> >> this
>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> >> then
>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >>
>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>> >
>>

A FEW DAYS for the Search Index in Vista to do its job?

Appalling!

DSH
---------------------------------

"Lee" <not@chance.ever> wrote in message
news:OX2efc3YHHA.4552@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4B4E2B9B-0474-4F0D-8285-656D75A27F7A@microsoft.com...
>> Hm. That's interesting, because installed Ultimate earlier this week. 1
>> GB
>> DDR 500, ATI Radion 9800 video card, 80 GB, 200 GB, and 300 GB HDs. I
>> agree
>> about it screaming -- but only in pain.
>>
>> If you guys can tell me how you get it running so well, I'm all ears; I
>> won't actually be in town again until tomorrow, so Vista's gonna stay on
>> untl I get back at the earliest.
>
> One thing, leave it running for a few days until the Search Index is
> finished, after that performance increases dramatically.

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> A FEW DAYS for the Search Index in Vista to do its job?
>
> Appalling!
>
> DSH
> ---------------------------------
>
> "Lee" <not@chance.ever> wrote in message
> news:OX2efc3YHHA.4552@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4B4E2B9B-0474-4F0D-8285-656D75A27F7A@microsoft.com...
>>> Hm. That's interesting, because installed Ultimate earlier this week. 1
>>> GB
>>> DDR 500, ATI Radion 9800 video card, 80 GB, 200 GB, and 300 GB HDs. I
>>> agree
>>> about it screaming -- but only in pain.
>>>
>>> If you guys can tell me how you get it running so well, I'm all ears; I
>>> won't actually be in town again until tomorrow, so Vista's gonna stay on
>>> untl I get back at the earliest.
>> One thing, leave it running for a few days until the Search Index is
>> finished, after that performance increases dramatically.
>
>
This seems to be a common answer to almost all complaints. I can't
imagine that it should take that long. For nearly everyone, it should
not take more than a few hours. And the performance is not that bad
while it is indexing. If there is clear data on this that differs from
this,(not apocryphal) then I am all ears.

You need 2gb of ram to do anything of consequence on Vista.

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:19:00 -0800, Hssarth
<Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hm. That's interesting, because installed Ultimate earlier this week. 1 GB
>DDR 500, ATI Radion 9800 video card, 80 GB, 200 GB, and 300 GB HDs. I agree
>about it screaming -- but only in pain.
>
>If you guys can tell me how you get it running so well, I'm all ears; I
>won't actually be in town again until tomorrow, so Vista's gonna stay on untl
>I get back at the earliest.
>
>"Drew" wrote:
>
>> I'll buy that....installed Feb 1st..Vista Business full running 2 gigs
>> ddr400 pny 7900gs vid card twin 160 gig hdd's and lots of games...Thing
>> screams and HAS no problems ever
>> "Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
>> news:uD1ukH2YHHA.2320@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > In my experience, Vista is the simplest OS to install I have ever
>> > experienced.
>> >
>> > Insert DVD - > answer one or two questions -> make coffee.
>> >
>> > Bobby
>> >
>> > "Hssarth" <Hssarth@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:F4E5E915-FF2E-4148-90F8-582B8372BB72@microsoft.com...
>> >> I'm completely fed up with getting Vista to work. When I install an OS, I
>> >> really don't expect it to stop working every time I want to
>> >> install/uninstall
>> >> something.
>> >>
>> >> This started out as an upgrade until it stopped letting me boot. I
>> >> decided
>> >> to downgrde, and it crashed half way through, because XP doesn't like
>> >> Vista
>> >> files. Because of that, I ended up wiping my drive, and clean installing
>> >> Vista (because I had heard clean installs of it worked better than
>> >> upgrades).
>> >> Since then, I've had to use 5 or 6 system restores. Why you ask? The
>> >> first
>> >> few times were because it conflicted with virtual-drive software I had
>> >> installed which was vista-compatible. The last few times were just from
>> >> trying to uninstall a simple game.
>> >>
>> >> That aside, you guys are making it really hard for the power users out
>> >> there
>> >> to do what they want. with the UAC. Sure, you can disable it, but with
>> >> that
>> >> being done, many pieces of software will not install correctly -- even
>> >> those
>> >> made by Microsoft. Why not have a button, or checkbox or something that
>> >> basically says:
>> >>
>> >> "I agree to take full responsibility for my actions. If my PC becomes
>> >> infected with spyware/adware/viruses, it is NOT Microsoft's fault. Let me
>> >> do
>> >> what I want, and not have to worry about the UAC protection."
>> >>
>> >> Even with the UAC on, and running EVERYTHING as an Administrator (even
>> >> though my account is already an admin (one more pain...)), many programs
>> >> that
>> >> have been vista-certified will crash, run slowly, decide not to run, or a
>> >> mix
>> >> of the three. I have also tried compatibility mode, and the Compatibility
>> >> Manager that you can download, and nothing fixed these issues.
>> >>
>> >> With that being said and done, all I have to say is thanks for all the
>> >> painful time wasted, and most of all, teaching me to keep away from
>> >> Vista.
>> >>
>> >> ----------------
>> >> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> >> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> >> "I
>> >> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> >> this
>> >> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> >> then
>> >> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >>
>> >> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com....vista.general
>> >
>>