Vista - A SAD SAD REALIZATION

ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of vista
came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about the
upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.

That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.

so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards becoming
ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were made
from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator, ohh
and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.

My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a MAC??

Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
or music or ... the list goes on.
Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
the GUI is a distruction.

Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes out..
OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work and
vista for
fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
like I do... about vista's
slowpoke performance...

I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your XP
liscence? Hmmm?




"BarneyH" <BarneyH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:75ED4EBA-D688-4CF8-9E2E-90E31C9FD8B3@microsoft.com...
> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
> know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
> everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
> BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of
> vista
> came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about
> the
> upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.
>
> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
> rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
> sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
> throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
> jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
> about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
> nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.
>
> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
> becoming
> ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were
> made
> from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
> didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
> opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator,
> ohh
> and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
> center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.
>
> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
> questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
> MAC??

No, put xp on. come back to vista in, lets say, 6 months

"BarneyH" <BarneyH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:75ED4EBA-D688-4CF8-9E2E-90E31C9FD8B3@microsoft.com...
> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
> know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
> everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
> BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of
> vista
> came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about
> the
> upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.
>
> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
> rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
> sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
> throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
> jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
> about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
> nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.
>
> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
> becoming
> ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were
> made
> from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
> didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
> opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator,
> ohh
> and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
> center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.
>
> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
> questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
> MAC??

So before you upgraded you did not check if you could get Vista drivers for
you $800 sound card and 2 x $400 graphics cards, and then complain that
Vista does not work on your system. If they are not available then this is
the hardware vendors fault not Microsoft's as is often the case the in box
driver (still provided by the hw vendor) may only provide a limited amount
of functionality if the vendor is producing a more functional one off the
delivery timescale for the OS.
Frankly if you can spend that kind of money on system components one would
have assume that your were technically astute enough to do the bare minimum
research before you upgraded - but I guess not.

--
Mike Brannigan

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:eV34KCcZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
> cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
> or music or ... the list goes on.
> Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
> the GUI is a distruction.
>
> Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes
> out..
> OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work
> and vista for
> fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
> like I do... about vista's
> slowpoke performance...
>
> I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your
> XP liscence? Hmmm?
>

The original posters issues are related to his hardware vendor of choice for
some of his system components (GPU and Sound) not having released fully
functional Windows Vista drivers.
This is not primarily a Windows Vista issue that requires him to wait for
service packs etc, but a hardware vendor one.

--
Mike Brannigan

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:eV34KCcZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
> cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
> or music or ... the list goes on.
> Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
> the GUI is a distruction.
>
> Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes
> out..
> OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work
> and vista for
> fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
> like I do... about vista's
> slowpoke performance...
>
> I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your
> XP liscence? Hmmm?
>
>
>
>
> "BarneyH" <BarneyH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:75ED4EBA-D688-4CF8-9E2E-90E31C9FD8B3@microsoft.com...
>> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year
>> (you
>> know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
>> everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
>> BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of
>> vista
>> came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about
>> the
>> upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.
>>
>> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
>> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as
>> they
>> rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my
>> 800$
>> sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
>> throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows
>> start-up
>> jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
>> about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
>> nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.
>>
>> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
>> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
>> becoming
>> ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were
>> made
>> from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
>> didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program
>> I
>> opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator,
>> ohh
>> and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
>> center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.
>>
>> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
>> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist
>> of
>> questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
>> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
>> MAC??
>
>

Classic response.. its everyone and everything's fault but vistas!

Hey, if it was lack of drivers and incompatibility that we wanted,
we would switch to linux!

Vista should NOT have had so many incompatibility problems,
its firkin NT for crying out loud... XP worked with Win2k Drivers most of
the time (99.9%)

instead of making changes that counted in Vista.. they went ahead and
created a long list of compatibility problems!
They made very little intelligent changes on things that needed fixing..
They did not introduce important features people have requested for ages.
And they totally destroyed the GUI of windows!

Vista is ridiculous!



"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:ADA84E44-945E-4F05-9C30-A9A13BFBBFA2@microsoft.com...
>
> "BarneyH" <BarneyH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:75ED4EBA-D688-4CF8-9E2E-90E31C9FD8B3@microsoft.com...
>> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year
>> (you
>> know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
>> everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
>> BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of
>> vista
>> came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about
>> the
>> upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.
>>
>> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
>> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as
>> they
>> rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my
>> 800$
>> sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
>> throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows
>> start-up
>> jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
>> about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
>> nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.
>>
>> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
>> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
>> becoming
>> ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were
>> made
>> from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
>> didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program
>> I
>> opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator,
>> ohh
>> and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
>> center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.
>>
>> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
>> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist
>> of
>> questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
>> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
>> MAC??
>
> So before you upgraded you did not check if you could get Vista drivers
> for you $800 sound card and 2 x $400 graphics cards, and then complain
> that Vista does not work on your system. If they are not available then
> this is the hardware vendors fault not Microsoft's as is often the case
> the in box driver (still provided by the hw vendor) may only provide a
> limited amount of functionality if the vendor is producing a more
> functional one off the delivery timescale for the OS.
> Frankly if you can spend that kind of money on system components one would
> have assume that your were technically astute enough to do the bare
> minimum research before you upgraded - but I guess not.
>
> --
> Mike Brannigan
>

BarneyH wrote:
> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
> know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
> everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
> BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of vista
> came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about the
> upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.
>
> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
> rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
> sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
> throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
> jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
> about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
> nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.
>
> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards becoming
> ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were made
> from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
> didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
> opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator, ohh
> and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
> center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.
>
> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
> questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a MAC??

Hmm..no image of your drive before upgrading? Acronis True Image put me
back to XP in about 30 minutes. Turned around and loaded the Vista image
and was back to Vista in about 30 minutes. Well worth the $50 IMO.

gls858

> The original posters issues are related to his hardware vendor of choice
> for some of his system components (GPU and Sound) not having released
> fully functional Windows Vista drivers

Oh tell that fairy tale to others who will eat it!

Its vista's problem that is directly connected to decisions in the OS design
that makes it incompatible with XP drivers!

You should be able to use XP drivers with Vista! Just like you could use
Win2k Drivers with XP.

This incompatibility is BY DESIGN. And its done on purpose,
and the reason is to force people to buy new hardware and software..


"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:81565C9A-424F-4589-95A0-09E7FC1E814D@microsoft.com...
> "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:eV34KCcZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
>> cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
>> or music or ... the list goes on.
>> Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
>> the GUI is a distruction.
>>
>> Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes
>> out..
>> OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work
>> and vista for
>> fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
>> like I do... about vista's
>> slowpoke performance...
>>
>> I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your
>> XP liscence? Hmmm?
>>
>
> The original posters issues are related to his hardware vendor of choice
> for some of his system components (GPU and Sound) not having released
> fully functional Windows Vista drivers.
> This is not primarily a Windows Vista issue that requires him to wait for
> service packs etc, but a hardware vendor one.
>
> --
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:eV34KCcZHHA.808@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
>> cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
>> or music or ... the list goes on.
>> Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
>> the GUI is a distruction.
>>
>> Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes
>> out..
>> OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work
>> and vista for
>> fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
>> like I do... about vista's
>> slowpoke performance...
>>
>> I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your
>> XP liscence? Hmmm?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "BarneyH" <BarneyH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:75ED4EBA-D688-4CF8-9E2E-90E31C9FD8B3@microsoft.com...
>>> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year
>>> (you
>>> know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
>>> everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
>>> BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of
>>> vista
>>> came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked
>>> about the
>>> upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.
>>>
>>> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version,
>>> only
>>> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as
>>> they
>>> rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my
>>> 800$
>>> sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
>>> throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows
>>> start-up
>>> jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
>>> about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
>>> nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.
>>>
>>> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
>>> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
>>> becoming
>>> ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were
>>> made
>>> from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
>>> didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program
>>> I
>>> opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator,
>>> ohh
>>> and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want
>>> Media
>>> center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.
>>>
>>> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I
>>> can
>>> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist
>>> of
>>> questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
>>> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
>>> MAC??
>>
>>
>

Acronis rocks... I suggest people look into acronis true image too

www.acronis.com


"gls858" <gls858@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OM6ZHLcZHHA.4220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> BarneyH wrote:
>> ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year
>> (you know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference
>> in everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then
>> came BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release
>> of vista came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC
>> joked about the upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to
>> MAC.
>>
>> That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
>> cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as
>> they rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers,
>> my 800$ sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large
>> ninja throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows
>> start-up jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will
>> work for about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer
>> and touch nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say,
>> video suchs.
>>
>> so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
>> being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
>> becoming ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements
>> that were made from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am
>> pretty sure I didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did,
>> every program I opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an
>> administrator, ohh and I also had to click allow cause you never know I
>> might not want Media center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the
>> originator.
>>
>> My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
>> remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist
>> of questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
>> everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
>> MAC??
>
> Hmm..no image of your drive before upgrading? Acronis True Image put me
> back to XP in about 30 minutes. Turned around and loaded the Vista image
> and was back to Vista in about 30 minutes. Well worth the $50 IMO.
>
> gls858

This is a first! Someone with compatibility issues AND they built a new
machine.

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:ug#e7JcZHHA.4856@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Classic response.. its everyone and everything's fault but vistas!

Buying a sound card that is not compatible with Vista and trying to get it
to work with Vista IS the fault of the buyer.