Vista Tutorial - Vista bugs

Well, first of all, sorry if someone has already posted about these bugs. I
tried searching but I haven't found about them.

I believe they are bugs since my installation is fresh. Here they are:

1 - When I select more then one item (folders or files) and Right-click ->
Send to -> Compressed Zip-Folder I get an "Access Denied" error. I'm sure I
have permission to write on that folder. If I choose just one item (that is
just one file or one folder) then I don't get this error. Then again, I do
have permission to read the files and the folders (actually they are one
folder and two files and they compress OK if I choose them separatedly). I'm
using a third-party compressor, but the Explorer one was very useful.

2 - On Windows Explorer -> Tools -> Folder Options -> View -> Folder View, I
can set the current view for all folders. But Windows Explorer doesn't set it
properly. The Folders that are customized (such as Photos, Videos, etc) are
OK to show as thumbnails. But Windows Explorer simply doesn't set the View I
want for all the other folders. I still see them as "Tiles", the default view.

3 - Windows Movie Maker generates a "General Access Denied Error", so it
will open only if I run it as Administrator.

4 - Finally, the Import pictures from camera also gives me an access denied
error on a folder I have "Full Control" permissions (just like the zip folder
above), my Pictures folder. I changed this folder to another location (so I'm
not using the default C:\Users\[username]\Pictures) but my user does have
Full Control permission on that one too.

These are some annoying bugs I've found on Vista. Somehow I believe they are
all related to UAC. I still haven't tried disabling UAC to see if they are
gone, I will do. But UAC is the core of Vista's security mechanism, so it is
a shame I have to disable it.

I'm using Vista Ultimate 32-bit Box.

If someone, by any chance, has any suggestions I would be very grateful.

Thank you very much,
Andre

So, disabling UAC solved two of the problems I listed before. I still haven't
tested camera transfer because I don't have what to transfer right now. But I
will test it later. As far as making Windows Explorer change the Views on all
folders, well, most of my folders are already in Detailed view, so I can't
say anything about it.

It seems that program writers need to support UAC better (even Microsoft
does, the Visual Studio 2005 itself, for instance, has issues). Let's give
them time. In the meantime I'll leave it disabled. I just hope that Vista
with UAC disabled is as safe as Windows XP. I never had problems with XP and
I don't want to have any problems with Vista.

Andre

"Andre" wrote:

> Well, first of all, sorry if someone has already posted about these bugs. I
> tried searching but I haven't found about them.
>
> I believe they are bugs since my installation is fresh. Here they are:
>
> 1 - When I select more then one item (folders or files) and Right-click ->
> Send to -> Compressed Zip-Folder I get an "Access Denied" error. I'm sure I
> have permission to write on that folder. If I choose just one item (that is
> just one file or one folder) then I don't get this error. Then again, I do
> have permission to read the files and the folders (actually they are one
> folder and two files and they compress OK if I choose them separatedly). I'm
> using a third-party compressor, but the Explorer one was very useful.
>
> 2 - On Windows Explorer -> Tools -> Folder Options -> View -> Folder View, I
> can set the current view for all folders. But Windows Explorer doesn't set it
> properly. The Folders that are customized (such as Photos, Videos, etc) are
> OK to show as thumbnails. But Windows Explorer simply doesn't set the View I
> want for all the other folders. I still see them as "Tiles", the default view.
>
> 3 - Windows Movie Maker generates a "General Access Denied Error", so it
> will open only if I run it as Administrator.
>
> 4 - Finally, the Import pictures from camera also gives me an access denied
> error on a folder I have "Full Control" permissions (just like the zip folder
> above), my Pictures folder. I changed this folder to another location (so I'm
> not using the default C:\Users\[username]\Pictures) but my user does have
> Full Control permission on that one too.
>
> These are some annoying bugs I've found on Vista. Somehow I believe they are
> all related to UAC. I still haven't tried disabling UAC to see if they are
> gone, I will do. But UAC is the core of Vista's security mechanism, so it is
> a shame I have to disable it.
>
> I'm using Vista Ultimate 32-bit Box.
>
> If someone, by any chance, has any suggestions I would be very grateful.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Andre

I have the same problem no:2.

Actually, Vista WITH UAC enabled is only as secure as XP. The simple fact
of the matter is that a user can do as much harm to a Vista computer with
UAC as they can with XP. The difference is that you have might have to
clicky a button to do the damage with Vista.

Said it before, and won't stop saying it, clicking a button does NOT make a
system more secure. In fact, in many ways it is far far worse.


"Andre" <Andre@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EC29CF66-1C23-4C80-86A0-A9277A866C2C@microsoft.com...
> So, disabling UAC solved two of the problems I listed before. I still
> haven't
> tested camera transfer because I don't have what to transfer right now.
> But I
> will test it later. As far as making Windows Explorer change the Views on
> all
> folders, well, most of my folders are already in Detailed view, so I can't
> say anything about it.
>
> It seems that program writers need to support UAC better (even Microsoft
> does, the Visual Studio 2005 itself, for instance, has issues). Let's give
> them time. In the meantime I'll leave it disabled. I just hope that Vista
> with UAC disabled is as safe as Windows XP. I never had problems with XP
> and
> I don't want to have any problems with Vista.
>
> Andre
\

wadpro wrote:

>
> I have the same problem no:2.
>
>
Hey, me too. What a coincidence!

Cheers.

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There seems to be a serious bug with vista. It does not let you behave as an
administarator even when you are logged in as one you have to chane the
permissions on the file you are accessing to allow all user all rights befor
you can edit it. This unfortunatley means that all users can then modify it,
kind of defeats the whole point. Im assuming this will be fixed soon please
MS.


"Andre" wrote:

> Well, first of all, sorry if someone has already posted about these bugs. I
> tried searching but I haven't found about them.
>
> I believe they are bugs since my installation is fresh. Here they are:
>
> 1 - When I select more then one item (folders or files) and Right-click ->
> Send to -> Compressed Zip-Folder I get an "Access Denied" error. I'm sure I
> have permission to write on that folder. If I choose just one item (that is
> just one file or one folder) then I don't get this error. Then again, I do
> have permission to read the files and the folders (actually they are one
> folder and two files and they compress OK if I choose them separatedly). I'm
> using a third-party compressor, but the Explorer one was very useful.
>
> 2 - On Windows Explorer -> Tools -> Folder Options -> View -> Folder View, I
> can set the current view for all folders. But Windows Explorer doesn't set it
> properly. The Folders that are customized (such as Photos, Videos, etc) are
> OK to show as thumbnails. But Windows Explorer simply doesn't set the View I
> want for all the other folders. I still see them as "Tiles", the default view.
>
> 3 - Windows Movie Maker generates a "General Access Denied Error", so it
> will open only if I run it as Administrator.
>
> 4 - Finally, the Import pictures from camera also gives me an access denied
> error on a folder I have "Full Control" permissions (just like the zip folder
> above), my Pictures folder. I changed this folder to another location (so I'm
> not using the default C:\Users\[username]\Pictures) but my user does have
> Full Control permission on that one too.
>
> These are some annoying bugs I've found on Vista. Somehow I believe they are
> all related to UAC. I still haven't tried disabling UAC to see if they are
> gone, I will do. But UAC is the core of Vista's security mechanism, so it is
> a shame I have to disable it.
>
> I'm using Vista Ultimate 32-bit Box.
>
> If someone, by any chance, has any suggestions I would be very grateful.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Andre

Right, I see your point. But I meant what if a program could access a file
with administrator permission even if my user does not have administrator
permissions, you see? I did some brief tests and I guess not.

wadpro and NoStop, I believe this bug does exist then. I sincerely hope
Microsoft see to it.

Jonathon, I believe that's because Microsoft created a new user called
"TrustedInstaller" that has permissions on some system folders that not even
the Administrator has. However, I though it was strange that I could not
access my own "Application Data" folder because the permission for All Users
was denied. I use this folder to restore my Firefox bookmarks and some
program configurations. I believe Vista is setting some folders too
restrictive permissions. Maybe it is a bug, or maybe someone at Microsoft
misconfigured the default settings.

So now I'm eagerly waiting for SP1.

Andre

"Wrecklass" wrote:

> Actually, Vista WITH UAC enabled is only as secure as XP. The simple fact
> of the matter is that a user can do as much harm to a Vista computer with
> UAC as they can with XP. The difference is that you have might have to
> clicky a button to do the damage with Vista.
>
> Said it before, and won't stop saying it, clicking a button does NOT make a
> system more secure. In fact, in many ways it is far far worse.
>
>
> "Andre" <Andre@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:EC29CF66-1C23-4C80-86A0-A9277A866C2C@microsoft.com...
> > So, disabling UAC solved two of the problems I listed before. I still
> > haven't
> > tested camera transfer because I don't have what to transfer right now.
> > But I
> > will test it later. As far as making Windows Explorer change the Views on
> > all
> > folders, well, most of my folders are already in Detailed view, so I can't
> > say anything about it.
> >
> > It seems that program writers need to support UAC better (even Microsoft
> > does, the Visual Studio 2005 itself, for instance, has issues). Let's give
> > them time. In the meantime I'll leave it disabled. I just hope that Vista
> > with UAC disabled is as safe as Windows XP. I never had problems with XP
> > and
> > I don't want to have any problems with Vista.
> >
> > Andre
> \
>
>

Andre wrote:
> ... I though it was strange that I could not
> access my own "Application Data" folder because the permission for All Users
> was denied...

I was confused also. This is because Vista introduced 'junctions'
which serve only to redirect older software to the new location for
this data which is really located in a different folder. This fixes
a security flaw which should have been fixed years ago -- but now it's
fixed at last.

Meanwhile, I don't know why Explorer shows you a 'junction' that you
can't access -- it makes no sense. The folder you really want is now
called 'App Data' in Explorer. Try it.

In message <#zKeNK3ZHHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Don
<don195702@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Andre wrote:
>> ... I though it was strange that I could not
>> access my own "Application Data" folder because the permission for All Users
>> was denied...
>
>I was confused also. This is because Vista introduced 'junctions'

Junctions have been around since at least 2000, possibly earlier.

>which serve only to redirect older software to the new location for
>this data which is really located in a different folder. This fixes
>a security flaw which should have been fixed years ago -- but now it's
>fixed at last.

What flaw?
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Insert something clever here.

That's right Don. My files are on
C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Roaming

So is this junction is a "fake" directory to fool old programs, to make them
believe they are writing to a folder when in reality they are writing to
another one? Is there a way we could create our own junctions?

Thank you for your reply.

Andre

"Don" wrote:

> I was confused also. This is because Vista introduced 'junctions'
> which serve only to redirect older software to the new location for
> this data which is really located in a different folder. This fixes
> a security flaw which should have been fixed years ago -- but now it's
> fixed at last.
>
> Meanwhile, I don't know why Explorer shows you a 'junction' that you
> can't access -- it makes no sense. The folder you really want is now
> called 'App Data' in Explorer. Try it.
>