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| | Rolling back to XP...... I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I found just the opposite. I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating the line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an invoice from my new system is a nightmare. First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is free, right? Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and installing the Word Viewer from http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: 1. Start Word Viewer. 2. Click File, and then click Open. 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said there is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default invoice letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks Premier 2006. Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. And, for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they (and I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. Asta la Vista baby....... |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... Hi Jim, Sorry its been a poor experiance HOWEVER Vista and Office 2007 are completely new and require investigating / new learning. Vista and Office 2007 has been around for some months to test. Dare I say it I would never expect anyone to be able to start using new software immediately to carry on running a business after install Adaptions have to be made, investigations need to be made and more importantly comprimises. What are you gonna do if someone emails you 2007 format ? Your clients will be in the same conumdrum. Office 2003 will prompt to download a viewer for 2007 and once installed office 2003 opens 2007 with a breeze. Office 2000 will not support it. Its new technology so to move forward you have to upgrade. Different accounting packages do things differently, what works for one doesn't work for another. You cant expect them to work the way you are used to. (compromise or adapt). I could give you a list of things that QB cant do that Office Accounting can. Word 2007 to PDF or even XPS works ok here... saved bundle on upgrading to Adobe 8.5 for vista. Only needed the writer function No, I dont work for Microsoft, I use and support QB Sage ACT Microsoft Dynamics Office Microsoft Accounting. all clients have different needs and what works for one doesn't work for another. Just my $0.02 "Jim Hubbard" <jim@privateaddress.net> wrote in message news:536ED270-23F2-491D-8B66-C3EEE8B0DDBF@microsoft.com... >I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office >Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. > > While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I > found just the opposite. > > I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier > 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating the > line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an > invoice from my new system is a nightmare. > > First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just > say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver > which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. > > Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. > Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or > less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing > a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is > free, right? > > Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 > Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and > installing the Word Viewer from > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) > > To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: > 1. Start Word Viewer. > 2. Click File, and then click Open. > 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). > 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. > > Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! > > Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your > documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to > email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank > email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. > > The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. > In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the > first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF > attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) > > I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support > (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems > (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said there > is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from > Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the > subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default invoice > letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks Premier > 2006. > > Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. > > So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. And, > for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they (and > I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. > > Asta la Vista baby....... > > |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... Hi Jim Not going to be a big help There is a free file converter plug-in for word2003 so you can open word2007 in word2003 http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...444731033.aspx And you could always save down to 2003 in word Steve "Jim Hubbard" <jim@privateaddress.net> wrote in message news:536ED270-23F2-491D-8B66-C3EEE8B0DDBF@microsoft.com... >I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office >Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. > > While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I > found just the opposite. > > I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier > 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating the > line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an > invoice from my new system is a nightmare. > > First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just > say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver > which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. > > Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. > Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or > less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing > a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is > free, right? > > Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 > Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and > installing the Word Viewer from > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) > > To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: > 1. Start Word Viewer. > 2. Click File, and then click Open. > 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). > 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. > > Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! > > Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your > documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to > email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank > email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. > > The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. > In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the > first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF > attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) > > I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support > (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems > (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said there > is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from > Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the > subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default invoice > letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks Premier > 2006. > > Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. > > So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. And, > for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they (and > I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. > > Asta la Vista baby....... > > |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... "POP" <iknowyouwant@this.lol> wrote in news:uFhYormaHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > Vista and Office 2007 has been around for some months to test. Dare I > say it I would never expect anyone to be able to start using new > software immediately to carry on running a business after install > > Adaptions have to be made, investigations need to be made and more > importantly comprimises. > > What are you gonna do if someone emails you 2007 format ? Contact them back and tell them to send back a PDF. I do it all the time. |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... You have missed an important point, that I wager a lot of people have not caught on to. Vista is not about being more productive, in fact it is quite the opposite. Vista is about making it harder to use non-Microsoft software. A feature that very few customers find useful. "Jim Hubbard" <jim@privateaddress.net> wrote in message news:536ED270-23F2-491D-8B66-C3EEE8B0DDBF@microsoft.com... >I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office >Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. > > While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I > found just the opposite. > > I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier > 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating the > line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an > invoice from my new system is a nightmare. > > First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just > say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver > which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. > > Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. > Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or > less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing > a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is > free, right? > > Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 > Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and > installing the Word Viewer from > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) > > To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: > 1. Start Word Viewer. > 2. Click File, and then click Open. > 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). > 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. > > Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! > > Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your > documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to > email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank > email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. > > The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. > In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the > first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF > attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) > > I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support > (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems > (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said there > is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from > Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the > subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default invoice > letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks Premier > 2006. > > Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. > > So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. And, > for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they (and > I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. > > Asta la Vista baby....... > > |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... POP, First, thanks for the reply. I guess I just thought that something so basic and simple as emailing an invoice should (a) take into account that not everyone will have Office 2007 for months [some for years - Microsoft knows this even if it wishes it were not so], (b) that if you have a template for invoices, surely you'd have a template for the invoice letter [something QuickBooks uses very effectively and is certainly possible in MOAP 2007], and (c) the primary goal of all software upgrades should be to simplify the user's experience and save the user time and expense. Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 has managed to do exactly the OPPOSITE of all of these things that I [as a programmer of 22 years] take for granted in my releases. I guess, for me, the trade offs I would have to make (more typing, longer time to complete my invoices, etc.) are not worth the admittedly very professional-looking invoices put out by MOAP. Thanks again for your post! Jim Hubbard "POP" <iknowyouwant@this.lol> wrote in message news:uFhYormaHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Hi Jim, > > Sorry its been a poor experiance HOWEVER Vista and Office 2007 are > completely new and require investigating / new learning. > > Vista and Office 2007 has been around for some months to test. Dare I say > it I would never expect anyone to be able to start using new software > immediately to carry on running a business after install > > Adaptions have to be made, investigations need to be made and more > importantly comprimises. > > What are you gonna do if someone emails you 2007 format ? Your clients > will be in the same conumdrum. Office 2003 will prompt to download a > viewer for 2007 and once installed office 2003 opens 2007 with a breeze. > Office 2000 will not support it. Its new technology so to move forward you > have to upgrade. > > Different accounting packages do things differently, what works for one > doesn't work for another. You cant expect them to work the way you are > used to. (compromise or adapt). I could give you a list of things that QB > cant do that Office Accounting can. > > Word 2007 to PDF or even XPS works ok here... saved bundle on upgrading to > Adobe 8.5 for vista. Only needed the writer function > > No, I dont work for Microsoft, I use and support > > QB > Sage > ACT > Microsoft Dynamics > Office > Microsoft Accounting. > > all clients have different needs and what works for one doesn't work for > another. > > Just my $0.02 > > > > > > > > > "Jim Hubbard" <jim@privateaddress.net> wrote in message > news:536ED270-23F2-491D-8B66-C3EEE8B0DDBF@microsoft.com... >>I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office >>Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. >> >> While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I >> found just the opposite. >> >> I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier >> 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating >> the line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an >> invoice from my new system is a nightmare. >> >> First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just >> say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver >> which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. >> >> Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. >> Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or >> less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing >> a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is >> free, right? >> >> Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 >> Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and >> installing the Word Viewer from >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) >> >> To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: >> 1. Start Word Viewer. >> 2. Click File, and then click Open. >> 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). >> 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. >> >> Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! >> >> Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your >> documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to >> email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank >> email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. >> >> The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. >> In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the >> first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF >> attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) >> >> I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support >> (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems >> (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said >> there is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from >> Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the >> subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default >> invoice letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks >> Premier 2006. >> >> Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. >> >> So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. >> And, for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they >> (and I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. >> >> Asta la Vista baby....... >> >> > |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message news:Xns98F8CB188FC3Fthisnthatadelphianet@194.177.96.78... > "POP" <iknowyouwant@this.lol> wrote in > news:uFhYormaHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > >> Vista and Office 2007 has been around for some months to test. Dare I >> say it I would never expect anyone to be able to start using new >> software immediately to carry on running a business after install >> >> Adaptions have to be made, investigations need to be made and more >> importantly comprimises. >> >> What are you gonna do if someone emails you 2007 format ? > > Contact them back and tell them to send back a PDF. > > I do it all the time. > > Oddly enough, I haven't had anyone try and send me any 2007 stuff yet. |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... Steve, Thanks for the link! I'll pass it on if someone I know needs it. Jim "Steve" <a@dot.com> wrote in message news:OvtW9xmaHHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Hi Jim > > Not going to be a big help > There is a free file converter plug-in for word2003 so you can open > word2007 in word2003 > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/wo...444731033.aspx > > And you could always save down to 2003 in word > > Steve > > "Jim Hubbard" <jim@privateaddress.net> wrote in message > news:536ED270-23F2-491D-8B66-C3EEE8B0DDBF@microsoft.com... >>I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office >>Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. >> >> While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I >> found just the opposite. >> >> I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier >> 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating >> the line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an >> invoice from my new system is a nightmare. >> >> First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just >> say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver >> which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. >> >> Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. >> Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or >> less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing >> a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is >> free, right? >> >> Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 >> Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and >> installing the Word Viewer from >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) >> >> To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: >> 1. Start Word Viewer. >> 2. Click File, and then click Open. >> 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). >> 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. >> >> Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! >> >> Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your >> documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to >> email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank >> email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. >> >> The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. >> In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the >> first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF >> attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) >> >> I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support >> (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems >> (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said >> there is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from >> Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the >> subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default >> invoice letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks >> Premier 2006. >> >> Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. >> >> So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. >> And, for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they >> (and I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. >> >> Asta la Vista baby....... >> >> > > |
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| | Re: Rolling back to XP...... Linux looks less and less scary to me every day. "Wrecklass" <wrecklass1@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uHVqxNpaHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > You have missed an important point, that I wager a lot of people have not > caught on to. > > Vista is not about being more productive, in fact it is quite the > opposite. Vista is about making it harder to use non-Microsoft software. A > feature that very few customers find useful. > > > "Jim Hubbard" <jim@privateaddress.net> wrote in message > news:536ED270-23F2-491D-8B66-C3EEE8B0DDBF@microsoft.com... >>I adopted Vista Ultimate (32 bit), Office 2007 and Microsoft Office >>Accounting Professional 2007 on my personal desktop at my company. >> >> While I looked for reasons to justify upgrading all of my workstations, I >> found just the opposite. >> >> I mostly do invoicing of clients for my company. In QuickBooks Premier >> 2006, emailing an invoice (ugly as they are - with no lines separating >> the line items) is a pretty straightforward, simple process. Emailing an >> invoice from my new system is a nightmare. >> >> First, there is no default letters like in QBP. The subject lines just >> say "Invoice" - no number, no date, nothing to indicate to the receiver >> which invoice their emails are without opening each one to see. >> >> Then, there is the problem of emailing everything in Word 2007 format. >> Most of my (and probably your) customers are still on Office 2003 (or >> less). They cannot view Word 2007 docs as you see them without installing >> a Word Viewer. But, that doesn't sound so bad - after all Word Viewer is >> free, right? >> >> Sure it's free. But, for your clients to see your pretty new Word 2007 >> Docs as you do, they have to do the following (after downloading and >> installing the Word Viewer from >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/925180) >> >> To use Word Viewer to open the file, follow these steps: >> 1. Start Word Viewer. >> 2. Click File, and then click Open. >> 3. In the Files of type list, click All Files (*.*). >> 4. Click to select the file that you want to open, and then click Open. >> >> Ridiculous! They can't even view your docs from Office! >> >> Now, there is an option in Word that will allow you to email your >> documents in PDF format. The problem here is that when you choose to >> email a Word 2007 doc as a PDF attachment, you get a completely blank >> email with the Word Doc attached as a PDF. >> >> The TO address, email body, etc. are blank - just more work for me to do. >> In QBP, this is all done for me. (And, the irritating thing is that the >> first Word email editor stays open after you send the doc as a PDF >> attachment from the second email editor window.....why?) >> >> I called Microsoft Office Accounting Professional 2007 support >> (1-866-827-1619 just in case you need it) and asked about these problems >> (anything that slows me down is a "problem" in my world). They said >> there is no way to automatically send an invoice as a PDF attachment from >> Microsoft Accounting Professional 2007. There is also no way to make the >> subject line say anything but "Invoice". And, there is no default >> invoice letter with user fields filled out like there is in QuickBooks >> Premier 2006. >> >> Do they have any plans to make emailing invoices any easier? No. >> >> So, it's back to XP, Office 2003 and QuickBooks Premier 2006 for me. >> And, for my customers....I recommend staying right where they are...they >> (and I) will be more productive on XP/2003 than on Vista/2007. >> >> Asta la Vista baby....... >> >> > |
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