Vista - Microsoft Java? Is it available in Vista? (not sun java!)

Blame the problem on Sun. Then tell your fortune 20 company to upgrade their
software.

But if they are a fortune 20 company they already know where the problem
originates from.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Jacob2000" <Jacob2000@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4464EB9F-7092-4CA5-8A30-F450BAAC4869@microsoft.com...
> Well I have to use Microsoft VM because my the company I work for is
> unwilling to upgrade to SUN java... for whatever reason! I am not going
> to
> quit my job just because MS cant or wont upgrade their older software to
> be
> compatible. I work for a fortune 20 company, and they probably spent
> millions on MS Java, and like so many other companies, they dont see a
> need
> to upgrade what has been working, to make it work on a new OS. After all,
> MS
> should be making it EASIER to move over to a new OS, and not harder! I
> make
> way too much money to want to get a different job... at this time....
>
> That being said, If I cant get VISTA to work with what I need, I will just
> have to either dualboot XP or not get VISTA at all and stay with XP! Its
> as
> simple as that!
>
> So if MS wants my business, and that of others, they have to be more
> willing
> to get their act together and make Vista more backward compatible with
> programs that at least work with XP. After all, more than 60% of people
> are
> using XP, and probably will for the next 2 years...
>
> "LaRoux" wrote:
>
>> Dude - find another job. How many years has it been that the MS JVM has
>> been
>> unsupported? I'm thinking at least 3 but maybe 5. This seems like an IT
>> organization that is either incompetent or completely out of control.
>> Neither can signal a good future.
>>
>> As another alternative just in case something is keeping you from
>> securing
>> your future, get your new Vista system and run XP (or 98) in a Virtual
>> Machine to support this legacy system.
>>
>> "Jacob2000" <Jacob2000@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C7487441-BFCF-4469-BD14-B33502A9DCB9@microsoft.com...
>> >I need to get a new pc for work purposes, and my employer still uses the
>> >old
>> > Microsoft java for its servers. I can not get SUN JAVA to work (I have
>> > tried
>> > and had my companies techsupport email me the Microsoft java instead to
>> > get
>> > onto the servers). Does vista still have the old microsoft java in it,
>> > or
>> > available to download? Will the old Microsoft java that works on XP
>> > work
>> > on
>> > Vista? I can not risk loosing thousands of dollars not knowing this
>> > answer
>> > and taking the chance on VISTA, without knowing for sure that I will be
>> > able
>> > to do this. Thanks...
>>
>>
>>

Dan wrote:
> "Jacob2000" <Jacob2000@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4464EB9F-7092-4CA5-8A30-F450BAAC4869@microsoft.com...
>> Well I have to use Microsoft VM because my the company I work for is
>> unwilling to upgrade to SUN java... for whatever reason! I am not going
>> to
>> quit my job just because MS cant or wont upgrade their older software to
>> be
>> compatible. I work for a fortune 20 company, and they probably spent
>> millions on MS Java, and like so many other companies, they dont see a
>> need
>> to upgrade what has been working, to make it work on a new OS. After all,
>> MS
>> should be making it EASIER to move over to a new OS, and not harder! I
>> make
>> way too much money to want to get a different job... at this time....
>>
>> That being said, If I cant get VISTA to work with what I need, I will just
>> have to either dualboot XP or not get VISTA at all and stay with XP! Its
>> as
>> simple as that!
>>
>> So if MS wants my business, and that of others, they have to be more
>> willing
>> to get their act together and make Vista more backward compatible with
>> programs that at least work with XP. After all, more than 60% of people
>> are
>> using XP, and probably will for the next 2 years...
>>
>> "LaRoux" wrote:
>
> MS Java is not an option thanks to Sun. They made MS remove their version of
> Java from the Microsoft OS's. As a result you and your company are stuck.
> Not to mention the MS version no longer being supported thanks to Sun makes
> the MS version very insecure and vulnerable. Your company would do well to
> wake up and change tactics as they are only hurting themselves and their
> customers with this practice. Blaming MS for this is just plain stupid as if
> they had a choice they probably would still have their own version of Java.
>
> Dan
>
>
The bottom line is that ms originally did not abide by terms it agreed
to when using sun java under license. Sun sued and the courts agreed
with sun, forcing ms to abandon its version (after a specific time
frame). Ms then attempted to not bundle sun java in xp at all, and was
sued again by sun. Sun prevailed and ms was ordered to include sun java
in xp. What you are seeing now is due to the judgements and settlements
from these suits. This url has the details should you wish to read it:
http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news...le.php/1561231


--
norm

"upgrade to SUN java" - very appropriate choice of words.

dualboot - end of story.



"Jacob2000" <Jacob2000@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4464EB9F-7092-4CA5-8A30-F450BAAC4869@microsoft.com...
> Well I have to use Microsoft VM because my the company I work for is
> unwilling to upgrade to SUN java... for whatever reason! I am not going
> to
> quit my job just because MS cant or wont upgrade their older software to
> be
> compatible. I work for a fortune 20 company, and they probably spent
> millions on MS Java, and like so many other companies, they dont see a
> need
> to upgrade what has been working, to make it work on a new OS. After all,
> MS
> should be making it EASIER to move over to a new OS, and not harder! I
> make
> way too much money to want to get a different job... at this time....
>
> That being said, If I cant get VISTA to work with what I need, I will just
> have to either dualboot XP or not get VISTA at all and stay with XP! Its
> as
> simple as that!
>
> So if MS wants my business, and that of others, they have to be more
> willing
> to get their act together and make Vista more backward compatible with
> programs that at least work with XP. After all, more than 60% of people
> are
> using XP, and probably will for the next 2 years...
>
> "LaRoux" wrote:
>
>> Dude - find another job. How many years has it been that the MS JVM has
>> been
>> unsupported? I'm thinking at least 3 but maybe 5. This seems like an IT
>> organization that is either incompetent or completely out of control.
>> Neither can signal a good future.
>>
>> As another alternative just in case something is keeping you from
>> securing
>> your future, get your new Vista system and run XP (or 98) in a Virtual
>> Machine to support this legacy system.
>>
>> "Jacob2000" <Jacob2000@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C7487441-BFCF-4469-BD14-B33502A9DCB9@microsoft.com...
>> >I need to get a new pc for work purposes, and my employer still uses the
>> >old
>> > Microsoft java for its servers. I can not get SUN JAVA to work (I have
>> > tried
>> > and had my companies techsupport email me the Microsoft java instead to
>> > get
>> > onto the servers). Does vista still have the old microsoft java in it,
>> > or
>> > available to download? Will the old Microsoft java that works on XP
>> > work
>> > on
>> > Vista? I can not risk loosing thousands of dollars not knowing this
>> > answer
>> > and taking the chance on VISTA, without knowing for sure that I will be
>> > able
>> > to do this. Thanks...
>>
>>
>>

i have java on my computer to play games but when i went to open up frostwire
it said i needed another version of jave. so i went to download it and i keep
getting an error message. do you know of anyway to download this? if i
remember correctly it is java runtime 1.6 or something like that. i tried to
dl it in ie, mozilla and netscape. cant get it to dl.

"pvdg42" wrote:

>
> "Werner Zumwinkel" <werner.zw2006@arcor.de> wrote in message
> news:460b77af$0$20282$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net...
> > Jacob2000 schrieb:
> >
> > Be aware, the Java VM is not supportet in vista!
>
> Are you referring to the Sun JVM 6? I have it running fine on Vista here.
> Earlier versions have issues.
>
>
>