Vista - Roll back to XP

"Billy" <bigbill52a@slapsoap.com> wrote in message
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>I really dont think that it is too much to ask that the majority of
> progams that worked in XP should also work in Vista. When I upgraded from
> 2000 to XP, the only programs that didnt work in both were the Microsoft
> toys that were designed specifically for XP. An operating system should
> be written to accommodate the customers needs. Otherwise it is a useless
> toy, and in the case of Vista, a broken toy.

I completely disagree. If people think Vista is HUGE now then just imagine
it being fully XP compatible.

If MS were to kill XP with the release of Vista then your train of thought
would have a fighting chance. The simple fact remains, if Vista can't get
you what you need as an OS then you need to use XP (if in fact you need
Windows of course).

Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of the
time.

Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until everything is
supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista, not
the other way around.

On 3/29/2007 2:11 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

> "Billy" <bigbill52a@slapsoap.com> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.03.29.20.05.33@slapsoap.com...
>> I really dont think that it is too much to ask that the majority of
>> progams that worked in XP should also work in Vista. When I upgraded from
>> 2000 to XP, the only programs that didnt work in both were the Microsoft
>> toys that were designed specifically for XP. An operating system should
>> be written to accommodate the customers needs. Otherwise it is a useless
>> toy, and in the case of Vista, a broken toy.
>
> I completely disagree. If people think Vista is HUGE now then just imagine
> it being fully XP compatible.
>
> If MS were to kill XP with the release of Vista then your train of thought
> would have a fighting chance. The simple fact remains, if Vista can't get
> you what you need as an OS then you need to use XP (if in fact you need
> Windows of course).
>
> Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of the
> time.
>
> Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
> drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until everything is
> supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista, not
> the other way around.
>
>
>

Interesting. You run Vista 100% of the time but your "apps and drivers
are not ready for Vista"? So you'll wait until everything is supported?
I don't know what business you run, but most can't sit around waiting
until everyone plays catch-up with Vista. A pretty new UI doesn't get
my work done. Does it yours?

The bottom line is dollars. If Vista ran everything without a hitch,
all the software (and hardware) companies wouldn't be able to charge for
their upgrades and would go broke. Same with MS.


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Terry

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What is the point? Microsoft certainly did not write it for their
customers. We dont want an operating system that is a toy. We want one
that is transparent and allows us to accomplish our tasks by running our
applications. We want to play our music, surf the web, read and send
email, watch movies, hook up our ipods and lyras and zunes effortlessly,
burn dvds and cds, play our games, and these are just the personal uses.
Businesses need their software to work with which they manage their
companies. They do not want to have to fight with the operating system
to do even the simplest tasks, or experience unexpected and frequent
crashes with cryptic error messages, or spend $59 to ask for support from
a person who can barely speak their native language, or worry that they
will have to reactivate their software, just because they changed the
hardware, or even updated their drivers, or installed a game. Vista is a
toy. It looks nice, if you can get it to install, but dont try to use it
for any serious work.

I never think about my operating system. My applications work and they
are updated frequently. Someone is always working to improve their
performance and features. I can leave my computer on and know that when
I come back, it will still be working, without crashing while I was
gone. I did not need any external drivers. Everything was available
from the control center, including turning on 3d, if I so desired. I
have instant support. The authors of my operating system are available
on XCHAT, which I can leave on all the time. I was able to figure out
how to install VMWARE and run Windows XP as a virtual machine. I just
followed the directions. In fact, it is running now in the background.
Movies look a lot better in the virtual machine than they do, when
Windows is running on its own. My next goal is to learn how to use
Cadega, so I can run Windows programs, without using the virtual
machine. Sure my operating system is pretty. I can configure anyway that
I want. But that is just an extra bonus. I can learn new things and run
whatever applications that I want, and it will always be rock solid...I
said all of this without once mentioning the 'l' word.



On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:36:17 -0400, David B. wrote:

> So your saying, rather than develop new technologies, Microsoft's main
> goal with new OS's should be to make sure it's backwards compatible with
> all apps? What would be the point of releasing a new OS then?
>

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"IanB" <IanB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Having installed Vista I find that is does not work with:
> 1. Our accounts system - Sage
> 2. Our CRM system - ACT!
> 3. Our shopping cart system - Actinic
> 4. Our design package - Quark
>
> The final straw was today when I spent £37 on the Benq help desk trying to
> get our digital project to operate on the laptop to finally be told it
> will
> not work under Vista.
>
> I don't care how pretty it looks, as an operating system it doesn't work.
>
> How do you roll back from Vista to XP without having to rebuild a machine?
> Has anyone done it??
>
> Any advice gratefully received.
Next time, do your homework before the upgrade.

In my case, the whole upgrade is on hold because Nikon does not have Nikon
Scan running on Vista. I don't use the scanner much anymore, but I do want
it available at all times.

I haven't bothered to check about the other stuff, but I will not consider
an update I know that all of my applications will run in Vista.

Jim

"Billy" <bigbill52a@slapsoap.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.03.29.21.39.42@slapsoap.com...
> What is the point? Microsoft certainly did not write it for their
> customers.

Yes they did.

> We dont want an operating system that is a toy.

True.

> We want one
> that is transparent and allows us to accomplish our tasks by running our
> applications.

Vista can do that.

> We want to play our music, surf the web, read and send
> email, watch movies

Vista can do that.

> hook up our ipods and lyras and zunes effortlessly,

I have a Zune and it works just fine.

> burn dvds and cds, play our games, and these are just the personal uses.

Vista can do that. Check the game first, it might incompatible.


> Businesses need their software to work with which they manage their
> companies.

Duh.

> They do not want to have to fight with the operating system
> to do even the simplest tasks, or experience unexpected and frequent

Not one of my 5 peers using Vista has to fight with it.

> crashes with cryptic error messages

I get none of those.

> or spend $59 to ask for support from
> a person who can barely speak their native language, or worry that they

??? Who does that?

> will have to reactivate their software, just because they changed the
> hardware, or even updated their drivers, or installed a game. Vista is a

Major problem that needs to get fixed.

> toy. It looks nice, if you can get it to install, but dont try to use it
> for any serious work.

I have and I do. So do countless others.

> I never think about my operating system.

It shows.

> I completely disagree. If people think Vista is HUGE now then just
> imagine it being fully XP compatible.
>
> If MS were to kill XP with the release of Vista then your train of
> thought would have a fighting chance. The simple fact remains, if Vista
> can't get you what you need as an OS then you need to use XP (if in fact
> you need Windows of course).
>
> Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of
> the time.
>
> Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
> drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until everything is
> supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista,
> not the other way around.

I do not understand why Vista is huge. My OS fits on a cd and includes a
host of useful programs. No one would dare to put out a kernel that
didnt include support for more hardware and yet was not compatible with
all the apps. It only took 15 minutes to install. The os should support
the hardware and the apps, not the other way around. You admit that you
can not use Vista to the fullest, because you are missing driver support
and patches for your applications, if they will ever be patched, and you
wont be forced to buy upgraded versions of the same apps. Now,
admittedly my OS probably wont install on all hardware. I found a via
chipset with a k-2 cpu that did not like anything but windows 98. I
suspect that it will eventually die with 98 still tightly grasped to its
bosom, but that is the only one that I have found so far.

Vista is huge. No one understands why. I am sure the nanny ware doesnt
help. Just think, MOM on a DVD, checking to make sure that I dont watch
or do anything that I havent paid for (if even that works correctly,
which apparently it doesnt), checking to make sure that my Vista is
legit, not once, but over and over again, taking control of my hardware
to degrade performance. But it is my hardware. MOM loves you and only
wants what is best for you. My windows explorer windows crashes all the
time. It must be you. MOM would never do that. It must be one of those
terrible drivers...

Keep MOM, I will keep my freedom...thanks, but no thanks...


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"Terry" <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/29/2007 2:11 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> "Billy" <bigbill52a@slapsoap.com> wrote in message
>> newsan.2007.03.29.20.05.33@slapsoap.com...
>>> I really dont think that it is too much to ask that the majority of
>>> progams that worked in XP should also work in Vista. When I upgraded
>>> from
>>> 2000 to XP, the only programs that didnt work in both were the Microsoft
>>> toys that were designed specifically for XP. An operating system should
>>> be written to accommodate the customers needs. Otherwise it is a
>>> useless
>>> toy, and in the case of Vista, a broken toy.
>>
>> I completely disagree. If people think Vista is HUGE now then just
>> imagine it being fully XP compatible.
>>
>> If MS were to kill XP with the release of Vista then your train of
>> thought would have a fighting chance. The simple fact remains, if Vista
>> can't get you what you need as an OS then you need to use XP (if in fact
>> you need Windows of course).
>>
>> Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of
>> the time.
>>
>> Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
>> drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we'll wait until everything is
>> supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista,
>> not the other way around.
>>
>>
>
> Interesting. You run Vista 100% of the time but your "apps and drivers
> are not ready for Vista"? So you'll wait until everything is supported? I
> don't know what business you run, but most can't sit around waiting until
> everyone plays catch-up with Vista. A pretty new UI doesn't get my work
> done. Does it yours?
>
> The bottom line is dollars. If Vista ran everything without a hitch, all
> the software (and hardware) companies wouldn't be able to charge for their
> upgrades and would go broke. Same with MS.
>
>
> --
> Terry
>
> ***Reply Note***
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> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.

This is convoluted, indeed idiot, logic. Is OSX compatible with Mac
Classic?

"Billy" <bigbill52a@slapsoap.com> wrote in message
newsan.2007.03.29.22.02.58@slapsoap.com...
>
>> I completely disagree. If people think Vista is HUGE now then just
>> imagine it being fully XP compatible.
>>
>> If MS were to kill XP with the release of Vista then your train of
>> thought would have a fighting chance. The simple fact remains, if Vista
>> can't get you what you need as an OS then you need to use XP (if in fact
>> you need Windows of course).
>>
>> Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of
>> the time.
>>
>> Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
>> drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we'll wait until everything is
>> supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista,
>> not the other way around.
>
> I do not understand why Vista is huge. My OS fits on a cd and includes a
> host of useful programs. No one would dare to put out a kernel that
> didnt include support for more hardware and yet was not compatible with
> all the apps.

If you are referring to the one-disc Linux...it crashes on ten of 12
computers I run.

As for your other comments, they are plain stupid. OSX is fundamentally not
compatible with Mac Classic Os's

"Terry" <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting. You run Vista 100% of the time but your "apps and drivers
> are not ready for Vista"?

Try reading my post again. Pay attention to the distinction between
consumer and business.


> I don't know what business you run, but most can't sit around waiting
> until everyone plays catch-up with Vista.

Says who? Based on what? Are you trying to tell me that I can't afford to
continue using XP? Or are you trying to tell me I need Vista NOW and it
costs me extra money for each day I'm not using it?

I'm not installing Vista at "work" for the same exact reason I didn't
install XP right away. Although, this time I have 5 users on Vista. Those
users do not require the use of our main accounting package.

> A pretty new UI doesn't get my work done. Does it yours?

The UI by itself? Heck no. So it's a good thing Vista has much more to
offer then a new UI.

I notice that MOM's Kids can not respond to a post, without insulting the
person that they disagree with. They love MOM so much that they cant
stand anyone saying anything negative about their beloved MOM. I would
switch my OS tomorrow, if I found something better, but MOM's Kids will
hold onto the end. Vista is not something better for me and I have the
freedom to decide.



>> I never think about my operating system.
>
> It shows.

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