Vista - XP can be 'green' too

resist the vista hype through education!

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March 30, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp. may have tooted the public
relations horn about Vista's power-saving features, said a Gartner Inc.
analyst this week, but businesses would be smart to look at ways they can
save electricity on their XP-powered PCs rather than worry about what the
new OS offers.

Earlier this month, Microsoft announced the results of tests by U.K.-based
PC Pro Labs that said Vista's improved power management features could
reduce carbon emissions for a business with 200 PCs by 45 tons annually, and
save the company $90.50 per PC per year in electricity costs.

"Before embarking on an expensive Vista upgrade to achieve green benefits,
businesses should spend a much smaller amount on a broad-based education and
training program to help staff understand why saving energy is important to
the business," Gartner analyst Simon Mingay wrote in a research note this
week.

"Our research shows that most users respond very positively when education
and behavioral changes are part of a broad program to save energy and cut
carbon dioxide emissions," Mingay said.

Mingay said businesses could reap about the same savings in electricity and
carbon dioxide emissions with XP-based systems by educating users on that
operating system's management features. He recommended that companies remind
users to shut down PCs after hours, and show them how to remove screen
savers and put monitors into stand-by mode after 10 minutes of inactivity.

"People and process changes are harder to make than technology changes, but
go much deeper and will have impacts beyond any Windows upgrade," said
Mingay. "Businesses shouldn't justify upgrading to Vista just because of
improved power management."

Microsoft has posted guides to using Windows XP's power management tools on
its Web site, including one from 2002.

No company would get Vista just for it's 'green' features.. the guy writing
that stuff was probably told to get something ready for print or he would be
fired..


"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
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> resist the vista hype through education!
>
> http://computerworld.com/action/arti...intsrc=hm_list
>
> March 30, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp. may have tooted the
> public relations horn about Vista's power-saving features, said a Gartner
> Inc. analyst this week, but businesses would be smart to look at ways they
> can save electricity on their XP-powered PCs rather than worry about what
> the new OS offers.
>
> Earlier this month, Microsoft announced the results of tests by U.K.-based
> PC Pro Labs that said Vista's improved power management features could
> reduce carbon emissions for a business with 200 PCs by 45 tons annually,
> and save the company $90.50 per PC per year in electricity costs.
>
> "Before embarking on an expensive Vista upgrade to achieve green benefits,
> businesses should spend a much smaller amount on a broad-based education
> and training program to help staff understand why saving energy is
> important to the business," Gartner analyst Simon Mingay wrote in a
> research note this week.
>
> "Our research shows that most users respond very positively when education
> and behavioral changes are part of a broad program to save energy and cut
> carbon dioxide emissions," Mingay said.
>
> Mingay said businesses could reap about the same savings in electricity
> and carbon dioxide emissions with XP-based systems by educating users on
> that operating system's management features. He recommended that companies
> remind users to shut down PCs after hours, and show them how to remove
> screen savers and put monitors into stand-by mode after 10 minutes of
> inactivity.
>
> "People and process changes are harder to make than technology changes,
> but go much deeper and will have impacts beyond any Windows upgrade," said
> Mingay. "Businesses shouldn't justify upgrading to Vista just because of
> improved power management."
>
> Microsoft has posted guides to using Windows XP's power management tools
> on its Web site, including one from 2002.
>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

I would fire you for your reply to my post


"Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> No company would get Vista just for it's 'green' features.. the guy
> writing that stuff was probably told to get something ready for print or
> he would be fired..
>
>
> "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:emkSfe9cHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> resist the vista hype through education!
>>
>> http://computerworld.com/action/arti...intsrc=hm_list
>>
>> March 30, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp. may have tooted the
>> public relations horn about Vista's power-saving features, said a Gartner
>> Inc. analyst this week, but businesses would be smart to look at ways
>> they can save electricity on their XP-powered PCs rather than worry about
>> what the new OS offers.
>>
>> Earlier this month, Microsoft announced the results of tests by
>> U.K.-based PC Pro Labs that said Vista's improved power management
>> features could reduce carbon emissions for a business with 200 PCs by 45
>> tons annually, and save the company $90.50 per PC per year in electricity
>> costs.
>>
>> "Before embarking on an expensive Vista upgrade to achieve green
>> benefits, businesses should spend a much smaller amount on a broad-based
>> education and training program to help staff understand why saving energy
>> is important to the business," Gartner analyst Simon Mingay wrote in a
>> research note this week.
>>
>> "Our research shows that most users respond very positively when
>> education and behavioral changes are part of a broad program to save
>> energy and cut carbon dioxide emissions," Mingay said.
>>
>> Mingay said businesses could reap about the same savings in electricity
>> and carbon dioxide emissions with XP-based systems by educating users on
>> that operating system's management features. He recommended that
>> companies remind users to shut down PCs after hours, and show them how to
>> remove screen savers and put monitors into stand-by mode after 10 minutes
>> of inactivity.
>>
>> "People and process changes are harder to make than technology changes,
>> but go much deeper and will have impacts beyond any Windows upgrade,"
>> said Mingay. "Businesses shouldn't justify upgrading to Vista just
>> because of improved power management."
>>
>> Microsoft has posted guides to using Windows XP's power management tools
>> on its Web site, including one from 2002.
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
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> resist the vista hype through education!
>
> http://computerworld.com/action/arti...intsrc=hm_list
>
> March 30, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp. may have tooted the
> public relations horn about Vista's power-saving features, said a
> Gartner Inc. analyst this week, but businesses would be smart to look
> at ways they can save electricity on their XP-powered PCs rather than
> worry about what the new OS offers.


So has there been an independent study on the cost savings of using
power management modes versus having to replace hard drives (and the
manufacturing pollution therefrom) due to thermal expansion/contraction
and electrical stress due to startup surge current when cycling the hard
drives on and off, say, every 30 minutes?

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message...

> I would fire you for your reply to my post

But you're the trolling dimple-brained OP... the one who planted
this pabulum as bait for his anti-MS advocacy.

The idiot who wrote the article probably doesn't have a clue that
anyone who wants to cut desktop PC problems in half, begins by
disabling all power management features.



> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:eWng3s9cHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > No company would get Vista just for it's 'green' features.. the guy
> > writing that stuff was probably told to get something ready for print or
> > he would be fired..

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:emkSfe9cHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> resist the vista hype through education!
>
> http://computerworld.com/action/arti...intsrc=hm_list

You don't buy an OS because of a single feature. However it's an added
benefit. You can either see this benefit as:

1. Electrical cost savings.
or
2. IT costs saving from having to support the SAME TASKS in XP through
domain admin.
or
3. Educating thousands of staff members would cost more then buying Vista.

The only OS I have seen that stresses the hard disk all the time
even when you are not using it is vista...

Vista stinks and you know it.. you just dont want to admit
that you made a blundering mistake when you actually
payed to become a beta tester until sp1 comes out.



"Vanguard" <no@mail.invalid> wrote in message
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> "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:emkSfe9cHHA.4624@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> resist the vista hype through education!
>>
>> http://computerworld.com/action/arti...intsrc=hm_list
>>
>> March 30, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp. may have tooted the
>> public relations horn about Vista's power-saving features, said a Gartner
>> Inc. analyst this week, but businesses would be smart to look at ways
>> they can save electricity on their XP-powered PCs rather than worry about
>> what the new OS offers.
>
>
> So has there been an independent study on the cost savings of using power
> management modes versus having to replace hard drives (and the
> manufacturing pollution therefrom) due to thermal expansion/contraction
> and electrical stress due to startup surge current when cycling the hard
> drives on and off, say, every 30 minutes?

> But you're the trolling dimple-brained OP... the one who planted
> this pabulum as bait for his anti-MS advocacy.
>
> The idiot who wrote the article probably doesn't have a clue

I bet you drink a lot of coffee....


"David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
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>
> "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message...
>
>> I would fire you for your reply to my post
>
> But you're the trolling dimple-brained OP... the one who planted
> this pabulum as bait for his anti-MS advocacy.
>
> The idiot who wrote the article probably doesn't have a clue that
> anyone who wants to cut desktop PC problems in half, begins by
> disabling all power management features.
>
>
>
>> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:eWng3s9cHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > No company would get Vista just for it's 'green' features.. the guy
>> > writing that stuff was probably told to get something ready for print
>> > or
>> > he would be fired..
>
>

Yes and then there is the security angle too

http://perceptionanalyzer.typepad.co...rds_for_c.html

kirk jim wrote:

> resist the vista hype through education!
>
> http://computerworld.com/action/arti...intsrc=hm_list
>
> March 30, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Microsoft Corp. may have tooted the public
> relations horn about Vista's power-saving features, said a Gartner Inc.
> analyst this week, but businesses would be smart to look at ways they can
> save electricity on their XP-powered PCs rather than worry about what the
> new OS offers.
>
> Earlier this month, Microsoft announced the results of tests by U.K.-based
> PC Pro Labs that said Vista's improved power management features could
> reduce carbon emissions for a business with 200 PCs by 45 tons annually, and
> save the company $90.50 per PC per year in electricity costs.
>
> "Before embarking on an expensive Vista upgrade to achieve green benefits,
> businesses should spend a much smaller amount on a broad-based education and
> training program to help staff understand why saving energy is important to
> the business," Gartner analyst Simon Mingay wrote in a research note this
> week.
>
> "Our research shows that most users respond very positively when education
> and behavioral changes are part of a broad program to save energy and cut
> carbon dioxide emissions," Mingay said.
>
> Mingay said businesses could reap about the same savings in electricity and
> carbon dioxide emissions with XP-based systems by educating users on that
> operating system's management features. He recommended that companies remind
> users to shut down PCs after hours, and show them how to remove screen
> savers and put monitors into stand-by mode after 10 minutes of inactivity.
>
> "People and process changes are harder to make than technology changes, but
> go much deeper and will have impacts beyond any Windows upgrade," said
> Mingay. "Businesses shouldn't justify upgrading to Vista just because of
> improved power management."
>
> Microsoft has posted guides to using Windows XP's power management tools on
> its Web site, including one from 2002.
>
>

"kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message news:Op2tA6JdHHA.4888@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > But you're the trolling dimple-brained OP... the one who planted
> > this pabulum as bait for his anti-MS advocacy.
> >
> > The idiot who wrote the article probably doesn't have a clue

> I bet you drink a lot of coffee....

Then you would be the loser you appear to be here.


> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <findme@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm> wrote in message
> news:ZFJPh.3092$i93.1246@trnddc05...
> >
> > "kirk jim" <11@11.11> wrote in message...
> >
> >> I would fire you for your reply to my post
> >
> > But you're the trolling dimple-brained OP... the one who planted
> > this pabulum as bait for his anti-MS advocacy.
> >
> > The idiot who wrote the article probably doesn't have a clue that
> > anyone who wants to cut desktop PC problems in half, begins by
> > disabling all power management features.
> >
> >
> >
> >> "Mike Hall - MS MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >> news:eWng3s9cHHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > No company would get Vista just for it's 'green' features.. the guy
> >> > writing that stuff was probably told to get something ready for print
> >> > or
> >> > he would be fired..
> >
> >
>
>