Vista - There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1

Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so they
can use it...

Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.


http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/

There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was told
not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a deal as it
was for Windows XP.

That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days. Why
dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service pack,
when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?

Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:

"Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael Sievert,
corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they have a different
level of importance today as people get their updates in real-time using
Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a transcript of a conference
call he held Monday with financial analysts.

As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service pack
for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service Pack 1,
which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte download was
designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows XP's overall
performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S. Department of Justice
mandates.

Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as big as
266 MB, depending on your setup.

This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1 before I
upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."

A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to lag
behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from readers
who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista pre-installed,
and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a printer or scanner --
doesn't work with it.

On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.

Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I installed
Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older Linksys WUSB54GS
USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have Vista drivers for this
version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are only available for 2.0), so I
worried that I would have to get a new adapter.

But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the Windows
XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the drivers. The
adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've mentioned before that
Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon all-in-one printer, which was a
pleasant discovery.

(The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It basically
said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in Vista.)

If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
issues, not to wait for a service pack.

Waiting for a release of Windows first Service Pack I think should be
considered an ancient tradition. Service Packs are just a collection of past
updates. I think Service Pack 2 for XP really changed a lot of IT peoples
perception of Windows and Service Packs, it was a necessary release that was
a major release and made desparate architectual changes to the system that
were necessary to ease the on slaught of attacks that plagued it from 2003.

Much of that security was promised for Vista and is available in it today
with additional improvements such as UAC, IE 7 protected mode, Standard
Accounts.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:udPQnbZdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so
> they can use it...
>
> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.
>
>
> http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/
>
> There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
> During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was
> told not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a deal
> as it was for Windows XP.
>
> That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days.
> Why dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service
> pack, when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?
>
> Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:
>
> "Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael
> Sievert, corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they have a
> different level of importance today as people get their updates in
> real-time using Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a transcript
> of a conference call he held Monday with financial analysts.
>
> As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service
> pack for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service
> Pack 1, which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte
> download was designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows XP's
> overall performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S. Department of
> Justice mandates.
>
> Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as big
> as 266 MB, depending on your setup.
>
> This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1 before
> I upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."
>
> A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to
> lag behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from
> readers who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista
> pre-installed, and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a printer
> or scanner -- doesn't work with it.
>
> On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
> actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.
>
> Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I installed
> Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older Linksys WUSB54GS
> USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have Vista drivers for this
> version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are only available for 2.0), so
> I worried that I would have to get a new adapter.
>
> But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the
> Windows XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the drivers.
> The adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've mentioned before
> that Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon all-in-one printer, which
> was a pleasant discovery.
>
> (The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
> potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It
> basically said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in Vista.)
>
> If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
> issues, not to wait for a service pack.
>

Ancient tradition? Tell that to corporate america who is waiting for service
packs or even s waiting for the next os (vienna) to come out to upgrade to
vista.

Ask most IT people who work in big companies.. they will tell you that they
wont even go near an OS that hasnt at least one service pack.


"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OMG%23V2ZdHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Waiting for a release of Windows first Service Pack I think should be
> considered an ancient tradition. Service Packs are just a collection of
> past updates. I think Service Pack 2 for XP really changed a lot of IT
> peoples perception of Windows and Service Packs, it was a necessary
> release that was a major release and made desparate architectual changes
> to the system that were necessary to ease the on slaught of attacks that
> plagued it from 2003.
>
> Much of that security was promised for Vista and is available in it today
> with additional improvements such as UAC, IE 7 protected mode, Standard
> Accounts.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> "jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:udPQnbZdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so
>> they can use it...
>>
>> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/
>>
>> There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
>> During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was
>> told not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a deal
>> as it was for Windows XP.
>>
>> That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days.
>> Why dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service
>> pack, when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?
>>
>> Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:
>>
>> "Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael
>> Sievert, corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they have
>> a different level of importance today as people get their updates in
>> real-time using Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a transcript
>> of a conference call he held Monday with financial analysts.
>>
>> As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service
>> pack for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service
>> Pack 1, which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte
>> download was designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows XP's
>> overall performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S. Department of
>> Justice mandates.
>>
>> Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as big
>> as 266 MB, depending on your setup.
>>
>> This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1
>> before I upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."
>>
>> A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to
>> lag behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from
>> readers who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista
>> pre-installed, and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a printer
>> or scanner -- doesn't work with it.
>>
>> On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
>> actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.
>>
>> Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I installed
>> Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older Linksys WUSB54GS
>> USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have Vista drivers for
>> this version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are only available for
>> 2.0), so I worried that I would have to get a new adapter.
>>
>> But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the
>> Windows XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the drivers.
>> The adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've mentioned before
>> that Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon all-in-one printer, which
>> was a pleasant discovery.
>>
>> (The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
>> potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It
>> basically said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in Vista.)
>>
>> If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
>> issues, not to wait for a service pack.
>>
>
>

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:13:03 +0300, jim kirk wrote:

> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so they
> can use it...
>
> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.

I don't see how any of what you posted means Vista is doomed. If you want a
service pack then gather all the patches over one year and slipstream them
into a Vista install disk and call it SP1.

Semantics. They just want fixes. It doesn't need to be "called" a service
pack to be fixes.

-Frank

"jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:OTLMH6ZdHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ancient tradition? Tell that to corporate america who is waiting for
> service packs or even s waiting for the next os (vienna) to come out to
> upgrade to vista.
>
> Ask most IT people who work in big companies.. they will tell you that
> they wont even go near an OS that hasnt at least one service pack.
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OMG%23V2ZdHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Waiting for a release of Windows first Service Pack I think should be
>> considered an ancient tradition. Service Packs are just a collection of
>> past updates. I think Service Pack 2 for XP really changed a lot of IT
>> peoples perception of Windows and Service Packs, it was a necessary
>> release that was a major release and made desparate architectual changes
>> to the system that were necessary to ease the on slaught of attacks that
>> plagued it from 2003.
>>
>> Much of that security was promised for Vista and is available in it today
>> with additional improvements such as UAC, IE 7 protected mode, Standard
>> Accounts.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>> "jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
>> news:udPQnbZdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so
>>> they can use it...
>>>
>>> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/
>>>
>>> There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
>>> During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was
>>> told not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a
>>> deal as it was for Windows XP.
>>>
>>> That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days.
>>> Why dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service
>>> pack, when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?
>>>
>>> Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:
>>>
>>> "Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael
>>> Sievert, corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they have
>>> a different level of importance today as people get their updates in
>>> real-time using Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a transcript
>>> of a conference call he held Monday with financial analysts.
>>>
>>> As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service
>>> pack for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service
>>> Pack 1, which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte
>>> download was designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows
>>> XP's overall performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S. Department
>>> of Justice mandates.
>>>
>>> Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as
>>> big as 266 MB, depending on your setup.
>>>
>>> This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1
>>> before I upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."
>>>
>>> A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to
>>> lag behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from
>>> readers who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista
>>> pre-installed, and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a
>>> printer or scanner -- doesn't work with it.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
>>> actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.
>>>
>>> Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I installed
>>> Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older Linksys
>>> WUSB54GS USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have Vista
>>> drivers for this version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are only
>>> available for 2.0), so I worried that I would have to get a new adapter.
>>>
>>> But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the
>>> Windows XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the
>>> drivers. The adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've
>>> mentioned before that Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon
>>> all-in-one printer, which was a pleasant discovery.
>>>
>>> (The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
>>> potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It
>>> basically said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in
>>> Vista.)
>>>
>>> If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
>>> issues, not to wait for a service pack.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Thats why its an ancient tradition, Vista is not XP. They are architectually
different from a Security stand point.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:OTLMH6ZdHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ancient tradition? Tell that to corporate america who is waiting for
> service packs or even s waiting for the next os (vienna) to come out to
> upgrade to vista.
>
> Ask most IT people who work in big companies.. they will tell you that
> they wont even go near an OS that hasnt at least one service pack.
>
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OMG%23V2ZdHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Waiting for a release of Windows first Service Pack I think should be
>> considered an ancient tradition. Service Packs are just a collection of
>> past updates. I think Service Pack 2 for XP really changed a lot of IT
>> peoples perception of Windows and Service Packs, it was a necessary
>> release that was a major release and made desparate architectual changes
>> to the system that were necessary to ease the on slaught of attacks that
>> plagued it from 2003.
>>
>> Much of that security was promised for Vista and is available in it today
>> with additional improvements such as UAC, IE 7 protected mode, Standard
>> Accounts.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>> "jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
>> news:udPQnbZdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so
>>> they can use it...
>>>
>>> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/
>>>
>>> There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
>>> During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was
>>> told not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a
>>> deal as it was for Windows XP.
>>>
>>> That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days.
>>> Why dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service
>>> pack, when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?
>>>
>>> Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:
>>>
>>> "Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael
>>> Sievert, corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they have
>>> a different level of importance today as people get their updates in
>>> real-time using Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a transcript
>>> of a conference call he held Monday with financial analysts.
>>>
>>> As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service
>>> pack for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service
>>> Pack 1, which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte
>>> download was designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows
>>> XP's overall performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S. Department
>>> of Justice mandates.
>>>
>>> Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as
>>> big as 266 MB, depending on your setup.
>>>
>>> This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1
>>> before I upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."
>>>
>>> A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to
>>> lag behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from
>>> readers who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista
>>> pre-installed, and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a
>>> printer or scanner -- doesn't work with it.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
>>> actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.
>>>
>>> Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I installed
>>> Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older Linksys
>>> WUSB54GS USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have Vista
>>> drivers for this version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are only
>>> available for 2.0), so I worried that I would have to get a new adapter.
>>>
>>> But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the
>>> Windows XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the
>>> drivers. The adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've
>>> mentioned before that Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon
>>> all-in-one printer, which was a pleasant discovery.
>>>
>>> (The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
>>> potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It
>>> basically said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in
>>> Vista.)
>>>
>>> If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
>>> issues, not to wait for a service pack.
>>>
>>
>>
>

"jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
news:OTLMH6ZdHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ancient tradition? Tell that to corporate america who is waiting for
> service packs or even s waiting for the next os (vienna) to come out to
> upgrade to vista.
>
> Ask most IT people who work in big companies.. they will tell you that
> they wont even go near an OS that hasnt at least one service pack.

Those statements are completely bogus. Some do as you suggest. No doubt.
However, not all and certainly not "most".

For real. We distribute MS patches within a week, usually, of their release.
And we have 300K clients out there. That's pretty "big."

I agree with Andre... SP's are old school, especially when it comes to
enterprise computing.

Lang

"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote in message
news:zLWdnUhW38o5UIzbnZ2dnUVZ_q2pnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Semantics. They just want fixes. It doesn't need to be "called" a service
> pack to be fixes.
>
> -Frank
>
> "jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:OTLMH6ZdHHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Ancient tradition? Tell that to corporate america who is waiting for
>> service packs or even s waiting for the next os (vienna) to come out to
>> upgrade to vista.
>>
>> Ask most IT people who work in big companies.. they will tell you that
>> they wont even go near an OS that hasnt at least one service pack.
>>
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OMG%23V2ZdHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Waiting for a release of Windows first Service Pack I think should be
>>> considered an ancient tradition. Service Packs are just a collection of
>>> past updates. I think Service Pack 2 for XP really changed a lot of IT
>>> peoples perception of Windows and Service Packs, it was a necessary
>>> release that was a major release and made desparate architectual changes
>>> to the system that were necessary to ease the on slaught of attacks that
>>> plagued it from 2003.
>>>
>>> Much of that security was promised for Vista and is available in it
>>> today with additional improvements such as UAC, IE 7 protected mode,
>>> Standard Accounts.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>> "jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
>>> news:udPQnbZdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so
>>>> they can use it...
>>>>
>>>> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/
>>>>
>>>> There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
>>>> During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was
>>>> told not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a
>>>> deal as it was for Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days.
>>>> Why dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service
>>>> pack, when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?
>>>>
>>>> Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:
>>>>
>>>> "Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael
>>>> Sievert, corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they
>>>> have a different level of importance today as people get their updates
>>>> in real-time using Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a
>>>> transcript of a conference call he held Monday with financial analysts.
>>>>
>>>> As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service
>>>> pack for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service
>>>> Pack 1, which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte
>>>> download was designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows
>>>> XP's overall performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S.
>>>> Department of Justice mandates.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as
>>>> big as 266 MB, depending on your setup.
>>>>
>>>> This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1
>>>> before I upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."
>>>>
>>>> A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to
>>>> lag behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from
>>>> readers who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista
>>>> pre-installed, and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a
>>>> printer or scanner -- doesn't work with it.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
>>>> actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.
>>>>
>>>> Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I
>>>> installed Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older
>>>> Linksys WUSB54GS USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have
>>>> Vista drivers for this version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are
>>>> only available for 2.0), so I worried that I would have to get a new
>>>> adapter.
>>>>
>>>> But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the
>>>> Windows XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the
>>>> drivers. The adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've
>>>> mentioned before that Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon
>>>> all-in-one printer, which was a pleasant discovery.
>>>>
>>>> (The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
>>>> potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It
>>>> basically said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in
>>>> Vista.)
>>>>
>>>> If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
>>>> issues, not to wait for a service pack.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

In full agreement, Andre. SP's are old school, especially when it comes to
enterprise computing.

Lang

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OMG%23V2ZdHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Waiting for a release of Windows first Service Pack I think should be
> considered an ancient tradition. Service Packs are just a collection of
> past updates. I think Service Pack 2 for XP really changed a lot of IT
> peoples perception of Windows and Service Packs, it was a necessary
> release that was a major release and made desparate architectual changes
> to the system that were necessary to ease the on slaught of attacks that
> plagued it from 2003.
>
> Much of that security was promised for Vista and is available in it today
> with additional improvements such as UAC, IE 7 protected mode, Standard
> Accounts.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> "jim kirk" <11@11.11> wrote in message
> news:udPQnbZdHHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Its funny because everyone is expective a service pack to fix vista so
>> they can use it...
>>
>> Now it seems that vista is.... doomed.
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.chron.com/techblog/arch...windows_vista/
>>
>> There may be no point in waiting for Vista's Service Pack 1
>> During interviews with Microsoft honchos during this year's CES, I was
>> told not to expect Windows Vista's first service pack to be as big a deal
>> as it was for Windows XP.
>>
>> That's because of the way Microsoft is using Windows Update these days.
>> Why dump a boatload of new code into Windows all at once with a service
>> pack, when Microsoft can slowly morph it over time?
>>
>> Now a top Microsoft executive has reiterated this:
>>
>> "Will we continue to have service packs? Yes we will," said Michael
>> Sievert, corporate VP for Windows marketing at Microsoft. "But they have
>> a different level of importance today as people get their updates in
>> real-time using Windows Update," said Sievert, according to a transcript
>> of a conference call he held Monday with financial analysts.
>>
>> As a result, Sievert said Microsoft won't release a "big bang" service
>> pack for Windows Vista similar in size and scope to Windows XP Service
>> Pack 1, which was issued in 2002 with mixed results. That 30-Mbyte
>> download was designed to patch major security holes, improve Windows XP's
>> overall performance, and help Microsoft comply with U.S. Department of
>> Justice mandates.
>>
>> Hey, 30 MB was nothing compared to the size of SP2, which could be as big
>> as 266 MB, depending on your setup.
>>
>> This should give pause to those who say, "I'm waiting for Vista SP1
>> before I upgrade or get a new PC with Vista on it."
>>
>> A bigger issue, though, is driver support. Too many vendors continue to
>> lag behind in releasing Vista drivers. I hear several times a week from
>> readers who are frustrated because they've bought a new PC with Vista
>> pre-installed, and some peripheral they want to keep -- usually a printer
>> or scanner -- doesn't work with it.
>>
>> On the other hand, I'm also surprised at the number of drivers that are
>> actually built in to Vista, or that XP drivers will sometimes work.
>>
>> Friday, as part of a review for my Tuesday Computing column, I installed
>> Vista on a Gateway FX530XT Gaming PC. I'm using an older Linksys WUSB54GS
>> USB-based Wi-Fi adapter on it. Linksys doesn't have Vista drivers for
>> this version of the adapter (it's 1.0; drivers are only available for
>> 2.0), so I worried that I would have to get a new adapter.
>>
>> But when I installed it, I was surprised to find that either a.) the
>> Windows XP drivers continued to work; or b.) Vista came with the drivers.
>> The adapter connected perfectly to my home network. I've mentioned before
>> that Vista has built-in drivers for my Canon all-in-one printer, which
>> was a pleasant discovery.
>>
>> (The Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, which scans your PC and reports on
>> potential issues, indicated ambiguity with the Linksys device. It
>> basically said it didn't know what would happen to the adapter in Vista.)
>>
>> If I were holding off on a Vista upgrade, it would be because of driver
>> issues, not to wait for a service pack.
>>
>
>

jim kirk wrote:
> Ancient tradition? Tell that to corporate america who is waiting for
> service packs or even s waiting for the next os (vienna) to come out to
> upgrade to vista.
>
> Ask most IT people who work in big companies.. they will tell you that
> they wont even go near an OS that hasnt at least one service pack.
>
How many IT's is it that you speak for?
Well...
Frank