Vista - UAC Baby out with the bathwater

I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the restof it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !
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/keepout@yahoo.com.invalid/ said:
> I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..
>
> I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
> And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
> 69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.
>
> I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.
>
> This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it worth ?
>
> Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !

Two things to try...

Right-click on the program, choose PROPERTIES|COMPATIBILITY tab and
check the "run as administrator" box.

If still no go, try uninstalling the program, the enabling UAC and
installing once again.

"dev" <dev@null.invalid> wrote
> /keepout@yahoo.com.invalid/ said:
>> I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep
>> turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..
>>
>> I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
>> And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
>> 69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.
>>
>> I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't
>> bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.
>>
>> This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1
>> simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest
>> of it worth ?
>>
>> Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
>> ALL THE TIME !
>
> Two things to try...
>
> Right-click on the program, choose PROPERTIES|COMPATIBILITY tab and
> check the "run as administrator" box.
>
> If still no go, try uninstalling the program, the enabling UAC and
> installing once again.

Checking run as administrator will result in it always prompting. Anything
run as administrator at startup will trigger this. The way to do it, if the
program can run without admin privileges, is to uncheck run as
administrator.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote
> I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning
> it off until I reboot after turning it on..

> I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
> And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
> 69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

> I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother
> me on this one again] toggle, but there
> isn't one.

> This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple
> leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it
> worth ?

> Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
> ALL THE TIME !

There is no way to allow the program to run. Any program that needs admin
privileges or for which you check Run as Administrator at startup will
trigger this need to be unblocked. The purpose of the prompt is to ensure
that this time you intended this program to run.

I found your logic hard to understand. So you would give up the protection
of UAC ( and hence IE no longer running in protected mode) just because of
one program? Why not get rid of it; use something else that doesn't require
admin privileges? Check for a Vista upgrade?

Another option is to take a look at this.
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/index...-in-Vista.html

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

The question you need to ask the developer of Popfile is why does this small
program that checks e-mail for spam need to have unlimited access to my
entire computer? Any program that is granted this unrestricted system wide
access is always vulnerable to malicious code that can "piggy-back" and
gain the same access rights that you have given that program.

See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
UAC off.

Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/index...-in-Vista.html


--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning
it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother
me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple
leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it
worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL
THE TIME !
--
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:28:35 -0700, "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote:

>The question you need to ask the developer of Popfile is why does this small
>program that checks e-mail for spam need to have unlimited access to my
>entire computer? Any program that is granted this unrestricted system wide
>access is always vulnerable to malicious code that can "piggy-back" and
>gain the same access rights that you have given that program.
>
>See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
>UAC off.
>
>Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
>http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/index...-in-Vista.html

Hence the title of the post. I have no control with User Access Control of what runs on my machine without asking the machines permission.
It's all or nothing with UAC.
All I want is for it to run when I boot without having to tell the machine the same thing boot after boot. Doesn't give me much confidence in it's security that it can neither remember, or set some toggle to tellit THIS one's fine.
Last update was 2004. One of those few programs that doesn't add bloat ware year after year for the express purpose of emptying your pockets.
It was actually at 97% accuracy from it's 1st version.
No I'm not throwing out popfile until I find a spam sorter with 100% accuracy. Though I think popfile is at 100% now.
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Windows Mail is really pretty good at sorting out junk mail and moving it to junk mail folder.
its setting are adjustable and you can even add/remove from its trigger lists.
why not give it a try and drop popfile to se if it is a livable situation.



mikeyhsd@comcast.net



<keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:8cv513t5n64poquer61lu7ihta2pp742n5@4ax.com...
I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..

I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.

I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.

This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it worth ?

Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !
--
more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index.html

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:28:35 -0700, "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote:

>See the following website for a way to resolve this problem without turning
>UAC off.
>
>Unblocking Elevated Startup Programs in Vista:
>http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/index...-in-Vista.html
>

Ronnie, many thanks for posting that link!

Doug M. in NJ

My issue is not that there is one "third party" program that doesnt play with
vista. The problem i have with Vista is that everyone says "well if a
program doesnt work with vista, just get rid of the program"
That logic is ridiculous. The whole point of technologies like http and xml
etc.. is for an eventual universal compatibility. When you buy a new
machine, you have very few options about what OS its going to have on it. As
tech-people we have a few more options, but the average home user doesnt.
Should we let MS dicatate every program we can run or not? sounds like
something they had a few law suits over a few years back. I have to admit,
its a neat trick if that is what they are doing. "Hey lets fix UAC so that
any competition we have causes a warning to pop up. then tell everyone they
should just buy different software."

I have the same pop-up issue on my vista box but not with a 3rd party
software. if i have UAC on, I get a notice every single time I need my
MICROSOFT live meeting client to turn on. I also have a hot-fix that is for
xp that vista keeps trying to install on my machine and I get prompted about
it every log-on. A way to attach a final "yes!! I ALWAYS want this file to
run!" onto a file would be nice.

Telling people to just deal with it is the type of mentality that is giving
OS like linux etc.. fast growing popularity.

Happy Wednesday all!


"mikeyhsd" wrote:

> Windows Mail is really pretty good at sorting out junk mail and moving it to junk mail folder.
> its setting are adjustable and you can even add/remove from its trigger lists.
> why not give it a try and drop popfile to se if it is a livable situation.
>
>
>
> mikeyhsd@comcast.net
>
>
>
> <keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:8cv513t5n64poquer61lu7ihta2pp742n5@4ax.com...
> I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..
>
> I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
> And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
> 69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.
>
> I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't bother me on this one again] toggle, but there isn't one.
>
> This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1 simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest of it worth ?
>
> Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program ALL THE TIME !
> --
> more pix @ http://members.toast.net/cbminfo/index

He could always hammer the developer for a version designed for Vista.

Avast antivirus was acting the same with it's first Vista version. Within a
week they came out with another upgrade, one that really worked with Vista.
Problem solved.

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Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> <keepout@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote
>> I've been following threads on UAC, and keep forgetting why I keep
>> turning it off until I reboot after turning it on..
>
>> I have 1 program - popfile in my startups. 97% accurate spam sorter.
>> And every time I boot, I have to additionally tell UAC to let it run.
>> 69 processes, and popfile is the only questionable one.
>
>> I tell it to boot because I know where it came from , Need a [don't
>> bother me on this one again] toggle, but there
>> isn't one.
>
>> This right here is why I keep turning UAC off. If it can't handle 1
>> simple leave me alone on the same program over and over.. What's the rest
>> of it worth ?
>
>> Or maybe someone knows of another way to tell UAC to allow this program
>> ALL THE TIME !
>
> There is no way to allow the program to run. Any program that needs admin
> privileges or for which you check Run as Administrator at startup will
> trigger this need to be unblocked. The purpose of the prompt is to ensure
> that this time you intended this program to run.
>
> I found your logic hard to understand. So you would give up the
> protection of UAC ( and hence IE no longer running in protected mode) just
> because of one program? Why not get rid of it; use something else that
> doesn't require admin privileges? Check for a Vista upgrade?
>
> Another option is to take a look at this.
> http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/index...-in-Vista.html
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]