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ok so is this legal?

  1. #21


    Colin Barnhorst Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    Thanks!

    "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
    news:e0rUhPggHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >> Yes.
    >>
    >> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
    >> news:uZ%23oVregHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>> Colin Barnhorst wrote:
    >>>> Are you licensed to sell OEM software? If you aren't then adding
    >>>> hardware makes no difference. Anyway, you already have it up for sale
    >>>> so why are you asking now? If you want a legal opinion on such an
    >>>> offering then contact your local Microsoft office for binding advice.
    >>>> Otherwise, just sell it. I don't think you are in any trouble.
    >>>>
    >>>> "jacky" <startrek.jackson@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
    >>>> news:E2D7D8E6-DA1E-4353-B9C5-CFA9789D867B@microsoft.com...
    >>>>> ok so i have put my copy of vista on ebay (
    >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5056&rd=1&rd=1 )
    >>>>> with a complitant piece of hardware. so does this make this ok to
    >>>>> sell?
    >>>>
    >>> Colin, as a matter of curiosity, is a local ms office able to offer
    >>> binding advice on legal matters? Are they actually law offices and
    >>> licensed to provide legal advice? Thanks.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> norm

    >>

    > Interesting to know. Thanks. And glad you are feeling better.
    >
    >
    > --
    > norm



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  3. #22


    Martin Vaupell Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    >
    > I've done it before...I think the key is telling them I bought it over the
    > counter at a local store which I did, with no qualifying hardware.
    > Joe Bloggs probably hasn't even heard of the differences between OEM &
    > retail versions.
    > Works for me everytime & i'm being 100% honest in the answers i give them.
    >


    Agree no problem moveing OEM when you phone MS, and tell them
    where, how and when.. or what they might ask.

    Also running a OEM version, they usually allow 1-2 Major upgrades before
    they wont let me have a new s/n. (how it worked for Xp)
    For vista ive only done this once so far.

    But the OEM i got, was also over the counter. at the 1/5 of the "normal"
    price.
    But then again after 2 major upgrades im gonna need to purchase a new s/n
    since they only allow the first 1-2 upgrades..

    Major upgrades could be
    - Motherboard/
    - Cpu
    - Gpu
    - Harddrive (only registered on activation C: drive)

    Minor upgrades with no difficulties are from experience
    - Networking equipement in general.
    - Harddrives (besides C: drive Not registered with activation)
    - And what else equipment you might find usefull for your "private" system
    By private its not a issue as in if it is a Commercial use.
    Com use no major upgrades allowed. $$$


    Let the money train roll along..

    Martin


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  4. #23


    Justin Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    MS isn't supposed to talk to you about an OEM license. You're supposed to
    call your vendor about it.

    This just goes to show that MS tech support has their heads where the sun
    don't shine.



    "Martin Vaupell" <Eqvaliser@MSN.dk> wrote in message
    news:uWkRGgsgHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > >
    >> I've done it before...I think the key is telling them I bought it over
    >> the counter at a local store which I did, with no qualifying hardware.
    >> Joe Bloggs probably hasn't even heard of the differences between OEM &
    >> retail versions.
    >> Works for me everytime & i'm being 100% honest in the answers i give
    >> them.
    >>

    >
    > Agree no problem moveing OEM when you phone MS, and tell them
    > where, how and when.. or what they might ask.
    >
    > Also running a OEM version, they usually allow 1-2 Major upgrades before
    > they wont let me have a new s/n. (how it worked for Xp)
    > For vista ive only done this once so far.
    >
    > But the OEM i got, was also over the counter. at the 1/5 of the "normal"
    > price.
    > But then again after 2 major upgrades im gonna need to purchase a new s/n
    > since they only allow the first 1-2 upgrades..
    >
    > Major upgrades could be
    > - Motherboard/
    > - Cpu
    > - Gpu
    > - Harddrive (only registered on activation C: drive)
    >
    > Minor upgrades with no difficulties are from experience
    > - Networking equipement in general.
    > - Harddrives (besides C: drive Not registered with activation)
    > - And what else equipment you might find usefull for your "private" system
    > By private its not a issue as in if it is a Commercial use.
    > Com use no major upgrades allowed. $$$
    >
    >
    > Let the money train roll along..
    >
    > Martin



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  5. #24


    David A. Spicer Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    LUCKY? Luck has nothing to do with it. In all the years that I've been using
    XP (since RTM), I've used the same OEM CD and I've upgraded the motherboard
    and CPU (by definition a new computer) about once a year. I just called the
    M$ Activation Center and they activated it for me, very few questions asked.
    Other than the phone number, I doubt Vista activation is any different.
    --------------------
    My other TIME/SPACE machine is a TARDIS <<=- '...and with that cryptic
    comment I'm off to bed' Stop with your lies. Reality is what I say it is.
    Going back to the origin is called peace... Any sufficiently advanced
    technology looks like magic.



    "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in message
    news:usPZloggHHA.284@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > Then you got VERY LUCKY. You can not move the OEM version from machine to
    > machine. Regardless of you removing it or not.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Otto Normalverbraucher" <Otto@Normalverbraucher.com> wrote in message
    > news%vVh.4293$kb4.3315@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
    >> Justin wrote:
    >>> "jacky" <startrek.jackson@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
    >>> news:E2D7D8E6-DA1E-4353-B9C5-CFA9789D867B@microsoft.com...
    >>>> ok so i have put my copy of vista on ebay (
    >>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5056&rd=1&rd=1 )
    >>>> with a complitant piece of hardware. so does this make this ok to sell?
    >>>
    >>> Did you already activate it? If so then the new owner is in for a world
    >>> of hurt.

    >>
    >> I bought ultimate for my last laptop & activated it & used it.
    >> Sold the laptop after putting XP back on it & installed the same Vista on
    >> my new laptop (Vista home premium came with the new machine in the form
    >> of a restore disk but it installs all the bundled rubbish).
    >>
    >> Had to do a phone activation but just told them I had changed laptops &
    >> removed it from the old, which I had.
    >> Also, this is a OEM disc, they asked how I bought it & told them the
    >> truth, over the counter at a local store.
    >>
    >> Had no problems activating, was up & running in 10 mins.
    >>
    >>


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  6. #25


    Not Me Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    I always buy my OEM CDs with a computer case.
    As far as I am concerned, whatever I put inside the case is the same
    computer.
    I have also updated MBs and CPUs and had to phone activate.
    Initially there was little resistance to it.
    Lately, they have started asking questions.
    But as I read the EULA, as long as I continue to use the 'major component'
    that I bought the disk with, it's legal.

    "David A. Spicer" <xp_fan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90C97604-C24F-434B-8CDA-D3179DD5F2CB@microsoft.com...
    > LUCKY? Luck has nothing to do with it. In all the years that I've been
    > using XP (since RTM), I've used the same OEM CD and I've upgraded the
    > motherboard and CPU (by definition a new computer) about once a year. I
    > just called the M$ Activation Center and they activated it for me, very
    > few questions asked. Other than the phone number, I doubt Vista activation
    > is any different.
    > --------------------
    > My other TIME/SPACE machine is a TARDIS <<=- '...and with that cryptic
    > comment I'm off to bed' Stop with your lies. Reality is what I say it is.
    > Going back to the origin is called peace... Any sufficiently advanced
    > technology looks like magic.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in message
    > news:usPZloggHHA.284@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> Then you got VERY LUCKY. You can not move the OEM version from machine
    >> to machine. Regardless of you removing it or not.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Otto Normalverbraucher" <Otto@Normalverbraucher.com> wrote in message
    >> news%vVh.4293$kb4.3315@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
    >>> Justin wrote:
    >>>> "jacky" <startrek.jackson@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
    >>>> news:E2D7D8E6-DA1E-4353-B9C5-CFA9789D867B@microsoft.com...
    >>>>> ok so i have put my copy of vista on ebay (
    >>>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5056&rd=1&rd=1 )
    >>>>> with a complitant piece of hardware. so does this make this ok to
    >>>>> sell?
    >>>>
    >>>> Did you already activate it? If so then the new owner is in for a
    >>>> world of hurt.
    >>>
    >>> I bought ultimate for my last laptop & activated it & used it.
    >>> Sold the laptop after putting XP back on it & installed the same Vista
    >>> on my new laptop (Vista home premium came with the new machine in the
    >>> form of a restore disk but it installs all the bundled rubbish).
    >>>
    >>> Had to do a phone activation but just told them I had changed laptops &
    >>> removed it from the old, which I had.
    >>> Also, this is a OEM disc, they asked how I bought it & told them the
    >>> truth, over the counter at a local store.
    >>>
    >>> Had no problems activating, was up & running in 10 mins.
    >>>
    >>>




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  7. #26


    Justin Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    "David A. Spicer" <xp_fan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:90C97604-C24F-434B-8CDA-D3179DD5F2CB@microsoft.com...
    > LUCKY? Luck has nothing to do with it. In all the years that I've been
    > using XP (since RTM).


    Who's talking about XP? Think Vista.


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  8. #27


    Alias Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    Justin wrote:
    > MS isn't supposed to talk to you about an OEM license. You're supposed
    > to call your vendor about it.
    >
    > This just goes to show that MS tech support has their heads where the
    > sun don't shine.


    Um, OEMs don't do activation, MS does. So, where is your head?

    Alias
    >
    >
    >
    > "Martin Vaupell" <Eqvaliser@MSN.dk> wrote in message
    > news:uWkRGgsgHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> >
    >>> I've done it before...I think the key is telling them I bought it
    >>> over the counter at a local store which I did, with no qualifying
    >>> hardware.
    >>> Joe Bloggs probably hasn't even heard of the differences between OEM
    >>> & retail versions.
    >>> Works for me everytime & i'm being 100% honest in the answers i give
    >>> them.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Agree no problem moveing OEM when you phone MS, and tell them
    >> where, how and when.. or what they might ask.
    >>
    >> Also running a OEM version, they usually allow 1-2 Major upgrades before
    >> they wont let me have a new s/n. (how it worked for Xp)
    >> For vista ive only done this once so far.
    >>
    >> But the OEM i got, was also over the counter. at the 1/5 of the
    >> "normal" price.
    >> But then again after 2 major upgrades im gonna need to purchase a new s/n
    >> since they only allow the first 1-2 upgrades..
    >>
    >> Major upgrades could be
    >> - Motherboard/
    >> - Cpu
    >> - Gpu
    >> - Harddrive (only registered on activation C: drive)
    >>
    >> Minor upgrades with no difficulties are from experience
    >> - Networking equipement in general.
    >> - Harddrives (besides C: drive Not registered with activation)
    >> - And what else equipment you might find usefull for your "private"
    >> system
    >> By private its not a issue as in if it is a Commercial use.
    >> Com use no major upgrades allowed. $$$
    >>
    >>
    >> Let the money train roll along..
    >>
    >> Martin

    >


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  9. #28


    Alun Harford Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    Bruce Chambers wrote:
    > "jacky" <startrek.jackson@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:E2D7D8E6-DA1E-4353-B9C5-CFA9789D867B@microsoft.com...
    >> ok so i have put my copy of vista on ebay (
    >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5056&rd=1&rd=1
    >> ) with a complitant piece of hardware. so does this make this ok to sell?

    >
    >
    >
    > An OEM license? Has it ever been installed on any computer? Did it
    > come with a new computer that you purchased? If the answer to any two
    > of these question is "Yes," then you may not legitimately sell it. An
    > OEM license, once installed, is not legitimately transferable to any
    > other computer under any circumstances.


    The OP is UK-based.

    While I'm not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice...

    He purchased the OEM software from a shop, and is subject to the
    contract given to him by the shop when he bought it.
    Unless he's signed a contact to agree not to sell it on, there's nothing
    Microsoft can do about that. Even if he installs it on his machine, and
    agrees to the EULA, the lack of consideration means that such a contract
    is not binding.

    The fact that the US has ridiculous laws to allow a company to present a
    license to you restricting what you can do with software AFTER you've
    bought it doesn't affect people based in the UK.

    Alun Harford

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  10. #29


    David A. Spicer Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    We're talking activation, so XP or Vista doesn't matter.
    --------------------
    Do you realize that if it weren't for Edison we'd be watching TV by
    candlelight?



    "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in message
    news:eBEkvo#gHHA.4516@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
    > "David A. Spicer" <xp_fan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:90C97604-C24F-434B-8CDA-D3179DD5F2CB@microsoft.com...
    >> LUCKY? Luck has nothing to do with it. In all the years that I've been
    >> using XP (since RTM).

    >
    > Who's talking about XP? Think Vista.



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  11. #30


    Justin Guest

    Re: ok so is this legal?

    "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
    news:f0cr6v$v8s$2@aioe.org...
    > Justin wrote:
    >> MS isn't supposed to talk to you about an OEM license. You're supposed
    >> to call your vendor about it.
    >>
    >> This just goes to show that MS tech support has their heads where the sun
    >> don't shine.

    >
    > Um, OEMs don't do activation, MS does. So, where is your head?


    Oh alias. You just keep stepping it!!! MS can tell by the key that it's
    OEM. Add the fact that the hardware changed and according to MS you are out
    of luck. The manufacture would have to clear that mess up. However just
    like XP, people are sneaking in changes under the radar.

    Keep trying alias, one of these days you're bound to step in something good.


    >
    > Alias
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Martin Vaupell" <Eqvaliser@MSN.dk> wrote in message
    >> news:uWkRGgsgHHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>> >
    >>>> I've done it before...I think the key is telling them I bought it over
    >>>> the counter at a local store which I did, with no qualifying hardware.
    >>>> Joe Bloggs probably hasn't even heard of the differences between OEM &
    >>>> retail versions.
    >>>> Works for me everytime & i'm being 100% honest in the answers i give
    >>>> them.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Agree no problem moveing OEM when you phone MS, and tell them
    >>> where, how and when.. or what they might ask.
    >>>
    >>> Also running a OEM version, they usually allow 1-2 Major upgrades before
    >>> they wont let me have a new s/n. (how it worked for Xp)
    >>> For vista ive only done this once so far.
    >>>
    >>> But the OEM i got, was also over the counter. at the 1/5 of the "normal"
    >>> price.
    >>> But then again after 2 major upgrades im gonna need to purchase a new
    >>> s/n
    >>> since they only allow the first 1-2 upgrades..
    >>>
    >>> Major upgrades could be
    >>> - Motherboard/
    >>> - Cpu
    >>> - Gpu
    >>> - Harddrive (only registered on activation C: drive)
    >>>
    >>> Minor upgrades with no difficulties are from experience
    >>> - Networking equipement in general.
    >>> - Harddrives (besides C: drive Not registered with activation)
    >>> - And what else equipment you might find usefull for your "private"
    >>> system
    >>> By private its not a issue as in if it is a Commercial use.
    >>> Com use no major upgrades allowed. $$$
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Let the money train roll along..
    >>>
    >>> Martin

    >>


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