Vista - Re: NVIDIA: "We Underestimated Necessary Resources for Vista Driver Development"

04-21-2007

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:09:10 -0400, No One
<aintnoway@blahblahblah.com> wrote:

>FoolsGold wrote:
>
>> joey wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:51:48 -0400, No One
>>> <aintnoway@blahblahblah.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> joey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:35:41 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <qgbg23119hmasf3gehe7uh4mapn0h6g43l@4ax.com>, joey says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:39:55 GMT, "babaloo" <fac187@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not the drivers that suck. It is Vista that sucks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spoken by a true technology expert (yawn).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not Vista that interacts with the video card. The code between
>>>>>>> the graphics system of the of an operating system and the driver is
>>>>>>> all the same. The driver lies between the OS and the video card, and
>>>>>>> the driver is where people are having problems. Drivers are written
>>>>>>> by video card vendors, not Microsoft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vista is the worst product every issued by Microsoft, an
>>>>>>>> unbelievable fiasco.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People said the same thing about XP at first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruling out graphics card drivers because we're not talking 3D
>>>>>> gaming....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just installed XP and apps etc on a XP1500 system with 512MB RAM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It boots, opens apps and runs faster than my X2 4800, 2GB system
>>>>>> with Vista on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was fkin disgusted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was specifically addressing the post by bubaloo or whatever, but to
>>>>> address the problem you're describing, that same phenomenon has
>>>>> occurred with every MS OS release since the early days of DOS.
>>>>> Win 95 didnt have the responsiveness that Win 3.1 had. Win 98 didn't
>>>>> load apps as fast as 95, and so on and so forth through XP.
>>>>>
>>>> NT 3.5 and 4 loaded things faster than Win 95 or 98, especially if
>>>> you threw more RAM at it. XP is slower than 2000. Vista slower still.
>>>
>>>
>>> And DOS runs faster than any of them on single threaded apps, maybe we
>>> all should downgrade.
>>
>>
>> DOS does not have the functionality that we require though, hence we use
>> newer operating systems. Convincing people to upgrade from XP to Vista
>> is tricky if the experience is slower without a SUFFICIENT gain in
>> functionality.
>
>
>I would go for a separation of the OS from the GUI (more like Linux and
>OS/2). Give me a version of Windows that is command line and doesnt'
>have all the GUI crap. Let me run my own GUI. At least back in Windows
>3.1 and NT 3.5 you could replace the Program Manager. I ran the Norton
>Desktop on NT until version 4. I prefer it over anything Microsoft has
>ever written.

Then why are you using XP right now? Think about it.

04-21-2007	#1 (permalink)
joey n/a posts	Re: NVIDIA: "We Underestimated Necessary Resources for Vista Driver Development" On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:09:10 -0400, No One <aintnoway@blahblahblah.com> wrote: >FoolsGold wrote: > >> joey wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:51:48 -0400, No One >>> <aintnoway@blahblahblah.com> wrote: >>> >>>> joey wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:35:41 +0100, Conor <conor.turton@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> In article <qgbg23119hmasf3gehe7uh4mapn0h6g43l@4ax.com>, joey says... >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:39:55 GMT, "babaloo" <fac187@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is not the drivers that suck. It is Vista that sucks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Spoken by a true technology expert (yawn). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not Vista that interacts with the video card. The code between >>>>>>> the graphics system of the of an operating system and the driver is >>>>>>> all the same. The driver lies between the OS and the video card, and >>>>>>> the driver is where people are having problems. Drivers are written >>>>>>> by video card vendors, not Microsoft. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vista is the worst product every issued by Microsoft, an >>>>>>>> unbelievable fiasco. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> People said the same thing about XP at first. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ruling out graphics card drivers because we're not talking 3D >>>>>> gaming.... >>>>>> >>>>>> I've just installed XP and apps etc on a XP1500 system with 512MB RAM. >>>>>> >>>>>> It boots, opens apps and runs faster than my X2 4800, 2GB system >>>>>> with Vista on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was fkin disgusted. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was specifically addressing the post by bubaloo or whatever, but to >>>>> address the problem you're describing, that same phenomenon has >>>>> occurred with every MS OS release since the early days of DOS. >>>>> Win 95 didnt have the responsiveness that Win 3.1 had. Win 98 didn't >>>>> load apps as fast as 95, and so on and so forth through XP. >>>>> >>>> NT 3.5 and 4 loaded things faster than Win 95 or 98, especially if >>>> you threw more RAM at it. XP is slower than 2000. Vista slower still. >>> >>> >>> And DOS runs faster than any of them on single threaded apps, maybe we >>> all should downgrade. >> >> >> DOS does not have the functionality that we require though, hence we use >> newer operating systems. Convincing people to upgrade from XP to Vista >> is tricky if the experience is slower without a SUFFICIENT gain in >> functionality. > > >I would go for a separation of the OS from the GUI (more like Linux and >OS/2). Give me a version of Windows that is command line and doesnt' >have all the GUI crap. Let me run my own GUI. At least back in Windows >3.1 and NT 3.5 you could replace the Program Manager. I ran the Norton >Desktop on NT until version 4. I prefer it over anything Microsoft has >ever written. Then why are you using XP right now? Think about it.
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