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Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

  1. #1


    DigitalBlade Guest

    Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
    is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
    that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
    be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    going down the Millenium path?


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  2. #2


    AMD Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    "DigitalBlade" <Yavor.Mishev@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1177390688.387475.281950@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
    > Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
    > is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    > and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
    > that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
    > be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    > heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    > going down the Millenium path?
    >


    Vista currently is extremly buggy. Networking does not work. Media sharing
    does not work correctly either with connecting and the music folders being
    listed and playing music in the correct order. the songs are not played in
    the correct order nor are they listefd in the correct order. So media
    sharing sucks and is completely broken. It is incompatible with a ton of
    stuff. Vista computers will a lot of times not boot after you install vista
    on a home made pc.

    It maybe should not be related to ME though. It's totally different. I never
    had problems with Me, but vista sure does not work for me at all. Good thing
    i only paid $50 for Ultimate not upgrade either. friend has access to MS
    store. Told me to pay her $50. cool.

    I wish i could have her take vista back to MS store for a refund it sucks so
    bad. I'd get rid of it in a heart beat if i could.



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  3. #3


    Jupiter Jones [MVP] Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    It depends on what reports you read.
    The critics say all is bad while Microsoft suggests all is great.
    Like many things, the true picture is likely somewhere in the middle.

    Dell recently added Windows XP to some models.
    Windows XP has always been available on some Dell models and now there
    are more.
    The critics want to read more into this than is there.

    In the past many OEMs continued with the previous OS for some time
    after the release of the new so Dell and the other OEMs selling
    computers with Windows XP is nothing new.

    Windows XP is a good solid operating system making some less
    interested in upgrading to Windows Vista.
    On the other hand, many believed Windows ME a poor operating system
    and so they quickly jumped to Windows XP.
    Some suggest sales are slower with windows Vista than when Windows XP
    was released over 5 years ago.
    But the above alone can account for significant differences.

    Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
    November and many others have the same experience.
    Most including many critics expect Windows Vista to get better as 3rd
    party support improves.
    Also some expect Service Pack 1 to make Vista better.

    There is no real comparison to Windows ME, but some want others to see
    what does not exist.
    That is one of the myths some seem to want to perpetuate.

    Try Windows Vista for yourself and make up your own mind.
    It seems some of the critics have never tried Windows Vista and just
    like to bash.


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    "DigitalBlade" <Yavor.Mishev@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1177390688.387475.281950@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
    > Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that
    > Vista
    > is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    > and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP...
    > Is
    > that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will
    > not
    > be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    > heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    > going down the Millenium path?



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  4. #4


    Jupiter Jones [MVP] Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    "friend has access to MS store. Told me to pay her $50. cool."
    Don't say that to loud.
    Your friend could be quickly fired for abusing the privilege.
    It has happened in the past.

    Your friend has at least two major violations of Company Store policy.
    She should be very careful if she likes her current employment or what
    ever affiliation gave her the access.

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    http://www.dts-l.org


    "AMD" <s@s.com> wrote in message
    news:ODtoCBjhHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > "DigitalBlade" <Yavor.Mishev@gmail.com> wrote in message Vista
    > currently is extremly buggy. Networking does not work. Media sharing
    > does not work correctly either with connecting and the music folders
    > being listed and playing music in the correct order. the songs are
    > not played in the correct order nor are they listefd in the correct
    > order. So media sharing sucks and is completely broken. It is
    > incompatible with a ton of stuff. Vista computers will a lot of
    > times not boot after you install vista on a home made pc.
    >
    > It maybe should not be related to ME though. It's totally different.
    > I never had problems with Me, but vista sure does not work for me at
    > all. Good thing i only paid $50 for Ultimate not upgrade either.
    > friend has access to MS store. Told me to pay her $50. cool.
    >
    > I wish i could have her take vista back to MS store for a refund it
    > sucks so bad. I'd get rid of it in a heart beat if i could.



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  5. #5


    Frank Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    DigitalBlade wrote:

    > Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
    > is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    > and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
    > that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
    > be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    > heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    > going down the Millenium path?
    >

    Linux crowd FUD and total bs. It's the trash dot linux losers last gasp.
    RIP to them.
    Frank

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  6. #6


    Ace Fekay [MVP] Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    In news:eS6$hIjhHHA.5048@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl,
    Jupiter Jones [MVP] <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> typed:
    > It depends on what reports you read.
    > The critics say all is bad while Microsoft suggests all is great.
    > Like many things, the true picture is likely somewhere in the middle.
    >
    > Dell recently added Windows XP to some models.
    > Windows XP has always been available on some Dell models and now there
    > are more.
    > The critics want to read more into this than is there.
    >
    > In the past many OEMs continued with the previous OS for some time
    > after the release of the new so Dell and the other OEMs selling
    > computers with Windows XP is nothing new.
    >
    > Windows XP is a good solid operating system making some less
    > interested in upgrading to Windows Vista.
    > On the other hand, many believed Windows ME a poor operating system
    > and so they quickly jumped to Windows XP.
    > Some suggest sales are slower with windows Vista than when Windows XP
    > was released over 5 years ago.
    > But the above alone can account for significant differences.
    >
    > Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
    > November and many others have the same experience.
    > Most including many critics expect Windows Vista to get better as 3rd
    > party support improves.
    > Also some expect Service Pack 1 to make Vista better.
    >
    > There is no real comparison to Windows ME, but some want others to see
    > what does not exist.
    > That is one of the myths some seem to want to perpetuate.
    >
    > Try Windows Vista for yourself and make up your own mind.
    > It seems some of the critics have never tried Windows Vista and just
    > like to bash.


    Te latest I heard is an SP3 is coming out for XP. That kind of solidifies my
    belief that XP lifecycle will be extended longer than the comparitive
    lifecycle of NT4 was in regards to Windows 2000 release. If you remember, an
    SP7 was targeted for NT4 near the time of Win2000's release, but was canned.
    IIRC, it was because of 2000's success. So it may seem that XP will hand
    around a bit due to complaints of certain apps not compatible in busineess
    environments. I switched one of my clients to Vista, as well as planning
    others little by little, however we have two clients that we cannot because
    of a payroll app that uses GP (Great Plains) that is not compatible with IE7
    and something else in Vista (it eludes me as this time) therefore, we have
    to stick to XP for those folks.

    I agree with you and must add I guess it depends. Me, I like it, but we must
    ensure compatibility and continued productivity for clients or it is really
    NOT worth the headaches to move ahead only to have to move back to XP to
    keep them working. And if the only problem is IE7 and if it is suggested to
    upgrade GP to a version that does work, management does not want to hear
    they need to dish out a ton of additional moneys to make it work. But if the
    problem is the app and the vendor does not have a version for it, they are
    stuck on XP.


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  7. #7


    Rock Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    "DigitalBlade" <Yavor.Mishev@gmail.com> wrote
    > Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
    > is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    > and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
    > that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
    > be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    > heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    > going down the Millenium path?


    You don't "make" Vista compatible "with this and that". It is the hardware
    manufacturer's responsibility to provide Vista compatible drivers for their
    hardware. In some instances XP drivers work, in others the manufacturer's
    have or are providing Vista compatible drives for legacy hardware and for
    some hardware they are not supporting it. This is no different than when XP
    was released. Some of the manufacturer's have dropped the ball on driver
    development for Vista such as nVidia and Creative, but then Creative has
    always been problematic with their drivers. The bottom line is there is
    nothing new here. The driver picture is getting better, more are coming
    available, but you have to research what hardware you have and and
    compatibility for it. For example I have a NEC laser printer with no Vista
    driver, but then found one of the HP laser jet model Vista drivers worked.

    Software is the same thing. Some XP software will run on Vista, some will
    run with some issues, some needs and update, and some won't.

    I think some of the computer OEMs dropped the ball in getting stable images
    for their new hardware too. We see reports in here of OEM laptops with
    Vista installed with problems right out of the box. This is the fault of
    the computer OEM. They didn't do a good job of creating the hardware
    drivers for it. BIOS is also an issue. We have seen many situations where
    a BIOS upgrade eliminated problems. I think that's one reason why Dell
    increased the number of systems they would sell with XP. Their Vista
    offerings were causing some complaints because they weren't ready. They
    need to get their development act in order.

    On the right hardware, with the right drivers and software Vista runs well.
    There are bugs in Vista, of course, but it's not going away. It will only
    get better, as XP did. Some of the folks who where screaming when XP came
    out that Win98 was the best OS MS ever made, are now screaming the same tune
    about XP. It's funny how quickly time changes perspective, and some just
    like to complain.

    --
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  8. #8


    Doris Day Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

    > It depends on what reports you read.
    > The critics say all is bad while Microsoft suggests all is great.
    > Like many things, the true picture is likely somewhere in the middle.
    >
    > Dell recently added Windows XP to some models.
    > Windows XP has always been available on some Dell models and now there
    > are more.
    > The critics want to read more into this than is there.
    >
    > In the past many OEMs continued with the previous OS for some time
    > after the release of the new so Dell and the other OEMs selling
    > computers with Windows XP is nothing new.
    >
    > Windows XP is a good solid operating system making some less
    > interested in upgrading to Windows Vista.
    > On the other hand, many believed Windows ME a poor operating system
    > and so they quickly jumped to Windows XP.
    > Some suggest sales are slower with windows Vista than when Windows XP
    > was released over 5 years ago.
    > But the above alone can account for significant differences.
    >
    > Windows Vista RTM has worked great for me on two of my computers since
    > November and many others have the same experience.
    > Most including many critics expect Windows Vista to get better as 3rd
    > party support improves.
    > Also some expect Service Pack 1 to make Vista better.
    >
    > There is no real comparison to Windows ME, but some want others to see
    > what does not exist.
    > That is one of the myths some seem to want to perpetuate.
    >
    > Try Windows Vista for yourself and make up your own mind.


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  9. #9


    Sharon Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    Personally I have had no problems with Vista Ultimate which I am using on a
    new custom built PC. OEM Vista. It is a very advanced and sleek OS which I
    find a joy to use. The leap from XP to Vista was well worth it.

    "DigitalBlade" <Yavor.Mishev@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:1177390688.387475.281950@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
    > Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
    > is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    > and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
    > that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
    > be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    > heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    > going down the Millenium path?
    >



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  10. #10


    Frank Guest

    Re: Vista to face the same reputation as Millenium?

    AMD wrote:

    > "DigitalBlade" <Yavor.Mishev@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:1177390688.387475.281950@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
    >
    >>Not to piss anyone off :P, but I just heard someone saying that Vista
    >>is doing pretty bad, it's very hard to make it compatible with this
    >>and that, and manufacturers are thinking of reverting back to XP... Is
    >>that pure B.S. or is there a grain of truth in it? I know XP will not
    >>be offered as an OEM OS starting Jan 2008, which makes this thing I
    >>heard all the harder to believe.... What do you guys think? Is Vista
    >>going down the Millenium path?
    >>

    >
    >
    > Vista currently is extremly buggy. Networking does not work. Media sharing
    > does not work correctly either with connecting and the music folders being
    > listed and playing music in the correct order. the songs are not played in
    > the correct order nor are they listefd in the correct order. So media
    > sharing sucks and is completely broken. It is incompatible with a ton of
    > stuff. Vista computers will a lot of times not boot after you install vista
    > on a home made pc.
    >
    > It maybe should not be related to ME though. It's totally different. I never
    > had problems with Me, but vista sure does not work for me at all. Good thing
    > i only paid $50 for Ultimate not upgrade either. friend has access to MS
    > store. Told me to pay her $50. cool.
    >
    > I wish i could have her take vista back to MS store for a refund it sucks so
    > bad. I'd get rid of it in a heart beat if i could.
    >
    >

    So...you did post your problems here and ask for help right?
    Frank

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