"Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
should."



http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/

From: "Sharon " <milkmailbox88-general@yahoo.com.sg>

| "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
| X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
| the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
| Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
| from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
| should."
|


Thanx for the laugh !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

* Sharon:
> "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
> X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
> the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
> Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
> from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
> should."
>
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/

http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
10 reasons not to get Vista

<quote>
It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the
consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by
all counts is an upgrade you can do without.

There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why not to.

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't
already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no
titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's
no need to yet either.
</quote>

http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm

Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while upgrading to Windows
Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new OS: “We only have a
couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those things that there is no
strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly like, ‘Well, a lot of
the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”

Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far to say that Microsoft
is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10. “Nothing is going to help a
new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95
to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that
by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re really grasping at
straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many
more years without having a problem with it,” he said.

MICHAEL wrote:
>
> * Sharon:
>
>>"Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
>>X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
>>the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
>>Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
>>from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
>>should."
>>
>>http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/
>
>
> http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
> 10 reasons not to get Vista
>
> <quote>
> It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the
> consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by
> all counts is an upgrade you can do without.
>
> There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why not to.
>
> 1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't
> already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no
> titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's
> no need to yet either.
> </quote>
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm
>
> Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while upgrading to Windows
> Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new OS: “We only have a
> couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those things that there is no
> strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly like, ‘Well, a lot of
> the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”
>
> Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far to say that Microsoft
> is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10. “Nothing is going to help a
> new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95
> to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that
> by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re really grasping at
> straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many
> more years without having a problem with it,” he said.
>


C'mon Michael...the only thing you REALLY NEED is a cave, a spear and a
women.
Everything else falls under the category of "I want".
No amount of naying or yahing is going to change that.
DOS was just fine, remember? Green screens, games and all.
How easily we forget! :-D
Vista is here to stay. It is what it is so don't fight it cause it ain't
going away.
Change, any change, for some is a problem.
But for most, they love it!
Frank

* Frank:
> MICHAEL wrote:
>> * Sharon:
>>
>>> "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac OS
>>> X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
>>> the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
>>> Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the switch
>> >from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
>>> should."
>>>
>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/
>>
>> http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
>> 10 reasons not to get Vista
>>
>> <quote>
>> It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine as we approach the
>> consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the second coming, and by
>> all counts is an upgrade you can do without.
>>
>> There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why not to.
>>
>> 1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't
>> already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no
>> titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's
>> no need to yet either.
>> </quote>
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm
>>
>> Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while upgrading to Windows
>> Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new OS: “We only have a
>> couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those things that there is no
>> strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly like, ‘Well, a lot of
>> the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”
>>
>> Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far to say that Microsoft
>> is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10. “Nothing is going to help a
>> new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95
>> to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that
>> by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re really grasping at
>> straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many
>> more years without having a problem with it,” he said.
>>
>
>
> C'mon Michael...the only thing you REALLY NEED is a cave, a spear and a
> women.
> Everything else falls under the category of "I want".
> No amount of naying or yahing is going to change that.
> DOS was just fine, remember? Green screens, games and all.
> How easily we forget! :-D
> Vista is here to stay. It is what it is so don't fight it cause it ain't
> going away.
> Change, any change, for some is a problem.
> But for most, they love it!
> Frank

I haven't fought it, Frank. I've been using it quite regularly since
last June. I have it installed on three computers. But, it ain't all that.
I like it, I certainly don't love it. I personally know folks who don't
love it, either. Perhaps, they'll come to love it. I doubt I will. I've gotten
used to it, but I'm not overly impressed. That's just me. I've always
embraced change, done it head on, and this change really isn't change.
It's just a prettier XP. Unfortunately, I often get the newtech bug and
I'm ready to jump on the newest wing ding or wang dang. There is
absolutely *nothing* revolutionary or even that innovative about Vista.
If that hurts the fanboys' feelings, so be it. Cry, cry, cry, baby.
I can't help them.

Vista is just an operating system- it works, its stable, I can do lots of stuff on it.
But, I'm not doing anything on it that I wasn't already doing on XP.

Oh, of course Vista is here to say, that's sort of foolish to suggest otherwise.
As long as Microsoft has a monopoly, whatever they put out will be what most
folks use. That'll change, not overnight, but change it will.

Take care,

Michael

I don't know about you but I am using Vista Ultimate and it is rocking fun
and sweet to use. I reccommend all my friends to switch over to it, even
those who use an Apple.

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:%23PZ9VOfjHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>
> * Sharon:
>> "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac
>> OS
>> X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
>> the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
>> Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the
>> switch
>> from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
>> should."
>>
>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/
>
> http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
> 10 reasons not to get Vista
>
> <quote>
> It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine
> as we approach the
> consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the
> second coming, and by
> all counts is an upgrade you can do without.
>
> There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why
> not to.
>
> 1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do
> anything you can't
> already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is
> DirextX10, but as no
> titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of
> modern gaming) there's
> no need to yet either.
> </quote>
>
> http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm
>
> Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while
> upgrading to Windows
> Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new
> OS: “We only have a
> couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those
> things that there is no
> strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly
> like, ‘Well, a lot of
> the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”
>
> Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far
> to say that Microsoft
> is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10.
> “Nothing is going to help a
> new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins
> going from Windows 95
> to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re
> artificially doing that
> by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re
> really grasping at
> straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run
> XP for a great many
> more years without having a problem with it,” he said.
>
>

I'm with Michael. I don't think it as new, more like an XP upgrade.

I got Vista Home Basic only because it was the only way to get a new PC,
cheap. Whatever the reason for Vista, the PCs its bundled with have
dropped in price 20% or more, I recently got this laptop for $300 new,
since it wasn't selling with Vista. In the past 4 months since Vista's
release, my PC store has an entire shelf with XP Pro and Home restocked
that they had removed previously to force people to buy Vista.

It gave me the incentive to test it. I've been able to run some really
old software with compatibility mode, albeit most XP, even Win95 software
[ e.g. WSFtp95] run without issue.

Heck, I even run DOS software, despite no one really saying so, in DOS
mode.

I have zero luck with Citrix client though, although there is a Vista
beta out now.



MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in
news:#KgSG7fjHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

>> But for most, they love it!
>> Frank
>
There is absolutely *nothing* revolutionary or
> even that innovative about Vista. If that hurts the fanboys' feelings,
> so be it. Cry, cry, cry, baby. I can't help them.
>
> Vista is just an operating system- it works, its stable, I can do lots
> of stuff on it. But, I'm not doing anything on it that I wasn't
> already doing on XP.
>
> Oh, of course Vista is here to say, that's sort of foolish to suggest
> otherwise. As long as Microsoft has a monopoly, whatever they put out
> will be what most folks use. That'll change, not overnight, but
> change it will.
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael
>

I'm glad you like you, lots of people do.

I don't know about "rocking fun", but as I've said
many times in this group- Vista is stable and solid
for me. I'm not complaining about that.
What are you doing on Vista that you couldn't do
on XP? That's really my only point, and that's why if
someone were to ask me if they should move to Vista,
I would tell them to wait until they need a new computer.
It will be a much better value and they won't have to worry
about possible install issues, or about hardware issues.

Take care,

Michael

* Sharon:
> I don't know about you but I am using Vista Ultimate and it is rocking fun
> and sweet to use. I reccommend all my friends to switch over to it, even
> those who use an Apple.
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:%23PZ9VOfjHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> * Sharon:
>>> "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's Mac
>>> OS
>>> X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged from
>>> the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
>>> Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the
>>> switch
>>> from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
>>> should."
>>>
>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/
>> http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
>> 10 reasons not to get Vista
>>
>> <quote>
>> It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing engine
>> as we approach the
>> consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the
>> second coming, and by
>> all counts is an upgrade you can do without.
>>
>> There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on why
>> not to.
>>
>> 1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do
>> anything you can't
>> already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is
>> DirextX10, but as no
>> titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of
>> modern gaming) there's
>> no need to yet either.
>> </quote>
>>
>> http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm
>>
>> Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while
>> upgrading to Windows
>> Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the new
>> OS: “We only have a
>> couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those
>> things that there is no
>> strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be reluctantly
>> like, ‘Well, a lot of
>> the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”
>>
>> Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as far
>> to say that Microsoft
>> is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10.
>> “Nothing is going to help a
>> new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins
>> going from Windows 95
>> to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re
>> artificially doing that
>> by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re
>> really grasping at
>> straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run
>> XP for a great many
>> more years without having a problem with it,” he said.
>>
>>
>

I'm interested to hear this ?

What in Vista is "Rocking fun" ? If you turn off Aero, is it still rocking
fun ?




"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OuSjKNkjHHA.680@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I'm glad you like you, lots of people do.
>
> I don't know about "rocking fun", but as I've said
> many times in this group- Vista is stable and solid
> for me. I'm not complaining about that.
> What are you doing on Vista that you couldn't do
> on XP? That's really my only point, and that's why if
> someone were to ask me if they should move to Vista,
> I would tell them to wait until they need a new computer.
> It will be a much better value and they won't have to worry
> about possible install issues, or about hardware issues.
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael
>
> * Sharon:
>> I don't know about you but I am using Vista Ultimate and it is rocking
>> fun
>> and sweet to use. I reccommend all my friends to switch over to it, even
>> those who use an Apple.
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23PZ9VOfjHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> * Sharon:
>>>> "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's
>>>> Mac
>>>> OS
>>>> X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged
>>>> from
>>>> the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
>>>> Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the
>>>> switch
>>>> from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
>>>> should."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/
>>> http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
>>> 10 reasons not to get Vista
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing
>>> engine
>>> as we approach the
>>> consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the
>>> second coming, and by
>>> all counts is an upgrade you can do without.
>>>
>>> There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on
>>> why
>>> not to.
>>>
>>> 1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do
>>> anything you can't
>>> already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is
>>> DirextX10, but as no
>>> titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of
>>> modern gaming) there's
>>> no need to yet either.
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm
>>>
>>> Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while
>>> upgrading to Windows
>>> Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the
>>> new
>>> OS: “We only have a
>>> couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those
>>> things that there is no
>>> strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be
>>> reluctantly
>>> like, ‘Well, a lot of
>>> the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”
>>>
>>> Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as
>>> far
>>> to say that Microsoft
>>> is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10.
>>> “Nothing is going to help a
>>> new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins
>>> going from Windows 95
>>> to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re
>>> artificially doing that
>>> by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re
>>> really grasping at
>>> straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could
>>> run
>>> XP for a great many
>>> more years without having a problem with it,” he said.
>>>
>>>
>>

Perhaps, Sharon will enlighten us.

Some users are just easily impressed,
or maybe, some of us are too critical
and our expectations set too high.


-Michael

* Dale White:
> I'm interested to hear this ?
>
> What in Vista is "Rocking fun" ? If you turn off Aero, is it still rocking
> fun ?
>
>
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OuSjKNkjHHA.680@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> I'm glad you like you, lots of people do.
>>
>> I don't know about "rocking fun", but as I've said
>> many times in this group- Vista is stable and solid
>> for me. I'm not complaining about that.
>> What are you doing on Vista that you couldn't do
>> on XP? That's really my only point, and that's why if
>> someone were to ask me if they should move to Vista,
>> I would tell them to wait until they need a new computer.
>> It will be a much better value and they won't have to worry
>> about possible install issues, or about hardware issues.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> * Sharon:
>>> I don't know about you but I am using Vista Ultimate and it is rocking
>>> fun
>>> and sweet to use. I reccommend all my friends to switch over to it, even
>>> those who use an Apple.
>>>
>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23PZ9VOfjHHA.4872@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> * Sharon:
>>>>> "Love it or hate it, you can't ignore Windows Vista. Fans of Apple's
>>>>> Mac
>>>>> OS
>>>>> X will tell you that all of the good bits of Vista have been blagged
>>>>> from
>>>>> the Tribe of Jobs but the fact remains that the vast majority of us use
>>>>> Windows XP so the question is simple, why the hell should we make the
>>>>> switch
>>>>> from Windows XP to Windows Vista? We've got ten solid reasons why you
>>>>> should."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04...date_to_vista/
>>>> http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
>>>> 10 reasons not to get Vista
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> It's all too easy to get caught up in the million dollar marketing
>>>> engine
>>>> as we approach the
>>>> consumer release of Windows Vista, so lets not forget that it isn't the
>>>> second coming, and by
>>>> all counts is an upgrade you can do without.
>>>>
>>>> There are many lists out there on why to get Vista, so here's ours on
>>>> why
>>>> not to.
>>>>
>>>> 1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do
>>>> anything you can't
>>>> already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is
>>>> DirextX10, but as no
>>>> titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of
>>>> modern gaming) there's
>>>> no need to yet either.
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailytech.com/John+Carmac...rticle5665.htm
>>>>
>>>> Those wishing to take the plunge into DX10 will also have to do so while
>>>> upgrading to Windows
>>>> Vista. Carmack, however, isn’t all that excited about upgrading to the
>>>> new
>>>> OS: “We only have a
>>>> couple of people running Vista at our company. It’s again, one of those
>>>> things that there is no
>>>> strong pull for us to go there. If anything, it’s going to be
>>>> reluctantly
>>>> like, ‘Well, a lot of
>>>> the market is there, so we’ll move to Vista.’”
>>>>
>>>> Carmack then said that he’s quite satisfied with Windows XP, going as
>>>> far
>>>> to say that Microsoft
>>>> is ‘artificially’ forcing gamers to move to Windows Vista for DX10.
>>>> “Nothing is going to help a
>>>> new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins
>>>> going from Windows 95
>>>> to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re
>>>> artificially doing that
>>>> by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS ... They’re
>>>> really grasping at
>>>> straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could
>>>> run
>>>> XP for a great many
>>>> more years without having a problem with it,” he said.
>>>>
>>>>
>
>