Vista - Does XP still wipe out Vista's restore points when dual booting?

Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate it's
wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as dualboot?

Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy

* katy:
> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate it's
> wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as dualboot?
>
> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy

No. Don't count on it being fixed, either.


-Michael

No it hasn't.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"katy" <fairytale_4@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:exepi33jHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
> dualboot?
>
> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy

Hi Katy--

It's not a bug in XP. It's not ever going to be fixed, but there are a
number of easy work arounds.

First of all when you dual boot, you rarely would have a need to BOOT to XP.
You can easily make a shortcut to the XP desktop.

Just type in the run box XP Drive\Documents and settings\Katy's XP
Profile\Desktop and drag the icon from the top of the explore window that
creates to your desktop. You then have a shortcut to the XP desktop.

You can use a third party boot manager to hide
Vista's volume from XP, or if you have Vista Ultimate,
you can use BitLocker to protect Vista.

I am pulling this from recent posts from John Barnett and Rock because they
have said it well:

From John Barnett:

"An alternative is, rather than physically dual boot, use a virtual machine
instead. This means allows you to run both Vista and XP (assuming you have
enough memory) on the same partition at the same time. This is the method I
now use. Microsoft's own Virtual PC 2007 is available free (just Google
virtual pc 2007). One downside to VPC 2007 is that it has no USB support,
the last time I used it it also had no sound support for onboard sound. If
you need USB support, as I do because my USB printer doesn't work correctly
with Vista, you would need to look at VMWare WorkStation. Unfortunately, you
do have to pay for this one."


--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows - Shell/User

From Rock:

"This is a known issue. When booting into XP in dual boot scenario, if the
Vista partitions are visible to XP, it will delete all the Vista restore
points, shadow copies and some of the backups created in Visa. XP's
volsnap.sys doesn't recognize the Vista restore points, things there is a
problem and deletes them to protect the system.

Ways around this are to use Bitlocker and encrypt the Vista partition, or
use a 3rd party boot manager that can hide the Vista partitions from XP, or
install each OS on it's own drive or install a removable drive tray in a
spare drive bay, and switch switch drives when you boot."

http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]


CH



"katy" <fairytale_4@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:exepi33jHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
> dualboot?
>
> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy

katy wrote:
> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
> dualboot?
>
> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy

No, this has not been fixed and probably won't be. The workaround is to
use a third-party boot manager that can hide one OS from the other.


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

XP still does it, but it is a Vista Design Flaw that allows this to happen
in the fist place.

We have to put things straight here! Some vistaboys in here say that it XP
that should be updated!

Vista should have been designed in such a way that it should not touch other
OS that were installed.

MS clearly doesn't care about this.... they knew this from beta testing
days.. but they didn't want to put the extra effort to think. I see that as
something that is evident in all aspects of vista. Very little thought put
to it...
that's why it has so many design problems with the gui itself and then other
more technical issues.

Furthermore there is a clash in their claims.. on one side they say we
listen to feedback and we got much feedback during the beta testing, on the
other side, they didn't use any of the feedback but only the ones that they
liked! lol

fiasco and vista now are synonyms.




"katy" <fairytale_4@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:exepi33jHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
> dualboot?
>
> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy

Vista does *not* reach out and touch XP.

WinXP reaches out with volsnap.sys and
slaps Vista's restore points, shadow copies,
and previous version. XP sees those as invalid/corrupt
and deletes them

One more time- Vista does *not* touch XP.
Vista does not do this to XP. XP does this to Vista.

As much as I would like Microsoft to fix this, you
spreading misinformation doesn't help. Get your
facts straight.

-Michael

* Spocks Buddy:
> XP still does it, but it is a Vista Design Flaw that allows this to happen
> in the fist place.
>
> We have to put things straight here! Some vistaboys in here say that it XP
> that should be updated!
>
> Vista should have been designed in such a way that it should not touch other
> OS that were installed.
>
> MS clearly doesn't care about this.... they knew this from beta testing
> days.. but they didn't want to put the extra effort to think. I see that as
> something that is evident in all aspects of vista. Very little thought put
> to it...
> that's why it has so many design problems with the gui itself and then other
> more technical issues.
>
> Furthermore there is a clash in their claims.. on one side they say we
> listen to feedback and we got much feedback during the beta testing, on the
> other side, they didn't use any of the feedback but only the ones that they
> liked! lol
>
> fiasco and vista now are synonyms.
>
>
>
>
> "katy" <fairytale_4@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:exepi33jHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
>> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
>> dualboot?
>>
>> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy
>
>

yes sorry. that is what I meant... This was not intentional misinformation
....

I know the facts very well since I have been using both as dual boot since
beta times.

But vista should have been designed so that xp could not harm its restore
points.

This is my point and it stands. Its a vista design flaw.


"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OcbNzI4jHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Vista does *not* reach out and touch XP.
>
> WinXP reaches out with volsnap.sys and
> slaps Vista's restore points, shadow copies,
> and previous version. XP sees those as invalid/corrupt
> and deletes them
>
> One more time- Vista does *not* touch XP.
> Vista does not do this to XP. XP does this to Vista.
>
> As much as I would like Microsoft to fix this, you
> spreading misinformation doesn't help. Get your
> facts straight.
>
> -Michael
>
> * Spocks Buddy:
>> XP still does it, but it is a Vista Design Flaw that allows this to
>> happen
>> in the fist place.
>>
>> We have to put things straight here! Some vistaboys in here say that it
>> XP
>> that should be updated!
>>
>> Vista should have been designed in such a way that it should not touch
>> other
>> OS that were installed.
>>
>> MS clearly doesn't care about this.... they knew this from beta testing
>> days.. but they didn't want to put the extra effort to think. I see that
>> as
>> something that is evident in all aspects of vista. Very little thought
>> put
>> to it...
>> that's why it has so many design problems with the gui itself and then
>> other
>> more technical issues.
>>
>> Furthermore there is a clash in their claims.. on one side they say we
>> listen to feedback and we got much feedback during the beta testing, on
>> the
>> other side, they didn't use any of the feedback but only the ones that
>> they
>> liked! lol
>>
>> fiasco and vista now are synonyms.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "katy" <fairytale_4@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:exepi33jHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
>>> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
>>> dualboot?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy
>>
>>

Spocks Buddy wrote:


> This is my point and it stands. Its a vista design flaw.
>

Are you deaf, dumb or both? Apparently you're both...and you're an idiot
to boot!
Do yourself a favor and get an old RR typewriter (no ribbons allowed!).
Then type and post your thoughts.
That will make everyone extremely happy!
Frank

What do you expect an operating system that's not
running, do to protect itself? I could go right now
to my D: drive where XP is and format it. XP is not
running and could not stop me. Once you boot to
XP, XP is in control, and Vista has no say so cause it's
*not* running. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

It's an XP flaw, not a Vista flaw.


-Michael

* Spocks Buddy:
> yes sorry. that is what I meant... This was not intentional misinformation
> ...
>
> I know the facts very well since I have been using both as dual boot since
> beta times.
>
> But vista should have been designed so that xp could not harm its restore
> points.
>
> This is my point and it stands. Its a vista design flaw.
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OcbNzI4jHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Vista does *not* reach out and touch XP.
>>
>> WinXP reaches out with volsnap.sys and
>> slaps Vista's restore points, shadow copies,
>> and previous version. XP sees those as invalid/corrupt
>> and deletes them
>>
>> One more time- Vista does *not* touch XP.
>> Vista does not do this to XP. XP does this to Vista.
>>
>> As much as I would like Microsoft to fix this, you
>> spreading misinformation doesn't help. Get your
>> facts straight.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> * Spocks Buddy:
>>> XP still does it, but it is a Vista Design Flaw that allows this to
>>> happen
>>> in the fist place.
>>>
>>> We have to put things straight here! Some vistaboys in here say that it
>>> XP
>>> that should be updated!
>>>
>>> Vista should have been designed in such a way that it should not touch
>>> other
>>> OS that were installed.
>>>
>>> MS clearly doesn't care about this.... they knew this from beta testing
>>> days.. but they didn't want to put the extra effort to think. I see that
>>> as
>>> something that is evident in all aspects of vista. Very little thought
>>> put
>>> to it...
>>> that's why it has so many design problems with the gui itself and then
>>> other
>>> more technical issues.
>>>
>>> Furthermore there is a clash in their claims.. on one side they say we
>>> listen to feedback and we got much feedback during the beta testing, on
>>> the
>>> other side, they didn't use any of the feedback but only the ones that
>>> they
>>> liked! lol
>>>
>>> fiasco and vista now are synonyms.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "katy" <fairytale_4@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:exepi33jHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi All, I was wondering if this bug has been fixed in XP, to eliminate
>>>> it's wiping out Vista's restore points when the 2 OS's are set up as
>>>> dualboot?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any links or thoughts.......... katy
>>>
>
>